Is it sin for a rape victim to abort the fetus?

[dattaswami]

God has given free will to all.

God posesses free will too.

He is not responsible for the direction you choose.

OK, but is God responsible for the direction God chooses?

understanding of the consequences, then surely an omniscient free-willing God carries even more responsibility? At least I can plead ignoranc, appeal to my human imperfection and beg forgiveness. What's his fucking excuse?

Yes, this is the reason GOd comes to this world in human form to give the direction following which one can avoid misery. That direction is called divine knowledge. Following justice and avoiding injustice is the essence of it.

[Skepdick]

Yes, this is the reason GOd comes to this world in human form to give the direction following which one can avoid misery. That direction is called divine knowledge. Following justice and avoiding injustice is the essence of it.

Ok, but the moment we develop higher moral standards than our Gods surely we should sentence them to death for all the injustice they have caused?

[dattaswami]

Yes, this is the reason GOd comes to this world in human form to give the direction following which one can avoid misery. That direction is called divine knowledge. Following justice and avoiding injustice is the essence of it.

Ok, but the moment we develop higher moral standards than our Gods surely we should sentence them to death for all the injustice they have caused?

If that is the case what is the need of police and court in this world? Please answer me?

[Skepdick]

If that is the case what is the need of police and court in this world? Please answer me?

Because the omniscient, omnipotent omnipresent idiot-God made a shitty world to live in! World pestered by murder, rape, violence, slavery etc!

Us mere humans are improving on God's fuckup.

[Iwannaplato]

There is no need to have an abortion, provided the husband of the lady agrees.

It may come as a shock to you but unmarried women are sometimes raped.

[Iwannaplato]

Is it sin for a rape victim to abort the fetus

God is omniscient, right?

Is it a sin if god to send a fetus to a woman he knows will abort it?

According to Christian doctrine, yes it's a sin because of free will.

What's the answer according to your doctrine, and what is your doctrine?

So, God sends fetuses into women who have been regularly pro-choice to test them out?
Not so nice to the fetuses.
And presumably mountainsides don't have free will, so why allow women to get pregnant in villages that will soon be destroyed by avalanches.

[dattaswami]

If that is the case what is the need of police and court in this world? Please answer me?

Because the omniscient, omnipotent omnipresent idiot-God made a shitty world to live in! World pestered by murder, rape, violence, slavery etc!

Us mere humans are improving on God's fuckup.

This world is called as karma loka (world of actions), which means that nothing is predetermined and you have free will in complete reality. You can change your destiny by your will and effort as said by Swami Vivekananda. Gita also says that God is not interfering in any activity or fruit of the deeds of any human being and some people think otherwise due to their ignorance (Naadatte ...).

The upper worlds are called as bhoga lokas in which you are enjoying the deeds of your fruits and you will not have any freedom there. When you come back to this earth, you take birth in a specific family with certain set of conditions and your such birth is the end of bhoga loka or the last fruit enjoyed by you in the name ‘Prarabdha’.

Of course, the balance of your deeds in the form of a set of qualities (samskara or vasana) accompany you in the name ‘Sanchita’ from the upper world and influences you in the activities of your life here. Such sanchita is not the will of God, but the balance of your will only after coming from upper world.

All the deeds done by you on this earth influenced by your own set of qualities (Sanchita) form the basis for the future fruits in the upper world in the name ‘Aagami’. Thus, you are determined by your own inner qualities, which are called as destiny. These qualities are in the phase of knowledge only and hence, can be rectified by the right knowledge received from a right preacher. Thus, you can change your destiny with the help of the right knowledge and hence, you have the full freedom here.

[Skepdick]

This world is called as karma loka (world of actions), which means that nothing is predetermined and you have free will in complete reality.

The starting point was pre-determined.

Murder, rape, sickness, violence, slavery. We could've inherited a reality without any of those things.

God decided we are better off with them than without them.

