Christianity

[Belinda]

We institutionalised charitable giving.

If A asks for a donation, and Z offers one freely: this is charity.

If A sez gimme or else, and Z ponies over, not freely, but out of fear: this is theft (and it matters not one jot if A uses that stolen resource to feed the hungry).

You live your life under a regime.

No, Miss B. I live in the midst of slavers & sociopaths. I'm under nuthin' or no one.

I understand the US is a free country where you can change the regime if plenty others agree with you

The United States is a construct designed to further slavers & sociopaths. America is currently makin' the hard decision on what to do with The United States (no, I'm not talkin' about Election Tuesday).

As for democracy: I never signed any contract obligation' me to bow to the majority, or to attend to directives issued by their proxies/masters.

Of course fear is one of any regime's strategies.
Bowing to the majority is one of the disadvantages of democracy. If God ruled the world there would be no need for democracy or any other human regime. But there are too many bad men around for us to wait for forever for God to sort out the bad men. Bad men can be deterred and it's up to the good men to frighten them. So everybody elects deputies who can frighten the bad men.

There are worse ways to elect deputies than by democratic vote.

[henry quirk]

So everybody elects deputies who can frighten the bad men.

It does not seem to me hirin' security to guard your warehouse is anything like hirin' the best financed sociopath to ruie you.

Not even in the same ballpark

There are worse ways to elect deputies than by democratic vote.

Not really. Mob rule is mob rule no matter how you dress it up.
and it's not even really mob rule: the mob doesn't rule, they just select their masters

[Lacewing]

You just lied about not having it, then about whether you had even claimed iy, and now you are lying again.

In our mentally twisted world, has 'truth' become that which sustains whatever one wants/thinks, at all costs and despite all to the contrary?

[Immanuel Can]

Then you said that you had never even used the word "rent"

In connection to the WEF's plans.

I didn't. They did.

They were inept in describing their own activity: they should have used the right word, "theft." That's what their plan really entails. And that's what I would call it, too.

But you never did have that quote about us all having to rent everything from the government.

Yes, I did. Go back. I gave you a website, in fact, in which you get to hear them say it themselves.

But here's another, just to make you happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpz6K1sSIPY It's their own promo material. So you can see it for yourself.

So much for that.

[seeds]

And as a simple demonstration of what I mean, I recently, in an alternate thread, presented to the forum member, iambiguous, the following thought experiment...

• If science discovered direct (and irrefutable) proof that your life (your mind and consciousness) will continue on after death in a new and wondrous form, and in a higher and a more desirable context of reality,...
  
  ...and that all you had to do to enter this higher context of reality was to "open a door" and step across the threshold...
  
  ...what would you do?
  
  Would you stay here and needlessly endure the pains and sufferings of this lower context of reality until death eventually finds you anyway...
  
  ...or...
  
  ...would you simply walk through the doorway right now and enter into the, again, "scientifically verified" (as in absolutely guaranteed) higher context of reality where you (and everyone you know and love) will live forever in a new and wondrous form (indeed, the same form as God)?

Well, I have questions about this.

Are you assuming that our life here on Earth is not for a good/necessary reason,...

I am absolutely not assuming that our life here on earth is for no good or necessary reason.

Indeed, I believe we are here for the most necessary reason of all, and that reason is because the only way we could have been awakened into existence in the first place is via the physiology of our bodies and brains.

...perhaps even a reason that we 'ourselves' agreed to and orchestrated?

You seem to be implying that we pre-existed in some context of reality prior to our present situation here on earth.

In which case, I'm afraid I'm going to have to press you to not only take a shot at describing (guessing) what form and context of reality we existed in prior to our present form and context,...

...but also (and more importantly), how (and when) did we "acquire" these pre-existing forms?

Why are we here if we're not supposed to be?

Again, we are here because physical brains and the earth represent the physiological means and setting that was required for awakening our minds/souls into existence...

...(as opposed to what you are [hopefully] going to tell me is your own theory as to how individual souls are formed).

Are you assuming that everyone who is here could be aware enough to see or understand your claim even if it were true and if proof of it were right in front of them? There are so many distractions that people are fully committed to here despite contrary evidence right in front of them all the time....

...I've had experiences of seeing 'behind the physical/material curtain' so-to-speak, and although I thought it would be wonderful to experience and live that with other beings, that's not where we are 'right now' in this Earth life. When I had these 'glimpses', my choice was to stay here with those I love and care about, and finish it out, rather than leave yet. I respect that there's a purpose.

Yeah, well, that choice to stay was based on, as you said, "glimpses" of what lies beyond the curtain, and not on absolute irrefutable knowledge of what lies beyond,...

...(as in the kind of knowledge that would come with that "PROOF" you were insisting on in your earlier post about "cards on the table").

I continually meet people who 'see more' than what's apparent on the surface of this life... and we're all willingly staying here. I don't think it's a mistake. And I don't want to spend my life here focused only on transcending it. That will come soon enough, and I will surrender with love just as I am embracing with love.

Again, everything you are saying is based on the fact that none of us know with absolute certainty of a guarantee that what awaits us on the other side of death is wonderful beyond our wildest dreams.

However, all I am suggesting is that if that fact was fully revealed to us, then I'm pretty sure that most of us, especially the folks in these sorts of dire and oppressive situations...















...would gladly trade their earthly "distractions" for an immediate (and guaranteed) entrance into paradise.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why I get so much flack about suggesting that, in the end, everything is going to be absolutely perfect for everyone,...

...indeed, so perfect, and so wonderful that it must be kept hidden from us so that we are not compelled to seek it out prematurely.
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[Immanuel Can]

Bowing to the majority is one of the disadvantages of democracy.

Which version of "democracy," B?

