the queen is dead

[iambiguous]

Just a reminder that, per the OP...

The Queen of England is dead.

Now, philosophically or otherwise, is there a way to pin down how all rational men and women are obligated to react to it?

Or, instead, will our individual reactions to it be predicated more on the existential trajectory of our lives? Some being indoctrinated as children and then accumulating personal experiences and relationships as adults that predispose them to be gladdened by it, or saddened by it, or to be completely indifferent to it.

...all personal opinions expressed here are but political prejudices derived existentially from dasein.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Just a reminder that, per the OP...

The Queen of England is dead.

Now, philosophically or otherwise, is there a way to pin down how all rational men and women are obligated to react to it?

Or, instead, will our individual reactions to it be predicated more on the existential trajectory of our lives? Some being indoctrinated as children and then accumulating personal experiences and relationships as adults that predispose them to be gladdened by it, or saddened by it, or to be completely indifferent to it.

...all personal opinions expressed here are but political prejudices derived existentially from dasein.

K: I would adjust two word here, "all personal opinions expressed here are
but political (and social) prejudices derived existentially from dasein"

Kropotkin

[Iwannaplato]

Just a reminder that, per the OP...

The Queen of England is dead.

Now, philosophically or otherwise, is there a way to pin down how all rational men and women are obligated to react to it?

Or, instead, will our individual reactions to it be predicated more on the existential trajectory of our lives? Some being indoctrinated as children and then accumulating personal experiences and relationships as adults that predispose them to be gladdened by it, or saddened by it, or to be completely indifferent to it.

...all personal opinions expressed here are but political prejudices derived existentially from dasein.

My reactions here were not political. Though certainly they are affected by my experiences and my nature. Not quite sure what you mean by 'dasein' (it seems not quite heidegger's sense), but if it means the combination of nature and nurture, so to speak, well, then I'm on board, though without the political. See, below....

I can't say I feel the slightest grief.

But it's an odd feeling. It's like Mt Everest is gone. Some part of the furniture of the world is gone. Not a piece I liked, but the future slides toward us.

I also think it is off to call it a prejudice. That's pejorative. Preference, reaction, taste, opinion.....more like those.

[Dubious]

It would seem logical and sensible enough that in this day and age all this royal bullshit would have had its day... a "firm" that should long have been defunct. Never once in recent history has it been useful for anything whose purpose now amounts to nothing more than being told what to say and do to conserve tradition...an extremely expensive tradition. But if almost no power remains to a once over-powering empire, tradition is all that's left and must be maintained at all costs. Where glory no-longer exists one borrows to keep it going assuming there was ever much that was glorious in the British empire.

[reasonvemotion]

Veg wrote:

"I could never work out what this 'service' she provided was. 'A life dedicated to 'serving' '. What does that even mean?

Self serving.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Veg wrote:

"I could never work out what this 'service' she provided was. 'A life dedicated to 'serving' '. What does that even mean?

Self serving.

Exactly. I certainly never got any kind of feeling that she was 'serving' 'me'.

[iambiguous]

Just a reminder that, per the OP...

The Queen of England is dead.

Now, philosophically or otherwise, is there a way to pin down how all rational men and women are obligated to react to it?

Or, instead, will our individual reactions to it be predicated more on the existential trajectory of our lives? Some being indoctrinated as children and then accumulating personal experiences and relationships as adults that predispose them to be gladdened by it, or saddened by it, or to be completely indifferent to it.

...all personal opinions expressed here are but political prejudices derived existentially from dasein.

My reactions here were not political.

Well, one either reacts positively or negatively to her life and death. Or one reacts with ambivalence. Or one couldn't care less about it either way.

But: since there are any number of objectivists among us who insist that there is in fact a rational manner in which to react -- the way they do -- no reaction from others is not political to them.

Though certainly they are affected by my experiences and my nature. Not quite sure what you mean by 'dasein' (it seems not quite heidegger's sense), but if it means the combination of nature and nurture, so to speak, well, then I'm on board, though without the political.

