Reincarnation

[attofishpi]

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[Dontaskme]

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Hey, thanks for the thoughtful response.

There's all kinds of ways to deal with folks who admittedly have no respect for words and meanings, in a dimension, a realm, where we only exist as words.

How are you personally going to deal with those folks you claim have no respect for words and meanings where we only exist as words. And since you rightly point out that there is nothing we can know outside of language, so you feel the urge to announce be warned all ye who abuse words and their meanings.

Are you the word police? are you the make every thought a thoughtful squeaky clean, clear and pure, beautifully loving thought or else you're just going to have to resort to taking the critics and fun makers to your court to be judged and sentenced to some serious dealings for not adhering to expressing your preferred thoughtful thoughts?

Are you just a very annoying irritating silly pompous little petty bitch man who cannot get enough of listening to his own masterful, all wise, all knowing, endless lectures on just how awful and disrespectful certain people are who abuse the only tool they have available to understand the world in which they didn't even choose to be a part of in the first place.

Does it ever occur to you that these man-made words are what have separated nature from itself and are the cause of all the suffering, confusion, chaos and misery within humanity?

No, I thought not, that's because your too busy being a snobby little gossiping busy body always informing other people how they should think and feel and be. Did you know that your character's demeanor at this forum comes across as nothing more than a ''holier than thou' controlling little hitler type, as though you have nothing better to do with your life than to demand a pure and sterile 'thought process' from other philosophical posters.. that then has to be checked and run by you first, so as to meet with your own personal approval before it's remotely recommended or validated or accepted to be fit for this philosophy forum. And hell to pay for anyone who dare even think for themself. That's you in a nutshell Walker.

You even say thanks for the thoughtful response, and then blank out the response. Hmm, wtf




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[attofishpi]

'Literally'?

Yep, and I did it my way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyb_alTkMQ


ps. I am looking forward to my blowjob no matter how shit U R, cos u r a kunkt

[Dontaskme]

ps. I am looking forward to my blowjob

You must have a really long neck to pull that job off.

[Dontaskme]

But what happens if 'reincarnation' is ACTUALLY HAPPENING, but it is only your OWN Wrong INTERPRETATIONS of what 'reincarnation' IS, which is what is ACTUALLY BONKERS?

WHO then would be the ones of 'ridicule'?

But NOTHING is happening, it only appears to be happening.

No one has ever seen reincarnation happen, it's just a concept known by no one. No one knows they die or live, only in concept is that known, and that known is unknowable, it's an illusion. Nothing is reincarnating, it only appears to be, albeit illusory.

Where is yesterday, where is tomorrow, these places are only here now known in the only knowing there is which is consciousness that doesn't move or age. Consciousness is the timeless witness, the unmoving presence that is only here now, where nothing ever moved, or happened, except what appears to happen as and through this conception, albeit illusory.

Concepts known by no one is a story written by no one, and read by consciousness which is everyhwere as the silent ageless perfectly still witness always now.. No person has seen their own consciousness, because it has been overlayed by words/concepts made-up to look like images which are superimposed by the mind upon what will always be the empty blank screen of consciousness.

You cannot see consciousness directly, you would have to remove the conceptual overlay that is an image to see consciousness. But you cannot remove the image to get to the consciousness because you need consciousness to know you have removed the image. Therefore both the imageless and the image have to be one and the same reality in the exact same instance. And is why life is an illusion, because it is nothing more than an image of the imageless.

And the Walkers and the Iwannaplatos do not want you to talk about these philosophical findings, it's abusive and disrespectful according to them. Some people just cannot handle information like that, it's not what they have been conditioned to believe, they'd rather just stay in the comfortable convenient lie that has been fed to them from cradle to grave.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

ps. I am looking forward to my blowjob

You must have a really long neck to pull that job off.

[Dontaskme]

ps. I am looking forward to my blowjob

You must have a really long neck to pull that job off.

[attofishpi]

You must have a really long neck to pull that job off.

[attofishpi]

ps. I am looking forward to my blowjob

You must have a really long neck to pull that job off.

..just honestly LOL...and to think you could be happy surrounded by super kunts like atto..

..rather than dwelling on how shit your lives R

[Dontaskme]

In what ACTUAL way does the 'immaterial' 'perish'?

The exact same way ''pain'' does. No one has ever seen pain, pain is immaterial, but needs a body to be known, no body, no pain. Pain which is immaterial can only exist where there is a material body.
The immaterial and the material are one and the same reality, the immaterial has to be as temporal as the body is, which is constantly appearing and disappearing and then reappearing. There is no separation here, where the immaterial is immortal and the material is mortal, both must be present at the exact same instant in time as they are known conceptually, namely now.

The immaterial known as the soul known to be immortal can be possible but only if the body is immortal. So the idea there is a separation there where individual souls exist and then die and then go on to seek out another body, is indeed totally bonkers.

Logic informs us that everything that is was and ever will be forever, has to exist all at once, one without a second. Therefore, there is nothing reincarnating except everything is constantly becoming brand new in every instance, only to become old and pass away to make way for the ever newness and mystery and not-knowingness of life to become known.

No one knows this..this is just arising out of the mysterious emptiness of the void out of which apparent fullness arises and falls back into.

[Dontaskme]

The ones who enter and respond to a hypothetical world such as you create with your questions, under conditions admittedly designed by the thread creator that are intended to ridicule. That's who.

