Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:32 pmThat's not what I mean when I use the word. You'll have to speak for yourself.
I'd suggest that the idea expressed in the Sanskrit term encompasses and encloses any of the conceptual fracturations to which you are wedded. In Vedanta philosophy emphasis is placed on what is termed
Ishvara:
Ishvara, (Sanskrit: “Lord”) in Hinduism, God understood as a person, in contrast to the impersonal transcendent brahman. The title is particularly favoured by devotees of the god Shiva; the comparable term Bhagavan (also meaning “Lord”) is more commonly used by Vaishnavas (followers of the god Vishnu). Particular communities within the Hindu fold differ in their understanding of the relation between Ishvara and brahman. Theistic communities maintain that the two are one and the same or even that the personal representation is superior; others, including some adherents of Advaita Vedanta, argue that Ishvara is a limited and ultimately inadequate representation of brahman.
Recently I referred to you as an *intellectual cockroach* which, by convention, is an insult. However I do not mean it as such. I mean it more as a designation for a peculiarly reduced sort of intellect. Again, my main assertion about you (and you-plural) is that you have been captured and dominated by a very possessive idea which is a direct product of Hebrew idea imperialism. Any reference you make to your personification, your
Ishvara, is in essence a reference to a constellation in your own personality, in your psychology. However, your personification developed out of a perversion: a tribal god (a
daimon, a demiurge) which was invented or molded by a priest class in order to mobilize a people.
This is not the
only way to view the Hebrew god-concept but it is certainly a major one. This is why I keep mentioning that you must be seen and understood as a Christian Zionist and, if I may put it this way, as a wannabe Jew. As you know I regard your brand of Evangelical Christianity as a disease of the mind. So to associate your mind, your intellect metaphorically with
cockroaches, is only to refer to a lower order of intellect. My purposes here have to do with topical cultural issues and our contemporary world. So my stated object is to examine you from some distance and try to see and also expose your various *moving parts*. Sure, they are few but they are ideas with power. You demonstrate the degree to which they capture and dominate you, and I therefore regard you as an 'agent' of these ideas in larger social bodies.
Is this becoming any more clear to you Immanuel as we move forward?
My assertion is that you work with a *dark lord* (here I riff off of the meaning of the term Ishvara and Darth Vadar as Dark Lord) but you tell me, and all others here, that you serve a god of illumination and indeed of 'life' and all the bounty of life as expressed in growing things, in sunlight, in brightness, in illumination and indeed of 'salvation'. But you do not serve any of those things! You serve
a Curse. And your religious philosophy dovetails into political and geopolitical machinations. So you are both a pimp and a sort of whore.
I am in some sense sorry to be so blunt with you but none of this is a game. Some in this conversation play at it like a game -- as if it has no consequence -- but I mean to point out that all of this really does have serious consequences. You said a few months ago now that here, among those who critique you, that you have never been mauled but only 'gummed'. That is that people came at you with toothless mouths and their critiques had no effect. Well, and as it turned out, you have inspired me because I began to understand you as a fraud, and as a deceiving liar, to then to try to get to the heart of your darkness. Could I be wrong? It is not impossible, is it? But I do not think I am wrong. And I think therefore that exposing you, and the perversions of your religious assertions, is a needed and necessary undertaking.
And this is why I continually refer to ethics and morality. It is necessary, ethically and morally,
to see through you. The essence of you, the essential element or factor in you, is your intolerance. The assertion that your *god* is superior and, allied with that god, that you are superior. I am not sure if I would
deny, necessarily, the category of *superior* (better, more advanced) but what I can definitely say is that you do not embody this. So what is the *superior attitude* to have?
What else could it be but a wide and inclusive
understanding? And again I refer to
vidya:
Vidya primarily means "correct knowledge" in any field of science, learning, philosophy, or any factual knowledge that cannot be disputed or refuted. Its root is vid (Sanskrit: विद्), which means "to reason upon", knower, finding, knowing, acquiring or understanding.
We must aim higher. We must strive for less limiting definitions.
I notice that you assert that your *god* (the Biblical god Yahweh) is absolutely superior. Indeed his self-declared destiny is that all knees will bow to him. This has many many levels of implication. The entirety of your presence here, the essence of your discourse, is based in this distorted idea. I simply say that, to my way of seeing, it is not right and cannot be right.
And for this reason I refer to your god-image -- your personal
Ishvara -- as a demonic image, as a demonic representation. For all that you tell me that it is something of brightness and light (etc.)
This is all trickery, falsely grounded rhetoric, and deception. I am convinced that I can explain all of this in fair and reasonable terms without exaggeration. Thus again I reveal what my intentions are and what I am doing here.
And yet, you naively think I'm likely to jump to attention when you say some bizarre accusation? And you think I owe you the dignity of a response, do you?
