This creation is not only created by God for His entertainment, but also for the entertainment of souls....

[dattaswami]

EACH SOUL DEVELOPS ITS OWN DIRECTION BASED ON FREE WILL GIVEN BY GOD

1) Respected Swamiji,

Namaste, Kindly clarify the following question,

There are many scientific inventions. A few are path breaking and have immensely benefited the world. But others are mediocre in quality and are not useful/have failed. Some have actually been harmful to humanity. Also, many inventions have only promoted sensory enjoyment largely and are leading people to waste a lot of time.

In view of above, kindly clarify if the statement "vijnanam yetad sarvam janaardhnath" should apply only to path breaking inventions that have benefited mankind? Sincerely, Balaji

Swami replied: The scientific logic leading to inventions is blessed by God. Hence, the energy required for a scientific process and the resulting discovery are certainly due to the grace of God (Janaardhana) only. The application of the discovery is the direction of the invention in the further journey. This direction is due to the psychology of human being. Matter is a form of energy and matter can be converted into energy. The equation of this principle given by Einstein is due to grace of God. But, the huge energy released in such conversion can be used as power of the light and the energy used for computer, which are useful in the spiritual effort. The same energy can be misused in the form of atom bomb. The horse is the vehicle for your journey. But, using the horse, whether you are traveling to a forest to be robbed by thieves or traveling to the house of a friend in the city depends upon the direction of your free will.

If you go to a forest, you are robbed. If you go the city, you are honored by your friend. The horse is one and the same for both purposes. But, the resulting directions ending in different fruits are based on your psychology developed due to your freedom of will. This freedom is given to all souls and each soul develops its own direction based on the freedom of will given by God to the souls in this world. This world is called as karma loka or world of doing actions as per the freedom of the will of a soul (svabhaavastu pravartate… Gita). The upper worlds like hell and heaven are called as bhoga lokas or places for enjoying the fruits of past deeds without any freedom of the will. You cannot blame God for giving such free will to souls in this world because due to this free will, all souls are not spoiled.

In spite of this freedom of will, there are several souls, which are benefited much. If you remove this freedom of will from this world, there is no real enjoyment of the fruits resulting from actions based on free will. This creation is not only created by God for His entertainment, but also for the entertainment of souls. Hence, the present system of actions yielding corresponding fruits (there is no freedom for you to change the fruit of a specific action) having freedom in selecting a specific action is a mixture of hot and sweet for entertainment. If you put finger in fire, it will burn. If you put your finger in water, it will be cool.

There is no freedom for you to change the specific fruit of a specific action. But, there is full freedom for you to put your finger in fire or water. If this freedom is also absent, the souls become inert robots only. In such case, God has to enjoy the good or bad fruits of all actions. In the present system, God does not enjoy the fruit of any action done by you. God is completely free from the blame since He propagated the right knowledge of fire and water from the beginning of the creation. Therefore, release of energy from matter is by God and the direction in which the energy is used (karma) and enjoyment of its destined fruit (bhoga) goes to the soul only.

Hence, God is doer (karta) and enjoyer (bhokta) up to the first stage of release of energy from matter. The same God is entertained (bhokta) by this first step only. From the second step onwards (process of using the released energy), the soul is doer (karta) and enjoyer (bhokta) of use of energy. You cannot fix God as doer and enjoyer for both the steps. You are only responsible for your good and bad deeds for which heaven and hell are related places respectively. Hence, the use of energy (karma) and its enjoyment (bhoga) are totally related to you only. Energy, in the form of electricity, was used in ancient India, which was called as vaidyutaagni.
The same energy was also used as atom bomb in ancient India, which was called as Brahmaastra. In the Mahabharata war, the atom bomb (Brahmaastra) was used and its full description along with all the posterior effects (as observed in Hiroshima) were clearly explained. In that ancient time, when this weapon was given to disciples, several controlling instructions were given side by side. Due to the background of vast spiritual knowledge, this weapon was almost out of use.