Again, my meaning of dasein is explored in depth in the OPs of these threads:

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=185296

As for how I contrast my dasein and Heidegger's Dasein:

I don't capitalize dasein because in many important ways human existence is not a proper noun. Instead, it is an ever shifting and evolving point of view regarding [at times] complex relationships embedded in contingency, chance and change.

..............

Me, I take da-sein to mean "existing there" out in a particular world and not "existing here" out in differing particular world? Now and not then or in the future. How does that impact existentially on how you come to view your "self" out in that world? And what is instead true for all of us?

.............

In my view, Heidegger's Dasein is largely an intellectual contraption. That's why it it always capitalized. Like Being.

From him I took the idea of each individual being "thrown" adventitiously at birth into a particular time and place. And because they are born and bred in one particular historical, cultural and experiential juncture rather than another, this can have a profound impact on how they come to construe "reality" in terms of both their identity and their value judgments.

See below...

I can't say I feel the slightest grief.

But it's an odd feeling. It's like Mt Everest is gone. Some part of the furniture of the world is gone. Not a piece I liked, but the future slides toward us.

I also think it is off to call it a prejudice. That's pejorative. Preference, reaction, taste, opinion.....more like those.

What difference does it really make what you call it when the most important point is that our reaction to it is a profoundly problematic reflection of the existential parameters of the life we lived rather than something that can be pinned down with any precision philosophically.

[Iwannaplato]

Well, one either reacts positively or negatively to her life and death. Or one reacts with ambivalence. Or one couldn't care less about it either way.

But: since there are any number of objectivists among us who insist that there is in fact a rational manner in which to react -- the way they do -- no reaction from others is not political to them.

Well, not for me. Yes, some might see my reactions as political, and I see some reactions as political. But others don't seem political to me. I don't see indifference as political, for example. Nor some of the amused reactions.
Is there a reason to let objectivists determine what something is?

In my view, Heidegger's Dasein is largely an intellectual contraption. That's why it it always capitalized. Like Being.

OK, I appreciate the explanation of your version. I find it incredibly hard to imagine

Me, I take da-sein to mean "existing there" out in a particular world and not "existing here" out in differing particular world? Now and not then or in the future. How does that impact existentially on how you come to view your "self" out in that world? And what is instead true for all of us?

as anything other than an intellectual contraption. In a neutral use of that term. A somewhat complicated very abstract concept.
which is expanded on here.

From him I took the idea of each individual being "thrown" adventitiously at birth into a particular time and place. And because they are born and bred in one particular historical, cultural and experiential juncture rather than another, this can have a profound impact on how they come to construe "reality" in terms of both their identity and their value judgments.

I don't see any problem with using intellectual contraptions, but it seems you use the term perjoratively, including regarding Heidegger's Dasein.

But, in any case, I have a much better idea about what you mean by the little case version.

See below...

What difference does it really make what you call it

All I said was that it was not political for me. If that isn't important, it would have been easy to simply concede the point.

when the most important point is that our reaction to it is a profoundly problematic reflection of the existential parameters of the life we lived rather than something that can be pinned down with any precision philosophically.

It's important to me to not see everything as political. I'd prefer it if people stopped labelling everything political, when not all of it is. This is part of the current zeitgeist, seeing everything as a political issue, then determining rapidly if your taste or preference or reaction puts you on 'my team' or 'the other team' and then trying to smash the person or consider yourself one with them. I realize conflicts and conflicts around values, morals and preferences are, so far, inevitable. But I see no reason to view all reactions as political. Look at the idiotic online war going on about the new Lord of the Ring series. Not everything is so damn important, some things are tastes and preferences, even for objectivists. Or, well, they used to be.

Now if I don't like that series I must be a homophobics racist who votes for Trump to many. Now, I know you didn't weigh in this way and are interested in the issue at a meta-level.

But, for me it is important not to label things that are not political, political.

