Trump Derangement Syndrome

[henry quirk]

You people can say what you like about my lil ORANGE HAND GRENADE. What I know, as fact, is: while he had his ORANGE keister in the Big Chair, congress didn't do diddly 'cept self-cannibalize. That there was a big win for me.

Now, I think ORANGE MAN actually did a few good things in his 4. But: If he'd done nuthin' but lounge around all day, fingerin' whores, makin' shady deals, and tweetin' ugly things, that woulda still, in my book, warranted a second term.

Anything or one who renders The State impotent is A-Okay in my book.

Which brings me to Smokin' Joe, the Houseplant, Biden.

This rotten, diminished, facsimile of a man is A-Okay in my book too. In his own way, Smokin' Joe has pissed on The State as thoroughly as ORANGE MAN (the difference bein': ORANGE MAN intended to, while Smokin' Joe [or his handlers] is utterly mystified why most Amercans [includin' those in his party] think he sucks long and hard).

[commonsense]

Thanks, IC.

You're welcome. I'd say "my pleasure," except there's no pleasure in it.

Did you mean no pleasure exists in the content of your answer or you take no pleasure in giving an honest answer? Or what did you mean?

[Immanuel Can]

Thanks, IC.

You're welcome. I'd say "my pleasure," except there's no pleasure in it.

Did you mean no pleasure exists in the content of your answer or you take no pleasure in giving an honest answer? Or what did you mean?

I mean it's not the kind of situation that ought to occasion pleasure for anyone.

[Immanuel Can]

I vote for whomever inspires me more.

On what basis do you derive your "inspiration"?

Maybe a poster with "hope" at the bottom, whether hope ever appears or not? Maybe lofty claims about "doing for your country"? Does this stuff get your motor running?

[commonsense]

I vote for whomever inspires me more.

On what basis do you derive your "inspiration"?

Maybe a poster with "hope" at the bottom, whether hope ever appears or not? Maybe lofty claims about "doing for your country"? Does this stuff get your motor running?

Posters and claims have nothing to do with it for me.

[Immanuel Can]

I vote for whomever inspires me more.

On what basis do you derive your "inspiration"?

Maybe a poster with "hope" at the bottom, whether hope ever appears or not? Maybe lofty claims about "doing for your country"? Does this stuff get your motor running?

Posters and claims have nothing to do with it for me.

Well, what gives you your "inspiration" in a politician?

[tillingborn]

And do you vote? And before you vote, is the thing you consult the court transcript?

What you are showing here is petulance.

No. It's a serious question.

And I'll come back to it, but first the issue you are trying to avoid:

You cannot perceive a difference between accusation and guilt. Have another look:

Both Trump and Biden have been accused of sexual assault.

Really? I had not heard that Trump had actually done it.

I'm sure it is clear to everyone but you that guilt does not logically follow from accusation. That you think it does is an example of your abysmal logic. Here's the same mistake compounded:

You say:

All I have heard, up to this point, about Trump in that regard is that he made frat-boy talk.

If that is still true,

It's not. But it's also not terribly relevant anymore. By any account, Trump's indiscretions (which you have elected to dismiss as unproven anyway) are manifestly not worse than the proved allegations against Clinton, or Biden.

Once you became aware of the accusations against Trump, with no apparent critical filter, they became "indiscretions" in your mind.

Trump, as well as Biden and Clinton have been accused of many things. Only a fool thinks they are all guilty of everything they have been accused of. You apparently are that fool.

As I said:

If you stop running from that point, you might learn from it.

But back to your question, which if it isn't petulant, it is cowardly or stupid.

You say you judge your friends by what you know of their character; but that you don't judge politicians that way.
My question amounts to: then how do you vote? What do you use to judge that you should vote for one man, and not for another? How do you decide that Trump is 'unworthy' of your vote, but Clinton and Biden deserve it?

Please, fill me in on what you do.

Did you not read this?