In the present time, due to lack of such vast spiritual knowledge, controlling psychology is almost absent. Even in Mahabharata war, it was misused due to defective psychology. Similarly, whether the computer is used for spiritual work or at least for the development of technology in the worldly benefits of humanity or whether the computer is used for doing cyber crimes or used in useless entertainments, it depends upon the attitudes and psychology of human beings in the absence of lack of stress on the spiritual knowledge in the present system of education. Hence, God is used as a vehicle only. The process of the direction of its use (path) and its fruit depends upon the driver (human being) of the vehicle. The Veda says that God is used as the vehicle (abadhnan purusham pashum). The word ‘pashu’ here means an animal like horse used as vehicle in the journey. Thus, God is limited to the energy of the action (kriyaa shakti) only and is not related to the direction of the action or enjoyment of its fruit.

Percentage of Charitable Part Not Depends on Magnitude of Total Wealth

2) Namaste Swamiji, Kindly explain on following topic,

To a comment made by me to my colleagues "Indians should learn lack of corruption and charity from the westerners", they replied as follows. "The west today is corruption free and charitable since they have looted the 3rd world countries for centuries of their natural resources. The west was not that charitable when their country was itself poor. Further the west has committed many crimes against humanity like slavery, driving away natives from America and death of many people in the 2 world wars, nuclear bomb etc. India's problem of corruption and lack of charity is due to basic needs not met because of looting by the British." Sincerely, Balaji

Swami replied: The main aspect is about corruption and not about the place where corruption is taking place. For God, all the countries are one and the same and all the humanity is also one and the same because the entire earth and the entire humanity were created by Him only. God differentiates people by their psychologies only and not by their nativity. Good is good in any country and in the case of any human being. Similarly, bad is bad in any country and in the case of any human being. In My opinion, both good and bad people exist in every country, in every religion, in every caste and in both genders. Corruption is a sin whether it is taking place in India or in Western country. In the past, if the Western country looted India, it was also a sin in total sense. But, the point here is that all the Western people did not loot all Indians. Assuming that such looting took place, only some bad Western people looted some good Indians and by this, we should not generalize that West (all Western people) looted India (all Indians). We are also not sure whether the Western country was originally very poor and became rich only by looting India or the Western country was already rich by natural resources blessed by God.

The attitude of charity depends on one’s own mentality and not on the wealth possessed by a specific human being. The charity done is proportional to devotion in which the percentage of charitable share is the main point and not the magnitude of the share allotted for charity. If a person is the owner of 100 rupees, 10% of his total wealth is 10 rupees. If another person is owner of 1000 rupees, 10% of his total wealth is 100 rupees. The first person donating 10 rupees and the second person donating 100 rupees are equal because the percentage of charity is one and the same. Magnitude of the share used in charity is not at all important. Jesus told that a beggar owning 1 rupee and donating the same to God is the highest donor than others donating hundreds of rupees, who were the owners of lakhs of rupees. That 1 rupee donated by a beggar stood as more valuable than hundreds of rupees donated by rich people. Hence, charity does not depend on the magnitude but depends upon the percentage of the part that is donated to God. Hence, the quality of charity to God depends upon the magnitude of the devotion to God and does not depend upon the magnitude of the total wealth possessed by that person or the magnitude of the share donated to God.

The magnitude of the devotion to God is related to the percentage of the charity done for God. The magnitude of the charitable part is immaterial. India might have been looted by foreigners, but whether the looting was to such extent so that the richest India became poorest due to such looting – is a point to be correctly examined and estimated from the actual history. Another point is that whether India was richest and Western country was poorest originally by way of natural resources blessed by God and both the countries were reversed since India was totally looted by a Western country. Even then, the quality of charity to God is based on the quality and quantity of the devotion of a devotee and not on the magnitude of wealth as explained by your friends.

The reason is that the percentage of the charitable part does not depend upon the magnitude of the total wealth. In fact, it is generally observed that the percentage of charity is least when the magnitude of total wealth is highest. More charity is observed in poor people (by way of percentage of charity) than rich people (not by way of magnitude of donated share). Jesus told that a camel may go through the eye of a needle, but a rich man can’t get salvation! When a rich man approached Jesus for divine service, Jesus told him to donate all his wealth and then come for divine service. The rich man went away and was never seen again! Jesus appreciated and announced that the highest charity is one rupee donated by the beggar since the percentage of charity was 100 percent!