The above statement you made is actually....

the most important point FOR ME is that our reaction to it is a profoundly problematic reflection of the existential parameters of the life we lived rather than something that can be pinned down with any precision philosophicall

but ironically in a post part of a criticism of objectivism you framed it in objectivist terms. How could I focus on some trivia instead of the most important thing?

Perhaps I focused on something important to me.

And just to be clear. I am not saying that her death are NOT political. Not am I saying that for many others it is not political. It's just not for me and not necessarily so for others. And my reaction, here, was not political. Further, I wouldn't even be able to guess what political difference her death will make. Some may be able to but not me. So, how her death will affect any political prefereces I have, I have no idea.

[Belinda]

Dasein : aren't German nouns always given capital letters?

[promethean75]

is this nonsense ever gonna end? every time i turn on the idiot box i see these buffoons marching down some street with the casket. these guys have put more marching miles in carrying that fuckin casket than they did in both world wars combined. and how much is this nonsense costing the tax payers?

[seeds]

It would seem logical and sensible enough that in this day and age all this royal bullshit would have had its day... a "firm" that should long have been defunct.

Precisely!

And it's similar to the absurdity of bestowing a "god-like" status upon mere humans back in the days of the Pharaohs and the Ceasars.

And even though I have often asserted that it is necessary for humans to function at a generally low (somnambulistic) level of consciousness in order for the "dream-like" illusion of the universe to seem logical to us,...

...I nevertheless still find it amazing that any belching, farting, pants-crapping human can go through life thinking that they are actually worthy of being referred to as "Your Majesty".

Clearly, they are as delusional as the brainwashing social system that established and maintains such nonsense.
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[Dubious]

is this nonsense ever gonna end? every time i turn on the idiot box i see these buffoons marching down some street with the casket. these guys have put more marching miles in carrying that fuckin casket than they did in both world wars combined. and how much is this nonsense costing the tax payers?

...and it's lined with lead to boot requiring two more carriers. As for how much it's costing the taxpayer, I would say virtually nothing compared to how much the royal gutter house already cost the UK and Commonwealth during the reign, but not rule, of QEII, who, when again compared to the involuntary largesse of the taxpayer, turned out to be a cheap screw herself in spite of all the billions invested in THE FIRM.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

is this nonsense ever gonna end? every time i turn on the idiot box i see these buffoons marching down some street with the casket. these guys have put more marching miles in carrying that fuckin casket than they did in both world wars combined. and how much is this nonsense costing the tax payers?

...and it's lined with lead to boot requiring two more carriers. As for how much it's costing the taxpayer, I would say virtually nothing compared to how much the royal gutter house already cost the UK and Commonwealth during the reign, but not rule, of QEII, who, when again compared to the involuntary largesse of the taxpayer, turned out to be a cheap screw herself in spite of all the billions invested in THE FIRM.

How much does 'anything' cost? We could always just spend nothing on anything and have nothing or anything...

[Dubious]

is this nonsense ever gonna end? every time i turn on the idiot box i see these buffoons marching down some street with the casket. these guys have put more marching miles in carrying that fuckin casket than they did in both world wars combined. and how much is this nonsense costing the tax payers?

...and it's lined with lead to boot requiring two more carriers. As for how much it's costing the taxpayer, I would say virtually nothing compared to how much the royal gutter house already cost the UK and Commonwealth during the reign, but not rule, of QEII, who, when again compared to the involuntary largesse of the taxpayer, turned out to be a cheap screw herself in spite of all the billions invested in THE FIRM.

How much does 'anything' cost? We could always just spend nothing on anything and have nothing or anything...

What does this even mean and what are you talking about!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

...and it's lined with lead to boot requiring two more carriers. As for how much it's costing the taxpayer, I would say virtually nothing compared to how much the royal gutter house already cost the UK and Commonwealth during the reign, but not rule, of QEII, who, when again compared to the involuntary largesse of the taxpayer, turned out to be a cheap screw herself in spite of all the billions invested in THE FIRM.

How much does 'anything' cost? We could always just spend nothing on anything and have nothing or anything...

What does this even mean and what are you talking about!

Sorry. Can't think of any other way to put it.