Someone, everyone, please take this seriously.

[Dontaskme]

What might Roy mean by ''Delusion'' (an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality.) Which to be fair, is an accurate assessment considering humans are egoic by nature. We are definitely under the spell of do what I say and not what I do, listen to me and do as I say mentality, we are all plugged into some kind of matrix mentality where there is a perpretator / victim kind of delusion taking over the whole human education system which is made up soley of a rote learning system, and damned are those who dare to ever upset the apple cart and think outside the box.

Don't you see how ironic this is? What is Roy doing if he isn't saying, "do as I say"? Roy wants you to stop doing what someone else says, and start doing what he says. And Roy isn't encouraging you to "think outside the box", he is trying to get you to think inside his box.

I do understand what you are saying, and meaning by ironic, and you would be right to say that in the illusory sense there is an assumed separate self here, and many other separate selves all trying to show each other their truth and wanting everyone else to see that truth the way it it seen only from the perspective of each person. As separate selves, we are all guilty of doing that. However, nothing matters, we all know the truth, and when we are in our own truth, there is absolutely nothing else happening in the world as far as we are concerned.. We can only live in our own world. As I've said before, there can be an overlapping where individual truths merge together and are recognised and seen as one truth, and that would be what I call resonating. Seeing that everyone is you, and you are everyone on a much deeper level of understanding consciousness...sorry I'm rambling on...and you probably have no idea what I'm talking about, and that's fine.

I'm not looking at this from a personal sense of separate self bias opinionated veiw points....I'm seeing it from a place beyond the relative which from my personal direct experience is an illusory delusional way of seeing the true nature of reality.

[Sculptor]

What is "it" in your first sentence?

The same 'it' in the last sentence of what I quoted from you.

"IT" is a garbled mess you mean?

If you think he has achieved something profound then you ought to be able to say what it is?

I mean, my it came right after your it. Your 'it' in a question. My 'it' a statement.

But I have said what my "it" is. you have not said what your "it" is.

What it is, that is it, that is not in his arguments or videos?
Why can you not summarise?
If he has an idea then you ought to be able to convey what that is, otherwise its no more than rambling nonsense.

I don't think I said it was an idea - as can be seen in what you quoted - and then I go on in the post you are responding to here to explain. Why leave in this part of your post when the answer comes later in the post. Yes, you disagreed to what I wrote later, but why leave this waste in? (rhetorical, I'm not interested in the why, for you to mull or not)

He is in a state of confusion, and trying to undermine the only thing capable of giving clarity to the world; language itself.
You have no justification nor evidence for making these claims.

I said it was a guess. Did you read what I wrote. Further, it seems that for you it is binary. There are problems, so he is merely in a state of confusion. It might be the case. But you just state it and a pure and simple truth. But you want justification for my claims. My claims that I call a guess.

Your guess is content-less, as is his video.

Ah, here's he Sculptor I know. Well, it was a nice hiatus, but you're back.

RoyD is a deeply disturbed person, possibly schizophrenic.

I doubt that he is a schizophrenic. He might be deeply disturbed.

He is inviting ridicule and derision, which is most likely going to lead him to more personal harm.

Pretty much anyone posting anything these days is inviting those things.

His chains of thought remind me much of my brother who suffered from schizophrenia his whole adult life.

He has nothing but mental confusion. He is not a genius.
Oh, gosh. What a good point. Only I didn't call him a genius. You seem to think mental only deals with IQ.

Tutut. You compared him to many special thinkers. Gosh I did not mention "IQ". What on earth do you think that has to do with Schizophrenia - shame on you!
What a bad response!

I'm sorry about your brother,

No you are not.

I know from personal and professional experience that having a family member with schizophrenia can be unbelievably painful. One's own pain from what happens and empathetic pain and helplessness on their account. It isn't always that bad but it can be.

I doubt Roy Dopson is a schizophrenic. But there wasn't enough interaction here for me to be sure. He does not seem to be one in his other videos. He seems to coherent in his interview, for example. But it could have been a good day.

Like most mental illnesses S is on a spectrum moderated and mitigated by the individual experience and the drugs which may help to adjust symptoms. RoyD is a schizophrenic.