3) Nidhi Ware requested Your answer - What are the scientific reasons for Hindu traditions?

Swami replied: In every religion, both good (having scientific reason) and bad (unscientific and blindly forced) traditions exist. In any religion, both good and bad followers exist. Tradition was never created by God. Only followers, who are human beings, alone create traditions. To err is human. A tradition is not a miracle of God. A miracle cannot be explained by science. Tradition is the practical application of a concept of spiritual knowledge given by God. If the spiritual concept is correctly and clearly understood, the practical application of it called as tradition is always good and scientific. If it is misunderstood, the tradition is bad and unscientific. Hence, to say whether a specific tradition of a specific religion is good (scientific) or bad (unscientific), you have to mention the specific tradition for doing intensive and systematic analysis. Assuming that all traditions of a specific religion are good and scientific – is not correct. It is blind fanatic and conservative ignorance to say that all traditions of a specific religion are good and scientific or to say bad and unscientific.

Science means systematic and intensive logical analysis. Since you have asked about Hinduism, I can mention a bad tradition and a good tradition as examples. Reciting the scripture (the Veda) blindly without knowing its meaning in a ritual is unscientific and bad tradition, especially, when the meaning of the word the Veda itself is knowledge! Worshiping idols in human form is a good tradition because development of theoretical devotion to human form of God is introduced as a preliminary training. Straight worship of human form of God is difficult due to the natural ego and jealousy present in almost all the human beings. Theory is the source of practice. Theory is developed by idols and photos whereas the subsequent practice is applied to the actual human forms of God. Hence, the idol worship need not be criticized as meaningless service done to the inert objects. You should not criticize the wastage of bullets in shooting the inert targets during the training period before the soldier enters the war to fight with alive enemies. This is a good tradition of Hinduism.

[Iwannaplato]

So, God/We couldn't come up with entertainment that didn't include the raping of small children?

[dattaswami]

So, God/We couldn't come up with entertainment that didn't include the raping of small children?

Any illness can be cured by the omnipotent God. But God is also omniscient. The sin is excused only if there is a real reformation in the soul. Real reformation is practically proved through the non-repetition of the sin. The omniscient God must be thoroughly convinced that the soul is truly reformed. You can deceive a human being by acting as if you have reformed by weeping, crying, singing devotional songs and so on. But all these pretenses (actings) are useless before God. He can never be convinced by such false actions and false words of repentance. If there is a real reformation in the soul, all these dramatic actions are not necessary for God.

The real reformation of the soul is immediately recognized by God and the sins are excused by Him because there is no need for further punishment once real reformation has been achieved. If God is convinced in the case of a particular soul, it means that the soul must have truly reformed. Such a soul alone will not repeat the sins in the future.

A mentally retarded patient is a condemned soul in the view of God. It means that God does not have the slightest hope that the soul will get reformed. Such a soul undergoes punishment throughout his or her life. Such long and endless suffering is intended to reform the soul unconsciously. Reformation is possible in such a soul in the form of an aversion developed to the punishment. This strongly-impressed aversion to the suffering may prevent the soul from committing sins in the next birth when the soul is given a normal life.

So, in view of the prevention of sinful behavior in the future birth, the soul’s continuous suffering in this birth is helpful. Also, sometimes, the kith and kin of such a soul might sincerely pray to God. As a result, the soul might attain a healthier state in which the soul can get reformed. The omniscient God knows very well which souls have some possibility of getting reformed and which souls do not. Souls with absolutely no hope of reformation will be born as a mentally retarded animal, like a mad dog.

All these are ‘administrative details’ regarding how the various cases of souls are handled. Each soul has performed different types of good and bad deeds. Knowing exactly how each case is handled is unnecessary for us. All we need to understand is that God is the best judge and the best administrator. He always helps each and every soul in the best-possible way. Only when the administrator is a human being, is there a need for analyzing the person’s way of administration.

The person might err in his or her way of administration, in which case, we could suggest a better way. That is why even a country’s constitution, which is framed by human beings, often gets amended. Through such amendments, errors get rectified. But there is not the slightest possibility of even a trace of error in the divine constitution. So, there is no point in breaking our heads on these issues, which are being administered in the most meritorious way.

