Schrodinger's Cat Thought Experiment

[roydop]

When you think that thoughts are too important, then you think that is there are no thought then there are no thing at all.

That is so so wrong.

When you turn off the thoughts, you just... turn off the thoughts.... you still have experience, sensations...., you still see, hear and feel.

The ego of "roydop" is too strong that it make him understand all wrong

When you are "awakened" or "enlightened", is just that the ego construct is gone, because is made of thoughs, and then you percieve all without judge, so you dont think in terms of "I am" or "you are", and that is where you understand that this "I am" is a construction and is not real.

And if you are not this "I am", then, what are you? That is what you may understand in that experience, because if nothing can define what you are but you are still being, existing, then MAYBE you are that "thing" that there is not a thing... and you understand the limits of knowledge, where there are two options:

1- Even if "I am" is not real, the experience start with the complex matter of the new born body.
2- "I am" is not real, and the experience is what start in the origin of the first matter.

But you dont go to another state, you dont experience "superposition". That is all just wrong understanding.


And you cannot conclude one theory or the other from the experience of being without thoughs, because it can be explained from the two theories.


roydop is just a person, like there are a lot, who have experience this, but dont understand that this experience doesnt make you smart instantly, you must to put all in orden, and that take time, study, understanding other theories, etc.


Dont make this theory more bad reputation, that it has bad reputation already.


Sorry for my english.

You keep coming back to thought/mind. I'm speaking of the TRANSCENDENCE of the voice in your head

That's it, that's all. Simple abidance in/as thought free Awareness

[henry quirk]

That there cat is neither dead nor alive.

Nope. Put Mr Snuggies in an airtight box. In that same box, put the machine designed to have a 50/50 chance of releasing/not releasing an aerosol poison. Set the timer of the machine to release/not release exactly 15 minutes after the box is sealed. Seal the box. Wait 20 minutes. Now, the machine has released its payload or it hasn't, so Mr Snuggles is dead or he's alive. But he's not both, simultaneously. He's not in some flux-state. Mr Snuggles is dead, or, he's alive.

Open the box only to see if he lives or is dead, not becuz your observation will collapse a wavefront...cuz it won't...cuz there ain't no wavefront to collapse.

But in the conceptual realm, the world of the known as concept, what is conceptually known is never absolute definitive truth, because that which is known knows absolutely nothing of truth. Truth is truthless.

Faux-zen hooey.

[Harbal]

If you don't believe in this stuff why do you keep trolling me?

It's not the stuff I don't believe in; it is you that are false. I don't know anything about the "stuff" you speak of, but I have a very strong sense that you don't know much about it, either.

Either contribute or go away

I am contributing. I am doing what I can to stop anyone getting sucked into your scam, although there doesn't seem much danger of that.

[Iwannaplato]

And yes, it does remove all emotion. T

And there it is in the open. A dualism that includes a distaste for emotion. How to cut yourself off from the limbic system

[Dontaskme]

And yes, it does remove all emotion. T

And there it is in the open. A dualism that includes a distaste for emotion. How to cut yourself off from the limbic system

Nope, Roy's message is nothing to do with the ideas you are responding with, neither is Roy talking about cutting yourself off from the limbic system...as if you could, I mean that would be a clever neat trick to pull off if you could, that is truly a dualistic notion if ever I heard one.

[Iwannaplato]

Nope, Roy's message is nothing to do with the ideas you are responding with, neither is Roy talking about cutting yourself off from the limbic system...as if you could, I mean that would be a clever neat trick to pull off if you could, that is truly a dualistic notion if ever I heard one.

Incorrect on several counts....

And yes, it does remove all emotion.

[Dontaskme]

That there cat is neither dead nor alive.

Nope. Put Mr Snuggies in an airtight box. In that same box, put the machine designed to have a 50/50 chance of releasing/not releasing an aerosol poison. Set the timer of the machine to release/not release exactly 15 minutes after the box is sealed. Seal the box. Wait 20 minutes. Now, the machine has released its payload or it hasn't, so Mr Snuggles is dead or he's alive. But he's not both, simultaneously. He's not in some flux-state. Mr Snuggles is dead, or, he's alive.

Open the box only to see if he lives or is dead, not becuz your observation will collapse a wavefront...cuz it won't...cuz there ain't no wavefront to collapse.

But in the conceptual realm, the world of the known as concept, what is conceptually known is never absolute definitive truth, because that which is known knows absolutely nothing of truth. Truth is truthless.

Faux-zen hooey.

More woo, just more concepts. You cannot know if you are alive or dead. It's just an illusion to think you can.

[Dontaskme]

Incorrect on several counts....

Only in your world, but not in my world.

Prove me wrong.

I cannot prove you are correct.

[Iwannaplato]

Only in your world, but not in my world.

Prove me wrong.

I cannot prove you are correct.

as Roy says

And yes, it does remove all emotion.

I am quoting him. If you disagree and are interested, you could take it up with the source.

[Dontaskme]

Only in your world, but not in my world.

Prove me wrong.

I cannot prove you are correct.

as Roy says

And yes, it does remove all emotion.

I am quoting him. If you disagree and are interested, you could take it up with the source.

You are the source..you do not have to petition for a request.

It removes all thought from awareness. Not cut them off completely...it removes the attachment to them.

[henry quirk]

You cannot know if you are alive or dead.

I can see your IQ droppin' with every post...and it wasn't perched on no lofty place to begin with.

Self-lobotomization, in real time.

[Dontaskme]

You cannot know if you are alive or dead.

I can see your IQ droppin' with every post...and it wasn't perched on no lofty place to begin with.

Self-lobotomization, in real time.

Sorry, but have you ever performed a lobotomy on your own being? have you ever been able to tell yourself you are dead?

That's what is being talked about here.

[Flannel Jesus]

Sally opens the box and sadly declares the state of a dead cat.

Roy opens the box without any thoughts entering his consciousness. He simply witnesses free from interpretation.

In Sally's world there is a dead cat and Roy's world is still in superposition.

A: Are there two worlds?

B: Which world is more fundamental?

It doesn't really matter what Roy thinks, when he opens the box the state of the insides of the box immediately start becoming entangled with the surrounding environment. It doesn't matter what kind of brain dead zombie Roy is.

The superposition only remains as long as the insides of the box are entirely unentangled with the outside

[henry quirk]

Sorry

Yes, you are.

have you ever performed a lobotomy on your own being?

Of course not. Only a terminally retarded person would consider such a thing.

have you ever been able to tell yourself you are dead?

Since I am quite happily ALIVE why would I do such a terminally retarded thing?

That's what is being talked about here.

So the topic is terminal retardation.

[henry quirk]

Sally opens the box and sadly declares the state of a dead cat.

Roy opens the box without any thoughts entering his consciousness. He simply witnesses free from interpretation.

In Sally's world there is a dead cat and Roy's world is still in superposition.

A: Are there two worlds?

B: Which world is more fundamental?

It doesn't really matter what Roy thinks, when he opens the box the state of the insides of the box immediately start becoming entangled with the surrounding environment. It doesn't matter what kind of brain dead zombie Roy is.

The superposition only remains as long as the insides of the box are entirely unentangled with the outside

That goddamn cat is alive or dead: it ain't both.