Someone, everyone, please take this seriously.

[Dontaskme]

You assume I do not know the state you are describing. But I do.

And from the inside. You assume that I haven't met other people like this. But I have.

And again, you are assuming I cannot be silent, cannot have thought free awareness.

I am silent and non-verbal

I already learned long ago

Just to remind you.

All this thread topic is Pointing to is the indescribable pure state of thought free awareness, of lasting permanent true bliss, harmony and happiness, and that it is your natural state. And that is it Not something to get, nor chase after. It is Not something someone else can give to you, and not something you can give to someone else.

Happiness is YOU always here right now. Look back at your own words above in the quote box, you know it, you already know it.

roydop wrote:
I don't mind, but you're wrong. You're wrong because I live a perfect life. I experience next to no suffering or anxiety, and spend most of my time in/as Absolute (not dependent upon circumstances) Happiness.

Roy knows it too.

To which Iwannaplato responded with...

Absolute happiness. Nah

Seems like you know it, but you don't want it.

NOW... just shut the dam trap already why don't you.



BUT BUT BUTT I wanted to see the Ray of sunshine shine out of my arse.

[Harbal]

All this thread topic is Pointing to is the indescribable pure state of thought free awareness,

But that isn't something Roy came up with.

that it is your natural state.

On what evidence do you base that assertion.

[Dontaskme]

All this thread topic is Pointing to is the indescribable pure state of thought free awareness,

But that isn't something Roy came up with.

NO CONCEPTUAL thing comes up with these things, they are just known within the experience.

Bliss is the permanent happy place. Suffering or pain is only temporal, and what is temporal will pass away. But the happy place, the good place, never passes away.

that it is your natural state.

On what evidence do you base that assertion.

On self-evidence. Here, right now. I cannot lie. It's right here, right now. It's the truth can you feel it?

[Harbal]

But that isn't something Roy came up with.

NO CONCEPTUAL thing comes up with these things, they are just known within the experience.

My point is: Roy might have posted a thread, and made a video, in which he refers to thoughtless awareness, but he didn't come up with that idea, so he doesn't deserve any credit for it.

Bliss is the permanent happy place. Suffering or pain is only temporal, and what is temporal will pass away. But the happy place, the good place, never passes away.

Doesn't that sound lovely? Just the sort of thing one might make up were one trying to make oneself feel all warm and fuzzy.

On self-evidence. Here, right now. I cannot lie. It's right here, right now. It's the truth can you feel it?

No.

[Iwannaplato]

No one ever forced you to do.

I know this and have said it. It doesn't seem like you read what you respond to.

[Iwannaplato]

Just to remind you.

All this thread topic is Pointing to is the indescribable pure state of thought free awareness, of lasting permanent true bliss, harmony and happiness, and that it is your natural state. And that is it Not something to get, nor chase after. It is Not something someone else can give to you, and not something you can give to someone else.

Yah, yah. I never said anything to indicate otherwise. But that state is not all you are pointing at often with judgmental fingers.

To which Iwannaplato responded with...

Absolute happiness. Nah

Seems like you know it, but you don't want it.

Misinterpreted.

NOW... just shut the dam trap already why don't you.

LOL. Still telling me what to do.

BUT BUT BUTT I wanted to see the Ray of sunshine shine out of my arse.

You don't know enough to speak for me, but that sentence might be perfect for yourself. There are some very talented writers who do not seem to need to blame and huff and give orders and tell people to shut up or go away who have written excellent metaphors and clever little stories. So, these Hallmark versions of your are not necessary and they seem kinda desperate.

[Dontaskme]

Just to remind you.

All this thread topic is Pointing to is the indescribable pure state of thought free awareness, of lasting permanent true bliss, harmony and happiness, and that it is your natural state. And that is it Not something to get, nor chase after. It is Not something someone else can give to you, and not something you can give to someone else.

Yah, yah. I never said anything to indicate otherwise. But that state is not all you are pointing at often with judgmental fingers.

The OP is pointing to the thought free state of pure awareness, the bliss and natural state.
The happy place, the good place.

Take it or leave it. It's your choice. I'm taking it with open arms, without any reason to doubt it. I know it to be the truth.
I just didn't always give the truth the attention it deserves. But Roy's message has made me see things differently, it's made me think more about what I give my attention to, and to see clearly what not to give my mind to.

Thanks to Roy's message I now understand that happiness is a permanent state and that it is our true nature. And as from now I will give it my full undivided attention. Absolute happiness, gets a big thumbs up from me, it get a huge like from this one here.
YES YES YES

To which Iwannaplato responded with...

Absolute happiness. Nah

Ok suit yourself.

There are some very talented writers who do not seem to need to blame and huff and give orders and tell people to shut up or go away who have written excellent metaphors and clever little stories. So, these Hallmark versions of your are not necessary and they seem kinda desperate.

I'm sure you are right about that.

There are also some very talented writers that get told their writing is crap.

But each to their own taste. You are judging again, you have spoken your mind... so I really hope you do not mind if I don't give your mind any of my mind? ...and it's probs best to not give your mind to my mind either, it's obvious we do not appear to get along that well.

Ever heard of book critics? Each to their own is my motto.

Right now I couldn't give a monkey about other peoples writing skills....I'm only interested in Roy's videos, and his excellent verbal and writing skills, and the way he expains stuff in his videos has me totally hooked. So much so that I cannot look away, it's like I'm super glued to his amazing presence...it's unprecedented the way Roy is able to capture and hold my attention like that...not many people have been able do that for me, I didn't even know Roy made videos until he posted them to this thread....Now, I'm thinking about reading his book too, the book he has personally authored.