God is not only omnipotent and omniscient, but He is also an infinite ocean of kindness. He is the divine Father of all souls. He must have chosen the kindest-possible way to save any soul. All of us are mere brothers or sisters to our neighboring souls but God is the Father of all souls (Ahaṁ bījapradaḥ pitā—Gita). A father is always far kinder to his child than the brothers and sisters of the child. From all these angles, it is far far better to leave the administration and reformation of other souls to God. Instead, we need to concentrate on our own reformation. This is an extremely important point which every soul in this world should understand. Our focus should be on recognizing our own defects and reforming ourselves. This is the best and wisest path.

The Divine Father is taking the best care of each soul. Even the punishments given by God here on earth and hereafter in hell, only indicate His anxiety to reform the sinful soul, which is His child. Hell is the reflection of God’s highest kindness, which helps in reforming souls. Hell is not the reflection of His anger or desire for revenge. If we understand this very subtle point, we will be very peaceful about things taking place in this world. There is no error taking place in the divine administration. Everything taking place in this world is the result of the most perfect working of God’s wonderful administration. No soul can even dream of running the world in a better way than the way it is being run. It is our utter ignorance that causes us to misunderstand God and stray (stay) away from the path of self-purification.

We are ignorant of the deeds of other souls. We are ignorant of the most wonderful divine administration working in the background. We are ignorant of God’s supreme talents and capabilities in administering and reforming souls. Above all, we are ignorant of the supreme kindness of God towards all souls.

We are worried about things, about which we need not be worried at all! People were worried about Jesus when He was carrying the cross. He told them not to worry about Him. He was under the direct supervision of the kindest Lord. Instead, He told them to worry about themselves and their children. He might have suffered for a few hours, but He was going to sit forever on the right lap of the Divine Father! These people, who were worried about Him, might be living happily on earth for a little while, but they were going to be thrown into the liquid fire forever along with their future generations! So, who should be worried? The spectators or Jesus?

A person may finish off the punishment of his or her sin by suffering for it here. The person may then get a wonderful new divine birth in the immediate future. Another person, who is wasting his time in sympathizing with this suffering person, instead of focusing on his own reformation, may finally get thrown into the liquid fire forever! Hence, it is always advisable to focus on self-rectification than unnecessarily wasting time in investigating and judging God’s administration of this world.






- By Shri Datta Swami


www.universal-spirituality[.]org

Universal Spirituality for World Peace

[Iwannaplato]

Your thread was tittled

This creation is not only created by God for His entertainment, but also for the entertainment of souls....

I asked about why it wasn't possible to entertain ourselves or for God to create a scenario where there is entertainment and no child rape, for example.
I don't think your post addressed this. You took up the issue of punishment. Why would a universe that is made to entertain an all powerful deity need to include child rape?
And how do you know they deserve it?
And imagine how your certainty that in some way they must have needed that rape would feel to them or anyone else who went through something horrible

[dattaswami]

Your thread was tittled

This creation is not only created by God for His entertainment, but also for the entertainment of souls....

I asked about why it wasn't possible to entertain ourselves or for God to create a scenario where there is entertainment and no child rape, for example.
I don't think your post addressed this. You took up the issue of punishment. Why would a universe that is made to entertain an all powerful deity need to include child rape?
And how do you know they deserve it?
And imagine how your certainty that in some way they must have needed that rape would feel to them or anyone else who went through something horrible

We shall not criticize God for creating the world for His entertainment. He has not created this world for getting any entertainment from the suffering of souls like a sadist. The reason is that we are responsible for our suffering.

If the entertainment of somebody goes on without any injustice, such entertainment can’t be criticized. A rich person, starting a college to pass on his time in good path, started an institution. He maintained the institution with utmost justice and lack of trace of injustice. A few students failed because of their negligence to studies. These students criticized the rich man for starting the institution, in absence of which, such critical situation would not have come to them! The entertainment of God is not as cheap as playing chess etc., as observed in souls. His entertainment is very pious and in very high level. His entertainment is only to experience the devotion of top level devotees in the creation.



