Christianity

[Belinda]

Maybe it would be helpful to remind that by "consciousness" most people mean waking awareness

[phyllo]

It isn't a joke and it isn't funny.

[Sculptor]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The UK is still a Christian country.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.

[Harry Baird]

It isn't a joke and it isn't funny.

EXACTLY. I rescind my prior remark. It's not a joke to accuse another man of being psychotic. Accusations like that have consequences. They can get people locked up against their will. So, phyllo: take your accusation and shove it where the sun don't shine.

[phyllo]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The UK is still a Christian country.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.

I'm going to have to report you to a moderator for making a post which is relevant to the subject of this thread.

[phyllo]

It isn't a joke and it isn't funny.

EXACTLY. I rescind my prior remark. It's not a joke to accuse another man of being psychotic. Accusations like that have consequences. They can get people locked up against their will. So, phyllo: take your accusation and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Stop acting like a lunatic and you won't get locked up.

[Harry Baird]

Stop acting like a lunatic and you won't get locked up.

Stop cosying up to fools and you won't be taken for one.

[attofishpi]

The UK is still a Christian country.
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.

Although it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.

Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings. ..and if you think those elites are men actual theists, think again.

[Sculptor]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The UK is still a Christian country.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.

I'm going to have to report you to a moderator for making a post which is relevant to the subject of this thread.

Please don't I do not want to be banned!!!

[Belinda]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The UK is still a Christian country.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.

Is it possible to know to what extent and with which demographic the Xian moral code is still the goal of good behaviour?

[Sculptor]

The UK is still a Christian country.
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.

Although it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.

Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.

I'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.
You can thanks the skeptics and atheists for that.

[attofishpi]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The UK is still a Christian country.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.

Is it possible to know to what extent and with which demographic the Xian moral code is still the goal of good behaviour?

FFS, read my post above.

[attofishpi]

The UK is still a Christian country.
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.

Although it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.

Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.

I'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.
You can thanks the skeptics and atheists for that.

...and that will lead us down the path of more corruption and elitism - so thanks a fucking lot!

[Sculptor]

Although it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.

Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.

I'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.
You can thanks the skeptics and atheists for that.

...and that will lead us down the path of more corruption and elitism - so thanks a fucking lot!

LOL

Seriously?/
WTF do you actually see here??

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What part of elitist has you not noticed?

The church is the most corrupt and elitist.

[Belinda]

The UK is still a Christian country.
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.

Although it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.

Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.

I'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.
You can thanks the skeptics and atheists for that.

Free of the old authority, free of theocracy, yes, insofar as we in the west underwent a scientific enlightenment. However all societies need their moral code whatever that be. Modern Humanism arose via the Protestant tradition and the subsequent age of reason.