The OP is what I am here to focus on...nothing else.
That's all I'm here for.

[Dontaskme]

My point is: Roy might have posted a thread, and made a video, in which he refers to thoughtless awareness, but he didn't come up with that idea, so he doesn't deserve any credit for it.

What Roy's video is showing, belongs to all of us, no one individual came up with this idea alone, and then claimed it as their own personal idea. The idea belongs to all of us. It is all of us...we know this because we all are aware, we know awareness because we are awareness. I'm very certain you are aware just like I am aware, just like Roy is aware.
So I personally think the OP deserves all the attention I can give it. The common denominator is that we all share the same awareness. Or can you think of someone you know who does not have awareness, is not aware, so to speak?

And you are entiled to your own opinion about the OP, but that will not change my view on the matter.

Bliss is the permanent happy place. Suffering or pain is only temporal, and what is temporal will pass away. But the happy place, the good place, never passes away.

Doesn't that sound lovely? Just the sort of thing one might make up were one trying to make oneself feel all warm and fuzzy.

Well, if you say so, but when I get goosebumps appearing all over my body, I'm pretty darn certain I am not making those goosbumps come up.

On self-evidence. Here, right now. I cannot lie. It's right here, right now. It's the truth can you feel it?

No.

Oh well, no worries, because I do....here, in this one, it's self evidence. I feel sensation...and that is all the evidence I need, it's enough.

[Harbal]

And you are entiled to your own opinion about the OP,

My opinion is that he is a bit of a dick head, but I've come across much worse than him. And thank you for giving me the entitlement to say that.

[Iwannaplato]

Ok suit yourself.

Misinterpreted, again. I mean, I get it. My 'nah' could have been more clearly placed in a full sentence. But hey, if you enjoy repeating mistakes, good for you.

There are also some very talented writers that get told their writing is crap.

Yes, true. Though I never called your writing or Roy's crap.

But each to their own taste. You are judging again, you have spoken your mind... so I really hope you do not mind if I don't give your mind any of my mind? ...and it's probs best to not give your mind to my mind either, it's obvious we do not appear to get along that well.

Great, same ball park on something.

Ever heard of book critics? Each to their own is my motto.

Ever hear of people critics?

Right now I couldn't give a monkey about other peoples writing skills....

Well, you focused on it a lot. You continue to surprise by how much you focus on things you do not care about.

I'm only interested in Roy's videos,

Your behavior here screams otherwise. That you also have other interest.

and his excellent verbal and writing skills,

See, I knew you cared about that, regardless of what you said.

and the way he expains stuff in his videos has me totally hooked.

I don't know how you could have missed this: I know that you respect his writing and videos and 'him' very, very much. There is no need to keep telling me. It begins to sound like you are trying to convince someone else you really feel this way. I do read your posts.

So much so that I cannot look away,

Well, yes you can and do.

it's like I'm super glued to his amazing presence...it's unprecedented the way Roy is able to capture and hold my attention like that...not many people have been able do that for me, I didn't even know Roy made videos until he posted them to this thread....Now, I'm thinking about reading his book too, the book he has personally authored.

The OP is what I am here to focus on...nothing else.
That's all I'm here for.

I hear you. I won't be upset at all if this is true and if that focus takes you away from reading my posts. Or if you contradict yourself. It's all good.

[Dontaskme]

And you are entiled to your own opinion about the OP,

My opinion is that he is a bit of a dick head, but I've come across much worse than him. And thank you for giving me the entitlement to say that.

You're welcome.

And thank you for not crediting Roy for having come up with something he has played no part in. He's just not that entitled.

[Dontaskme]

Iwannaplato

I have absolutely no idea what you are blabbering on about when you speak to me these days.

But it's ok, always feel free to get it all off your chest. Incoherent babble is all water of a ducks back to me, I'm only interested in Roy's voice right now.

Just sayin...

[Walker]

What irritates Roy is your resistance to what he knows is of great benefit to everyone, and this creates frustration, which is an element of duhkha.

It is my opinion that what irritates Roy is the resistence he is encountering in his efforts to recruit folks into his own little cult.. He wants to be looked up to and followed, and it just isn't working out for him.

You may be correct, which would make him the unwitting agent of the wrathful guardians that protect the truth of what’s precious, protect not by persuasion to understand, but rather by driving away casual tourists, even at the sacrifice of personal ego status.

[Iwannaplato]

I'm only interested in Roy's voice right now.

Clearly this is not true.

[Dontaskme]

I'm only interested in Roy's voice right now.

Clearly this is not true.

Well it is true now.

Yes, there was a time past when I wasn't giving Roy the attention he deserved, but now I've watched his videos, I'm all ears.

I might have not given his theory any of my mind in the past, but now, my mind has been changed, and I'm now going to give his theory my full undivided attention. It's changed my mind about how I once used to view things.

Something about Roy's theory clicked for me, a something that has been missing, but now I am whole again...thanks to Roy.

Watching the videos is what clicked for me, something in the data being presented, and how it was being delivered by Roy, changed my mind.

I've listened to many non-dual speakers, but Roy was someone different, it was a spoken word, put in a way I had not heard before by other nondual speakers, and it was like wow...I knew exactly what he was talking about. I just thought wow, that's it.