An ordinary man is entertained by several useless and cheap items. The entertainment of God is not for such cheap items just to kill the time. God is beyond time and need not kill it. If you observe this creation carefully, every soul is giving highest value for the concept of love. The enjoyment of pure love proved by various tests is the climax of entertainment and nothing is equal to this. Every soul obtains the maximum climax of happiness only in love. When such love is real as proved by severe tests, the happiness of the soul reaches its climax and this is called as a specific bliss.

Hence, the sole purpose of this creation is to enjoy this specific bliss. God has already this variety of bliss. But, when this type of bliss comes in a scene showing devotees proving their real love to God, the bliss is really enjoyable. For such scene, God alone is not sufficient. Something and somebody other than God also must exist. God is not entertained because of not having such bliss expressed in a scene containing multiplicity of items like various entities of creation and various souls. A soul like Radha is required to prove such real and extraordinary love to God. Such proof comes only when other souls opposing Radha also exist as the required components of the scene. In such multiple creation only, the proof of the real love can be expressed causing the unique bliss.

Bliss without creation exists in God before this creation. Same bliss in the light of the scene of creation looks as a different bliss. It is another variety of bliss. Hence, we can say that God was fond of this specific variety of bliss for entertainment. Such bliss is not possible if God is alone. Apart from souls, inert materials are also required. For example, Gopikas are the several souls and the inert materials are milk, curd and butter. Both inert and non-inert items are required for this entire drama. Therefore, God wished for a second thing, which at once is materialized (sa dvitiyamaichchat... Veda). This second item is the cosmic energy that took various forms like matter, awareness etc., resulting in various inert materials and living beings. This second item itself is multiplied into various forms. Hence, second item means the cosmic energy that transformed into multiple items only, which form this creation.

[Harbal]

kindly clarify if the statement "vijnanam yetad sarvam janaardhnath" should apply only to path breaking inventions that have benefited mankind?

According to my online translator, that means, "yes, we have no bananas".

[Iwannaplato]

We shall not criticize God for creating the world for His entertainment.

I don't know who 'we' is in that sentence, but I shall if it is warrented. However I don't think God created the universe for his entertainment. That was your thought. My criticism of such a deity would be that his ability to create seems limited, in that he made a universe with things like child rape in it. You seem comfortable blaming the children. Oh, they must have done something in a past life to deserve being raped - that's the best solution God could come up with. No. I think this is cowardice on your part. Instead of feeling fear that God could allow something so horrible, you assume that the children deserve to be rapes.

If the entertainment of somebody goes on without any injustice, such entertainment can’t be criticized. A rich person, starting a college to pass on his time in good path, started an institution. He maintained the institution with utmost justice and lack of trace of injustice. A few students failed because of their negligence to studies

And so the rich person had them raped.

These students criticized the rich man for starting the institution, in absence of which, such critical situation would not have come to them! The entertainment of God is not as cheap as playing chess etc., as observed in souls. His entertainment is very pious and in very high level. His entertainment is only to experience the devotion of top level devotees in the creation.

And he could only manage to how this select group of worshippers in a universe that has children raped, children killed in the womb by landslides that God could have prevented, innocent people killed or held in basements to be sexually abused and so on. What deity could be so lacking in creativity that this was the best possible world he or she could create?

An ordinary man is entertained by several useless and cheap items. The entertainment of God is not for such cheap items just to kill the time. God is beyond time and need not kill it. If you observe this creation carefully, every soul is giving highest value for the concept of love. The enjoyment of pure love proved by various tests is the climax of entertainment and nothing is equal to this. Every soul obtains the maximum climax of happiness only in love. When such love is real as proved by severe tests, the happiness of the soul reaches its climax and this is called as a specific bliss.

There has to be a shorter way to get to the climax of bliss than being raped as a child. And those rapes have a tendency to lead to future violence by those victims. Not all, but a percentage.

Your version of God is like some quack Toronto psychologist treating people with massive electroshock, insulin shock and psychodelics.

Hence, the sole purpose of this creation is to enjoy this specific bliss. God has already this variety of bliss.