Right now, there are two main ones on offer: one is the democracy of individualism, opportunity, meritocracy, equal participation, etc. That's traditional American democracy, and Henry's kind, I suspect.

The other kind is a thing that uses the word "democracy," but uses it as Joe Biden means it, or Justin Trudeau uses it in Canada or Jacinda Ardern in NZ, or as the WEF uses it all the time. That is, "democracy" (according to them) is getting a totalitarian government into power, which can then legistate and control everything in the interests of what it believes might ultimately be in the alleged interests of the people...who are taken to be too stupid, too deplorable, to ignorant and too volatile to be trusted to make any genuinely democratic choices, but must rather be paternalistically nursed along by the elitist Leftists who automatically "know better" what serves the human good (and conveniently, always increases their own power and importance, at the same time). But so long as the elitists continue to be claiming to make every decision in the interests of "social welfare," they continue to speak of that as "democracy."

That second one is the "democracy" that Biden has been told to say is now threatened, and is (in those words) "on the ballot" in America right now. The first kind, well, he and his cronies worldwide, the "Democratic Socialists" have absolutely no interest in that, very clearly. It offers them no chance to increase their power and importance at all...and in fact, as they admit, threatens it.

So which version are you backing?

[FlashDangerpants]

Then you said that you had never even used the word "rent"

In connection to the WEF's plans.

I didn't. They did.

They were inept in describing their own activity: they should have used the right word, "theft." That's what their plan really entails. And that's what I would call it, too.

But you never did have that quote about us all having to rent everything from the government.

Yes, I did. Go back. I gave you a website, in fact, in which you get to hear them say it themselves.

But here's another, just to make you happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpz6K1sSIPY It's their own promo material. So you can see it for yourself.

So much for that.

from the government.

[Immanuel Can]

Then you said that you had never even used the word "rent"

In connection to the WEF's plans.

I didn't. They did.

They were inept in describing their own activity: they should have used the right word, "theft." That's what their plan really entails. And that's what I would call it, too.

But you never did have that quote about us all having to rent everything from the government.

Yes, I did. Go back. I gave you a website, in fact, in which you get to hear them say it themselves.

But here's another, just to make you happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpz6K1sSIPY It's their own promo material. So you can see it for yourself.

So much for that.

...from the government.

Case closed. .

[FlashDangerpants]

In connection to the WEF's plans.

I didn't. They did.

They were inept in describing their own activity: they should have used the right word, "theft." That's what their plan really entails. And that's what I would call it, too.


Yes, I did. Go back. I gave you a website, in fact, in which you get to hear them say it themselves.

But here's another, just to make you happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpz6K1sSIPY It's their own promo material. So you can see it for yourself.

So much for that.

...from the government.

Case closed. .

Indeed, that video doesn't say anything about the government taking all your shit away and not allowing you to own things. So you you definitely never had the quote you said.

You lied in hopes of saving face because you are the prisoner of a sinfully prideful nature.

[Immanuel Can]

...from the government.

Case closed. .

Indeed, that video doesn't say anything about the government taking all your shit away...

You're so goofy.

How do you think the WEF is planning to do it? Go and read their book "Covid 19: The Great Reset." Then come back when you have even minimal information about what they actually intend to do.

Until then...

[FlashDangerpants]

Case closed. .

Indeed, that video doesn't say anything about the government taking all your shit away...

You're so goofy.

How do you think the WEF is planning to do it? Go and read their book "Covid 19: The Great Reset." Then come back when you have even minimal information about what they actually intend to do.

Until then...

Remember way back whenh I veryt first assked you about those allegations, I was asking how much reading between the lines you had done.
You said none, that the whole thing was explicit and you were doing it all with their own words.

And you did that because you were trying to show that it wasn't a conspiracy theory.


So now we agree that you are a conspiracy theorist at last?

[Immanuel Can]

Indeed, that video doesn't say anything about the government taking all your shit away...

You're so goofy.

How do you think the WEF is planning to do it? Go and read their book "Covid 19: The Great Reset." Then come back when you have even minimal information about what they actually intend to do.

Until then...

So now we agree that you are a conspiracy theorist at last?

We don't agree at all, of course. I think you're a troll, really. Otherwise, I can't account for your inability to process basic evidence, or your adamant refusal to see it, and the little bouts of spite you exhibit. And I don't think you're actually as devoid of common sense as you're presenting.

But about that, I could be wrong. Maybe you are. I don't know you personally...so it's possible.

Go and read the book. Then you'll know. If you don't, you'll remain as you are. I'm not sure it's my concern, either way.

[FlashDangerpants]

You're so goofy.

How do you think the WEF is planning to do it? Go and read their book "Covid 19: The Great Reset." Then come back when you have even minimal information about what they actually intend to do.

Until then...

So now we agree that you are a conspiracy theorist at last?

We don't agree at all, of course. I think you're a troll, really. Otherwise, I can't account for your inability to process basic evidence, or your adamant refusal to see it, and the little bouts of spite you exhibit. And I don't think you're actually as devoid of common sense as you're presenting.

But about that, I could be wrong. Maybe you are. I don't know you personally...so it's possible.

Go and read the book. Then you'll know. If you don't, you'll remain as you are. I'm not sure it's my concern, either way.

Does the book contain the wuote that the government will own everything, clear and plain without need for reading between lines?

[Immanuel Can]

Does the book contain ...

Go and see. Or don't. I really don't care which you do, because I see no sincerity at all there.

[FlashDangerpants]

I see no sincerity at all there.

That's strange. I can make a mistake and just accept it and fix it and move on no problem.

If that quote was actually there, I would just eat whatever shit was necessary when presented with it.
I wouldn't spend 2 years pointlessly pretending I was right when it was just obvious I was overextended.