[Sculptor]

Is it sin for a rape victim to abort the fetus?

[Reply tp a question by Smt. Priyanka Seethepalli] Swami replied: Rape is the sin of the rapist and not the sin of the raped lady. There is no need to have an abortion, provided the husband of the lady agrees. The unborn child in the womb of the woman is not a sinner. So, why should it be killed? If the lady does not want to raise the child herself, she can deliver it and give it for adoption in an orphanage run by a charitable institution (anātha āśrama).

Not only morally bankrupt but sexist too.

[Iwannaplato]

This world is called as karma loka (world of actions), which means that nothing is predetermined and you have free will in complete reality.

Tell that to children born to sexually abusive parents who later kill them.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Notice how basically all religions are deeply misogynistic? Religion is clearly a 'male thing', invented to oppress, torment and control women. Women need to stop being part of these abominable organisations, inflicting this hateful garbage on their daughters. Shame on them for being complicit.

[wtf]

Notice how basically all religions are deeply misogynistic?

No, actually. I am no expert on this subject, but I believe you are factually incorrect on this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchal_religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo_women

https://slife.org/matriarchal-religion/

https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/l ... rchal-core

I found many other such links.

[Iwannaplato]

No, actually. I am no expert on this subject, but I believe you are factually incorrect on this point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchal_religion

This is a past religion. And while there are scattered individuals and small groups that have tried to restart this, it is extremely small compared with the Abrahamic religions, Hinduism and so on....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo_women

This is a small matriachal society of 50,000 people. So we are talking about a very small part of the world's population. One of their religions is Tibetan Buddhism which has a male reincarnated leader. I don't think there has ever been a female leader, but rather a lineage of reincarnated men. The current leader the Dalai Lama has a history of sexist remarks. The Muoso also have an indigenous religion that is matriarchal. There is a mix betwen the two and Buddhism is gaining ground. I don't think this makes much of a good point against her thesis.

https://slife.org/matriarchal-religion/

This is the same ground covered in your first link...and again, it's mainly about the past....

A matriarchal religion is a religion that focuses on a goddess or goddesses. The term is most often used to refer to theories of prehistoric matriarchal religions that were proposed by scholars such as Johann Jakob Bachofen, Jane Ellen Harrison, and Marija Gimbutas, and later popularized by second-wave feminism. In the 20th century, a movement to revive these practices resulted in the Goddess movement

There is also controversy about how correct this theory is and how widespread it was.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/l ... rchal-core

This is an idea about the potential for women having more power than has been realized within religions. 1) it's a position some people have. 2) it does not exclude the religions themselves being mysoginistic. We would have women with power and influence in some institutions within religions that have scriptures that blame women for the problems in creation, have male deities and messiahs and consider, generally, only men as the mediators between God and humans. So, core matriarchy, even if filled with correct conclusions, does not counter her assertion.

I don't think you've demonstrated that her statement in the present tense is incorrect. You've shown that many people believe there were matriarchal religoins in the deep past. You've shown that there is a matriarchal, small minority. You've shown that some people think women have more power in the institutions of religions, but these religions are still sexist in their view of women and who can be holy and the nature of God.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Notice how basically all religions are deeply misogynistic?

No, actually. I am no expert on this subject, but I believe you are factually incorrect on this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchal_religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo_women

https://slife.org/matriarchal-religion/

https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/l ... rchal-core

I found many other such links.

Of course you are going to find exceptions (via google). It doesn't matter what you are looking for, you are always going to find it and its polar opposite The Mosuo is an ethnic group, not a religion. And where are these 'matriarchal goddesses' today?

[Iwannaplato]

Of course you are going to find exceptions (via google). It doesn't matter what you are looking for, you are always going to find it and its polar opposite The Mosuo is an ethnic group, not a religion. And where are these 'matriarchal goddesses' today?

Yes, could he have named one goddess in the prehistoric matriarchies before Googling?