Then he didn't need a universe for his entertainment.

[dattaswami]

I don't know who 'we' is in that sentence, but I shall if it is warrented. However I don't think God created the universe for his entertainment. That was your thought. My criticism of such a deity would be that his ability to create seems limited, in that he made a universe with things like child rape in it. You seem comfortable blaming the children. Oh, they must have done something in a past life to deserve being raped - that's the best solution God could come up with. No. I think this is cowardice on your part. Instead of feeling fear that God could allow something so horrible, you assume that the children deserve to be rapes.

God created the souls for His entertainment and in this there is no trace of doubt. But, at the same time, justice was always supported and injustice was always destroyed by Him. Based on this merit, the souls can’t find fault or blame God in any angle.

Some people criticize God by saying that God is entertained by creation while the souls are suffering a lot in this creation. They say that their suffering is giving entertainment to God and hence, God is a sadist. In this way, these people say that sadism of God is the ultimate aim of this creation. This is totally wrong. A sadist makes others suffer and then derives enjoyment from their suffering. But, in creation, souls are responsible for their suffering and not God at all.

In fact, in the beginning of creation, almost all the souls were like robots following God’s will in every action. But, in course of time, the souls got bored with the strict discipline and hence, God gave full free will to the souls. Yet, God took every care to instruct the souls through scriptures and through incarnations to preach justice by which any soul can be with full happiness. In view of this, God is not at all responsible for the suffering of the souls and the souls are totally responsible for their suffering. Hence, this type of blame of God is not acceptable at all.


A rich person started an educational institution since he wanted to spend his leisure time. A student failed in the examinations and committed suicide. The parents of the student filed a case against the rich person blaming that the rich person is responsible for the suicide of their issue. Their argument was that the rich person wanted to spend his leisure time and such effort made the student to lose his life. This would have been meaningful if all the students failed in the examinations.

Several passed with excellent grades and only very few failed. If the system of teaching arranged by the management is faulty, all the students would have failed. Hence, this means that the defect is not in the system of administration of the college, but, is in the student himself. Similarly, since there are many souls, who have got liberation, the defect is not in the aim or administration of God, but the defect is in some souls only. Hence, assuming that God has created this creation just for time pass, even then, you can’t find fault with God because the administration is perfect. The time pass of the rich man or God is not affecting the administration. You can’t blame the factor of time pass also since it is not affecting the system anywhere.

[Iwannaplato]

God created the souls for His entertainment and in this there is no trace of doubt.

That's a very Hindu version. It's not the Buddhist view, generally. It is not the Christian view nor the Muslim view. You may have no doubt, but using a passive construction 'there is no doubt' is not accurate.

But, at the same time, justice was always supported and injustice was always destroyed by Him. Based on this merit, the souls can’t find fault or blame God in any angle.

Again you are confusing your certainty with what others feel or can do and also with objectivity.

Some people criticize God by saying that God is entertained by creation while the souls are suffering a lot in this creation. They say that their suffering is giving entertainment to God and hence, God is a sadist. In this way, these people say that sadism of God is the ultimate aim of this creation. This is totally wrong. A sadist makes others suffer and then derives enjoyment from their suffering. But, in creation, souls are responsible for their suffering and not God at all.

So, those who die in plagues, avalanches, childhood brain tumors, starvation...they are all responsible for their own pain.

Note: I am not saying that God is a sadist. I am saying that your explanation is absurd. There is a difference. You are quick to assume what I must believe if I am critical of your beliefs. But I can see the conundrum for you.

It is clear that you think that the only possibilities are
God is a sadist
or
When people suffer it is their own fault.

So, I can see why you cling to the latter explanation, because it would be terrifying if God were a sadist.

Those are not the only possibilities and I wish you had the courage to feel your fears and assumptions here.

In fact, in the beginning of creation, almost all the souls were like robots following God’s will in every action. But, in course of time, the souls got bored with the strict discipline and hence, God gave full free will to the souls.

So, was his first version a mistake. Couldn't he have just made them happy with their lot or created beings that enjoyed being told what to do. There are many of these kinds of people alive today.