As I said, your premises are false and your logic is abysmal. Of course I have beliefs about what my friends might have done; they're my friends. I know something of their character, what they are capable of, and will believe things about them I wasn't a witness to. We are talking about sexual assault; how many of your friends do you believe are capable of that? What sort of evidence would it take for you to believe such an accusation against one of your friends? Suppose the accuser was your wife. Would you defer judgement until the accused was in jail?
I can't count Clinton, Trump or Biden among my friends. From what little I know of their character, there are things I would believe they have done, but for all their incontinent behaviour, I cannot say any of them is a "serial rapist".

Perhaps you are too stupid to understand that it explains how I judge both friends and politicians alike, the difference being that I know my friends better than my politicians.

[Immanuel Can]

What you are showing here is petulance.

No. It's a serious question.

And I'll come back to it,

How about now? Because the answer will make nonsense of all the absurdities and false accusations.

How do you decide whom to vote for?

[tillingborn]

the answer will make nonsense of all the absurdities and false accusations.

Ah the eureka moment: you have learnt that there is such a thing as a false accusation.

How do you decide whom to vote for?

Policy.

[Immanuel Can]

the answer will make nonsense of all the absurdities and false accusations.

Ah the eureka moment: you have learnt that there is such a thing as a false accusation.

You've showed me there is, if I had doubted it. You're also the king of the ad hominem argument, and pretty darn devoted to deflection, too. So I'm learning a lot.

How do you decide whom to vote for?

Policy.

So you want to tell me that you searched out Joe Biden's policies, and Donald Trump's policies, and made your decision by those...and Biden's were better?

I just want to see what I'm looking at here, before I comment.

Any policies in particular, that you loved?

[tillingborn]

Ah the eureka moment: you have learnt that there is such a thing as a false accusation.

You've showed me there is

You're welcome.

So you want to tell me that you searched out Joe Biden's policies, and Donald Trump's policies

As a a British citizen, their policies are of no immediate concern to me.

[Immanuel Can]

Ah the eureka moment: you have learnt that there is such a thing as a false accusation.

You've showed me there is

You're welcome.

So you want to tell me that you searched out Joe Biden's policies, and Donald Trump's policies

As a a British citizen, their policies are of no immediate concern to me.

Ah. So you didn't know their policies at all, though you just certainly implied you did. You said that was your "how."

But the truth is that you just decided one was unworthy of support and deserved criticism, but the other was worthy of your trust?

Did you actually have any standards or criteria at all? Even one?

[tillingborn]

So you want to tell me that you searched out Joe Biden's policies, and Donald Trump's policies

As a a British citizen, their policies are of no immediate concern to me.

Ah. So you didn't know their policies at all, though you just certainly implied you did. You said that was your "how."

That is your turpid imagination getting the better of your critical faculties again. Our exchange has been about accusations of sexual misconduct; at no point have I claimed to know anything about the policies of the presidents discussed. Any implication is your creation. When I vote for politicians in the UK, it is for their policies.

But the truth is that you just decided one was unworthy of support and deserved criticism, but the other was worthy of your trust?

Again this is you confabulating; I have not criticised anyone.

Did you actually have any standards or criteria at all? Even one?

I will remind you of my initial contribution to this thread, which has been my position throughout:

When you pillory one man for making frat-boy talk, and say nothing about his competitor who's an actual rapist? I think practically everbody would say that's an imbalance of values, at the very least.

Both Trump and Biden have been accused of sexual assault. Neither have been convicted. On what grounds do you find one guilty and the other innocent?

Now that you finally understand that the accusations against them are not necessarily true, the matter is over.

[commonsense]

On what basis do you derive your "inspiration"?

Maybe a poster with "hope" at the bottom, whether hope ever appears or not? Maybe lofty claims about "doing for your country"? Does this stuff get your motor running?

Posters and claims have nothing to do with it for me.

Well, what gives you your "inspiration" in a politician?

It’s a feeling, an indescribable feeling.

[Immanuel Can]

Did you actually have any standards or criteria at all? Even one?

I will remind you...

So...no answer. No criteria, no standards..."Orange Man bad." That's all.

Classic TDS.