Who questions? who ridicules?

Who told you, you exist?

Until you answer these questions correctly, then you are just nothing more than a barking dog.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

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The most intelligent comment you've ever made

[Dontaskme]

Dontaskme wrote:
At the moment I am choosing this forum to pass the time of day, and that's all I'm doing here.

You can keep 'trying' to "justify" but it is NOT working.

Err, actually it is working, I'm here only to pass the time of day, until it's time to go to sleep. It's working fine for me, and that's exactly what I am doing here whether you think it's not working or not, I do not have to justify to you or anyone else the fact that using this forum as a way of passing the time of day is definitely 100% working for me...so keep your stupid annoying little opinions to yourself why don't you.


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[vegetariantaxidermy]

I'm having a look in between trying (and failing miserably) to make head or tail out of The Expanse on Netflix..

[Iwannaplato]

Not a Tony Parsons quote. It's Ken Wilbers, and so is the 'One Taste' Quote.

I think it's an old Zen quote that I guess both of them are quoting.

But then you are already familar with the nondual message, even having confessed it's not to your philosophical taste, you admit you do not like the guru vibe....but isn't that what all philosophers are doing?

Perhaps in some sense, though not the way I mean it. Most people in any discussion forum put forward their ideas about what is real/what is going on. For me the guru role entails spiritual aspects and specific dynamics between the would be guru and others.

....what the heck are you expecting to hear in a philosophical discussion? are you expecting something no one has ever heard or talked about before, something off the scale of human understanding that has never been thought of before, something completely unique and brand new that blows the mind of every thinking philosopher making all that they had thought previously redundant and irrelevant? is that what you want?

There are a lot of things that are neither guru shit nor earthshakingly original. Throwing out quotes or paraphrases from a non-dualist perspective when it's pointed out you made a false generalization for example has a culty edge to it. Hey, I won't respond to/take responsibility for X, but here's a tidbit of wisdom. Telling people nothing they say will change your personal philosophy AND passing on a lot of rehashed eastern 'wisdom' or wisdom, yeah, to me that's guru stuff. I am not at all assuming you consciously decide to take on the role or guru or master, but that dynamic implicitly says things to people.

It's a bit like Peter Kropotkin on the political level. He comes, lectures, doesn't respond to much to the points people make, can't seem to take responsibility for what he writes AND there's a lack of organized thought or original thought. He's not in the guru role because for the most part he's not anywhere near spiritual stuff, but it's a similar dynamic.

There are many posters, here and elsewhere, over the years who don't necessarily have paradigmatic shift things to say, but who can honestly interact, combine their personal lives or life in general with their philosophical posts, and it's interesting in that way. Dealing with the voices who are not like that is useful in another way.

These eastern spirituality cliches have helped so much, you want to share.

These man-made stories, aka cliches like all philosophical cliches have helped I guess, they have helped me to see the frailty and futility and fakeness of humanity and their obsession to cling to their conditioned mythical beliefs as if they were actually real....the nondual message also helped me to understand why humanities apparent separation from nature as and through the human ego, was natures biggest flaw and mistake, as nature seeks endlessly through it's dna replicating molecules for the perfect species, but has failed miserably so far..

But, currently, you find yourself in a horror show. Despite these ideas. So, I am bringing up the issue of your motivation for sharing ideas that at the very least have not put much of a dent in what you present as incredible suffering. And why you would announce that no on could change your personal philosophy, when it's not really helping you. And why you would also put these out as truths to others, who are perhaps not as closed as you are, when, in the end, despite having this outlook, or perhaps in part because of it, since you've said it goes back to childhood, you are still suffering immensely.

Here's the way things are. Here's the way things are. Here's the way things are. What you say cannot change my mind. Here's the way things are. Here's what's wrong with your beliefs. And yet, this view that you are promulgating, hasn't really helped you.

And given you aren't open to influence, that's a specific dynamic.

I feel like I’m stuck inside a horror movie forever trapped with no way out ever.

Well, then it must be compassion that leads to you sharing your personal philosophy with others. They are clearly missing out, since it has helped you so much. Sorry, ["you"]

Why are you sorry?

That was ironic.

and for what are you sorry about? seems like you make an awful lot of projections, and assumptions, and beliefs about this so called ''you'' that you are sorry for...so would you care to share what these projections are? would you like to share what it is you think have helped this 'you' ?

I don't think I have helped this you one bit. Not claiming any noble intentions here, and I never said that I have helped you or thought it.

And why are you still hanging around the ''guru vibe' that are my posts? if you are not much partial to guru vibing? do you have an axe to grind or something? do continue and share why you are still bothering to hang around.

I did in a post above to Walker. And what I said to him applies to many voices in here.

There were a couple of obvious things I pointed out in your posts: one related to Christianty as a whole and doubt, and one related to why someone might be upset in relation to inevitable things.

Not once in a long string of posts could you acknowledge that. A great tangential wandering, including non-relevant non-dualist ideas. Finally you agreed with one point, but could not acknowledge that it went against what you said. Just a simple human, oh, yeah, I see what you mean, right. While at the same time producing spiritual wisdom. It's odd and interesting and matches things I experience out in real life, sometimes when there are real stakes involved. But I explain this in general in the post with Walker.

So, why are you telling us what you are telling us? What's your motive? Why do you read posts by people who you consider deluded or make assumptions and projectiongs about you?