Yet, God took every care to instruct the souls through scriptures and through incarnations to preach justice by which any soul can be with full happiness. In view of this, God is not at all responsible for the suffering of the souls and the souls are totally responsible for their suffering. Hence, this type of blame of God is not acceptable at all.

God is responsible for a situation in which someone can suffer immensely. God is responsible, in your model, for a situation in which scriptures will not reach some people. They haven't reached many, many people alive in places where scriptures did not reach. Why, if scriptures are so important, did God not make sure they reached every tribe and hermit?

A rich person started an educational institution since he wanted to spend his leisure time. A student failed in the examinations and committed suicide. The parents of the student filed a case against the rich person blaming that the rich person is responsible for the suicide of their issue. Their argument was that the rich person wanted to spend his leisure time and such effort made the student to lose his life. This would have been meaningful if all the students failed in the examinations.

God could have made birth painless. He could have shaped the human body, the female one, so that when the child came out, it did not hurt. In fact a friend of my mother actually found birth physically pleasurable, but she is an extreme exception.

Several passed with excellent grades and only very few failed. If the system of teaching arranged by the management is faulty, all the students would have failed.

This is God we are talking about. If he couldn't make a better university, then there is some limit on his powers. He couldn't manage to make one in which all pass.

Hence, this means that the defect is not in the system of administration of the college, but, is in the student himself.

This argument could be and I am sure has been used by universities and other institutions that did not live up to standards they should have. Your defense of God allowing suffering parallels exactly the defense the supports of tyrants use when citizens are tortured, imprisoned and killed.
They must have done something wrong. Your argument carries no weight.

If you think this means I think God must be evil, you are making assumptions again.
If you think I don't believe in God, you are making assumptions again.

When will traditional religious people stop blaming innocent people for what they suffer?

You might as well say to the raped woman that she brought the rape onto herself.
In fact you have essentially said so, but about children.

Similarly, since there are many souls, who have got liberation, the defect is not in the aim or administration of God, but the defect is in some souls only. Hence, assuming that God has created this creation just for time pass, even then, you can’t find fault with God because the administration is perfect. The time pass of the rich man or God is not affecting the administration. You can’t blame the factor of time pass also since it is not affecting the system anywhere.

Perfect. This is exactly what tyrants say to people who suffer under abusive regimes. They point to the few peasants who thrived and say, see, you all could have done well, but you didn't, so the problem is only with you.

And this is because you can only see two possibilities
either God is a sadist
or
we are to blame for our suffering.

And this limited view pours out of ashrams and other 'spiritual' centers, blaming victims and subtley and not so subtly adding to the suffering of the world.

[dattaswami]

God created the souls for His entertainment and in this there is no trace of doubt.

That's a very Hindu version. It's not the Buddhist view, generally. It is not the Christian view nor the Muslim view. You may have no doubt, but using a passive construction 'there is no doubt' is not accurate.

But, at the same time, justice was always supported and injustice was always destroyed by Him. Based on this merit, the souls can’t find fault or blame God in any angle.

Again you are confusing your certainty with what others feel or can do and also with objectivity.

Some people criticize God by saying that God is entertained by creation while the souls are suffering a lot in this creation. They say that their suffering is giving entertainment to God and hence, God is a sadist. In this way, these people say that sadism of God is the ultimate aim of this creation. This is totally wrong. A sadist makes others suffer and then derives enjoyment from their suffering. But, in creation, souls are responsible for their suffering and not God at all.

So, those who die in plagues, avalanches, childhood brain tumors, starvation...they are all responsible for their own pain.

Note: I am not saying that God is a sadist. I am saying that your explanation is absurd. There is a difference. You are quick to assume what I must believe if I am critical of your beliefs. But I can see the conundrum for you.

It is clear that you think that the only possibilities are
God is a sadist
or
When people suffer it is their own fault.

So, I can see why you cling to the latter explanation, because it would be terrifying if God were a sadist.

Those are not the only possibilities and I wish you had the courage to feel your fears and assumptions here.

In fact, in the beginning of creation, almost all the souls were like robots following God’s will in every action. But, in course of time, the souls got bored with the strict discipline and hence, God gave full free will to the souls.

