Self-Negation

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Re: Self-Negation

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:26 pm
Walker wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:44 pm “… self-negation is the formation of self-hood into an objective state where the I becomes an object.”

Neti neti. I am not this, I am not that. I am nothing that I can imagine or perceive. Who am I?
No-thing, as objects are a void of void thus to be an object is to be a contradiction and from this the "I" is anything.
- Void means that every thing, from the biggest thing to the smallest thing, is devoid of a singular essence.

- A thought is a thing made more tangible when carved into stone, or formed by ink or pixels, however even a thought is void, because a thought is devoid of a singular essence. Why?
- Because like a sound, a thought is not singular. A thought is two. A thought is a relationship, like sound.

- A sound is a disruption in the stillness. The disruption produces a shock wave transmitted by air, water, earth, or some other medium. The energy transmission is received by an organic device such as ears, or an inorganic extension of ears such as a recorder.

- It follows, that thoughts are also a disruption of the stillness that requires two.
- When you find a thought carved in stone, you are completing the creation of a dualistic thing, and that thing is meaning.

- When you think a thought, spontaneously accomplished by the mind sense, the mind sense is like an ear. It completes the circuit that started with a disruption in the stillness and traveled to a receiver, which in the case of sound is an ear, and in the case of a thought is the mind sense.

- Who is transmitting the thought that is received and given meaning by the mind sense. :|
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Re: Self-Negation

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CHNOPS wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:58 pm That is because you think "void" is something.

There is no such a thing as "void".

Being is not contradictory. The problem is you think "void" is part of reality.

The same with True/False.

There is only Trues.
If there are only trues then by the fact of its existence what I say is true.
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Re: Self-Negation

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Walker wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:26 pm
Walker wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:44 pm “… self-negation is the formation of self-hood into an objective state where the I becomes an object.”

Neti neti. I am not this, I am not that. I am nothing that I can imagine or perceive. Who am I?
No-thing, as objects are a void of void thus to be an object is to be a contradiction and from this the "I" is anything.
- Void means that every thing, from the biggest thing to the smallest thing, is devoid of a singular essence.

- A thought is a thing made more tangible when carved into stone, or formed by ink or pixels, however even a thought is void, because a thought is devoid of a singular essence. Why?
- Because like a sound, a thought is not singular. A thought is two. A thought is a relationship, like sound.

- A sound is a disruption in the stillness. The disruption produces a shock wave transmitted by air, water, earth, or some other medium. The energy transmission is received by an organic device such as ears, or an inorganic extension of ears such as a recorder.

- It follows, that thoughts are also a disruption of the stillness that requires two.
- When you find a thought carved in stone, you are completing the creation of a dualistic thing, and that thing is meaning.

- When you think a thought, spontaneously accomplished by the mind sense, the mind sense is like an ear. It completes the circuit that started with a disruption in the stillness and traveled to a receiver, which in the case of sound is an ear, and in the case of a thought is the mind sense.

- Who is transmitting the thought that is received and given meaning by the mind sense. :|
1. Thus void is multiplicity and as such is not void as it is a manifestation of singles with all these singles sharing the same quality of being single thus paradoxically being connected through this shared quality.

2. Objects are a contradiction, they are the void of void.
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Re: Self-Negation

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:52 pm
CHNOPS wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:58 pm That is because you think "void" is something.

There is no such a thing as "void".

Being is not contradictory. The problem is you think "void" is part of reality.

The same with True/False.

There is only Trues.
If there are only trues then by the fact of its existence what I say is true.
Yes.

I can say:

"A man with a cape fly in the sky".

And that is True.

The question is what is describing that true statement. In this case is just describing an imagination that I have in my mind.

What are you describing when you say "void"? .....

"A something that is no-something" ? well... that is the contradiction. In your mind, not in reality.
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Re: Self-Negation

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

CHNOPS wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:21 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:52 pm
CHNOPS wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:58 pm That is because you think "void" is something.

There is no such a thing as "void".

Being is not contradictory. The problem is you think "void" is part of reality.

The same with True/False.

There is only Trues.
If there are only trues then by the fact of its existence what I say is true.
Yes.

I can say:

"A man with a cape fly in the sky".

And that is True.

The question is what is describing that true statement. In this case is just describing an imagination that I have in my mind.

What are you describing when you say "void"? .....

"A something that is no-something" ? well... that is the contradiction. In your mind, not in reality.
Void is contradiction as contradictions are senseless (and the void is senseless).
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