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commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:57 pm Religions were born to explain what appeared to be supernatural, and grew to include customs and ceremonies. What that had to do with nihilistic existential anguish is beyond me.
The explanation for what appears supernatural is to try to put reality in order.
The believer in a religion gets an answer from it that clarifies the meaning of life.
It is for this reason that he believes.

But why does the believer want an answer?

In my opinion he wants it because evil exists.
And meaningless evil is hard to bear.
A distressing situation that can find a remedy in religion.

Without an explanation, life appears at the mercy of nonsense and therefore ultimately nothing has value: nihilism.

If we read the myth of Adam and Eve in Genesis, considering that the voice of God is the same mind as the two protagonists, we can see how the evolution of man, with the development of rationality, has also led to nihilism.
To which the Bible itself provides a remedy.

But beyond the explanation that refers to the supernatural, flashes of intuition also appear in the Bible that are no longer remedies. But they directly question the individual in his interiority.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:31 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:57 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:33 am

So what is the reason for religions?

Why were they born?

Weren't they born as a remedy for nihilistic existential anguish?
A remedy that is now ineffective. In fact the gods have fled.

Replaced by what?
By the technique.
Which, however, understood in this way expresses the delirium of the will to power.

This is a philosophical forum.
Jokes can be fun, but then we
need to confront ourself in the concrete.
Religions were born to explain what appeared to be supernatural, and grew to include customs and ceremonies. What that had to do with nihilistic existential anguish is beyond me.
You have no evidence for that trajectory.
Where such evidence of NRM are available tell a different story.
What is NRM?
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:31 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:57 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:33 am

So what is the reason for religions?

Why were they born?

Weren't they born as a remedy for nihilistic existential anguish?
A remedy that is now ineffective. In fact the gods have fled.

Replaced by what?
By the technique.
Which, however, understood in this way expresses the delirium of the will to power.

This is a philosophical forum.
Jokes can be fun, but then we
need to confront ourself in the concrete.
Religions were born to explain what appeared to be supernatural, and grew to include customs and ceremonies. What that had to do with nihilistic existential anguish is beyond me.
You have no evidence for that trajectory.
Where such evidence of NRM are available tell a different story.
Sculptor, thanks for calling me out. My only reference was my childhood indoctrination. Why is my trajectory incorrect?
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commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:49 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:31 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:57 pm

Religions were born to explain what appeared to be supernatural, and grew to include customs and ceremonies. What that had to do with nihilistic existential anguish is beyond me.
You have no evidence for that trajectory.
Where such evidence of NRM are available tell a different story.
What is NRM?
New Religious Movement (the sort of thing that's hard to differntiate from a cult)
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commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:57 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:33 am
bobmax wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:27 pm Without Oxygen there is no murder.
Does that mean you attribute murder to oxygen?
Let me answer that for you.... NO!
So what is the reason for religions?

Why were they born?

Weren't they born as a remedy for nihilistic existential anguish?
A remedy that is now ineffective. In fact the gods have fled.

Replaced by what?
By the technique.
Which, however, understood in this way expresses the delirium of the will to power.

This is a philosophical forum.
Jokes can be fun, but then we
need to confront ourself in the concrete.
Religions were born to explain what appeared to be supernatural, and grew to include customs and ceremonies. What that had to do with nihilistic existential anguish is beyond me.
A more likely theory is psilocybin, which self-serving politicians decided it was a good idea to outlaw and deny humankind access to. No wonder the human race seems to be collectively suicidal.
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commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:49 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:31 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:57 pm

Religions were born to explain what appeared to be supernatural, and grew to include customs and ceremonies. What that had to do with nihilistic existential anguish is beyond me.
You have no evidence for that trajectory.
Where such evidence of NRM are available tell a different story.
What is NRM?
New Religious Movements.
I thought you knew about the subject.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:18 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:49 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:31 pm

You have no evidence for that trajectory.
Where such evidence of NRM are available tell a different story.
What is NRM?
New Religious Movement (the sort of thing that's hard to differntiate from a cult)
No that is not true.
Christianity and Islam were both NRMs in their own time.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:14 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:18 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:49 pm

What is NRM?
New Religious Movement (the sort of thing that's hard to differntiate from a cult)
No that is not true.
Christianity and Islam were both NRMs in their own time.
The difference between a religion and a cult is a matter of how long the founder had been dead for really.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:42 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:14 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:18 pm
New Religious Movement (the sort of thing that's hard to differntiate from a cult)
No that is not true.
Christianity and Islam were both NRMs in their own time.
The difference between a religion and a cult is a matter of how long the founder had been dead for really.
Actually NO.

There is no practical difference between a religion and a cult except social acceptability, and legal definition.
It's only a cult if there is a media campaign against it. "Cult " tends to be pejorative, but is still basically the same as any other religion
Definition:

1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
2. a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society.

Back to the point, ??
common sense said:
Religions were born to explain what appeared to be supernatural, and grew to include customs and ceremonies. What that had to do with nihilistic existential anguish is beyond me.

I responded:
You have no evidence for that trajectory.
Where such evidence of NRM are available tell a different story.


Since we do not have much evidence for when religions were "born", I suggested looking at NRM. Islam would be a good example. It's all about stricter moral codes, and did not even attempt to explain supernatural phenomena.
I do not know who introduced the idea of "existential anguish" but I would have said that the Prophet had plenty of angst.
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Buck Dharma disagrees...

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"The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own." - Zappa, Frank
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promethean75 wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:39 pm "The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own." - Zappa, Frank
Quite a good summary.
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An example of TDS:
“But there is no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans *, and that is a threat to this country.”
- J.R. Biden, POTUS, 9-1-22, Independence Hall, Philadelphia.


* "MAGA Republicans" is a TDS-created term defined by the TDS-afflicted.
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“That’s why respected conservatives, like Federal Circuit Court Judge Michael Luttig, has called Trump and the extreme MAGA Republicans, quote, a ‘clear and present danger’ to our democracy. – Biden’s speech.
Commentary:

The TDS formula:
- Define, isolate, demonize, persecute … and then prosecute.
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A dark speech, billed as fighting for the soul of America, delivered with anger in shades of dark red and heavy black shadows, held together with loopy logic.

Sounds and looks rather evil.

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