So, was his first version a mistake. Couldn't he have just made them happy with their lot or created beings that enjoyed being told what to do. There are many of these kinds of people alive today.

Yet, God took every care to instruct the souls through scriptures and through incarnations to preach justice by which any soul can be with full happiness. In view of this, God is not at all responsible for the suffering of the souls and the souls are totally responsible for their suffering. Hence, this type of blame of God is not acceptable at all.

God is responsible for a situation in which someone can suffer immensely. God is responsible, in your model, for a situation in which scriptures will not reach some people. They haven't reached many, many people alive in places where scriptures did not reach. Why, if scriptures are so important, did God not make sure they reached every tribe and hermit?

A rich person started an educational institution since he wanted to spend his leisure time. A student failed in the examinations and committed suicide. The parents of the student filed a case against the rich person blaming that the rich person is responsible for the suicide of their issue. Their argument was that the rich person wanted to spend his leisure time and such effort made the student to lose his life. This would have been meaningful if all the students failed in the examinations.

God could have made birth painless. He could have shaped the human body, the female one, so that when the child came out, it did not hurt. In fact a friend of my mother actually found birth physically pleasurable, but she is an extreme exception.

Several passed with excellent grades and only very few failed. If the system of teaching arranged by the management is faulty, all the students would have failed.

This is God we are talking about. If he couldn't make a better university, then there is some limit on his powers. He couldn't manage to make one in which all pass.

Hence, this means that the defect is not in the system of administration of the college, but, is in the student himself.

This argument could be and I am sure has been used by universities and other institutions that did not live up to standards they should have. Your defense of God allowing suffering parallels exactly the defense the supports of tyrants use when citizens are tortured, imprisoned and killed.
They must have done something wrong. Your argument carries no weight.

If you think this means I think God must be evil, you are making assumptions again.
If you think I don't believe in God, you are making assumptions again.

When will traditional religious people stop blaming innocent people for what they suffer?

You might as well say to the raped woman that she brought the rape onto herself.
In fact you have essentially said so, but about children.

Similarly, since there are many souls, who have got liberation, the defect is not in the aim or administration of God, but the defect is in some souls only. Hence, assuming that God has created this creation just for time pass, even then, you can’t find fault with God because the administration is perfect. The time pass of the rich man or God is not affecting the administration. You can’t blame the factor of time pass also since it is not affecting the system anywhere.

Perfect. This is exactly what tyrants say to people who suffer under abusive regimes. They point to the few peasants who thrived and say, see, you all could have done well, but you didn't, so the problem is only with you.

And this is because you can only see two possibilities
either God is a sadist
or
we are to blame for our suffering.

And this limited view pours out of ashrams and other 'spiritual' centers, blaming victims and subtley and not so subtly adding to the suffering of the world.

Never say that everything happens as per will of God. It is true, but, the direction of everything is as per your will only, which decides the fruit. Freedom is given to soul to decide the direction of any action. Hence, you are responsible for everything as I am not responsible for any fruit attained by you. You should not throw responsibility on the cycle of deeds (karma) also. Your past balance (Sanchita) is put in the closed cover. The reason for the present birth (Praarabdha) is exhausted after giving this birth.

The fruits of present deeds to be enjoyed by you in the future (Aagaami) are entered in a list, which is also kept in another closed cover. No form of the deed (karma) is interfering with you in your present life. You are existing in full free state in this world to receive the spiritual knowledge and reform your soul without any disturbance from any external factor. This is the golden opportunity given to you to change your destiny in the state of full freedom. You are responsible for your future uplift or fall.





I am giving the basic energy to You since I the creator of energy. But, You are directing that energy in specific way and hence, You have to enjoy the fruit of the work done by You. I have supplied the electricity to Your house and I am not responsible for Your use to enjoy TV or to touch the electrified wire and commits suicide using the same current!

The fruit of My creation work is entertainment only, which alone reaches Me. I become Your vehicle and hence, I am the doer of Your work. The fruit is related to the direction of work and not to the work. If You go to the forest, You are robbed by robbers. If You go to a city to Your relatives, You are happy. In both, vehicle and work of going are one and the same, but, fruits are different due to difference in the directions of work.