That he 'has nothing but mental confusion' is also a guess. But I suppose that's good enough for the goose, for some reason.

I'm gonna ignore you for a while. It's seems like it is extremes with you, complete dismissals or, somewhat tolerated acceptance. I haven't really seen anything else. Probably occasionally the right assessments on your part, though here I doubt it, but it's unpleasant to deal with - oh, God, will the response include a 'the truth can be unpleasant' useless rejoinder?

Well, I won't know.

When a person makes a video about something, there ought to be something you can say to explain what it is they are trying to say.
Case closed.

[Dontaskme]

Mathematics is perhaps the best manifestation of logical / rational thinking.
It is precious, because it is indispensable for our interpretation of how the world works.

However, it is a grave misunderstanding to consider mathematics an absolute truth.

Mathematics is only a useful tool.
And like all tools it is used to take a few steps forward, but then it has to be abandoned.

Cantor diagonal argument is essentially incorrect.
In fact, it treats the infinite as if it were a thing. Which is absurd!

The universe is mathematical.

0 is the only real number, all else is an imaginary number. For how can 1 exist.


Infinity is a thing. Infinity is the thing right now that is saying Infinity is not because Infinity is an absurd thing.

There is nothing absurd about the thing you are right now, as and through the direct experience of knowing thing. You are that knowing.


Knowing can never know nothing, not a thing, no thing. And when 1 thing is known, every thing is known.

Death is an illusion, nothing is dead because nothing lives. There is here only pure thoughtfree awareness, the absolute. This pure immediate ALIVENESS..the only known thing aka existence itself.

[Iwannaplato]

I really hope he does come back, but then my commonsense is telling me that he will want to stay away, and not get too mired into all the back and forth, going absolutely nowhere mental noise that is philosophical disscusion, which is delusion anyway...so I cannot blame him for not wanting to get caught up in that trap...that said, I hope he's still reading the comments left of his threads, to see that he is changing the minds of some people, namely mine.

Why wouldn't you then stay away and not get mired in all the back and forth? (and that is not me asking you to leave. You call that choice common sense) Also you say he is changing your mind, but you have said you got what he was describing years and years ago. I understand how wonderful it can be to find other souls who have the same ideas, but what has he changed in your mind?

You explanation does not really fit this other quote...

roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and the wisdom he shares continues to go unrecognized by academia

If I had hair I would be pulling it out

I fail to see the relevance of this quote has in relation to what I said...So who said Roy was greastest philospher of all time? do you know who said that?

He did. It's a direct quote from the part of a twitter post he wrote. He, who has no hair, referring to himself in the third person.

[Dontaskme]

Why wouldn't you then stay away and not get mired in all the back and forth? (and that is not me asking you to leave. You call that choice common sense) Also you say he is changing your mind, but you have said you got what he was describing years and years ago. I understand how wonderful it can be to find other souls who have the same ideas, but what has he changed in your mind?

Ok, allow me to clarify...I got years ago, the nondual message, it was just the suffering and evil part I was struggling with. And believe me when I tell you I really really have and still do struggle with the suffering part of being a sentient feeling organism, so much so I even started to lean toward the idea of Anti-Natalism and adopt that method as the only way to snuff out ''Suffering''

That was up until I met Roy, which I have only recently become aware he has made loads of videos. After watching two of them last night that I have already mentioned up thread, something he said in the video really clicked for me, it was like a huge jaw-dropping moment for me, took my breath away...and it was that what he had said, that just completely changed my mind about the suffering in the world. So it's only until now, or yesterday in fact that I now see what he meant when he said ''Suffering'' can end for good. He's right, I believe him 100%, he's just darn right. But I'm only saying he is right, because I perfectly understand where he is coming from when he discusses this subject in his Youtube videos, which I have subscribed to only last night. What I'm trying to say is that I had not heard it spoken about in the way Roy did, I'd not heard in that way before, and it blew me away, I totally agreed with the way he spoke about how to end 'suffering' once and for all,that's all.

What did he say that changed my mind...Something about ENDGAME and that the reason and purpose of our life is to get of the game...and I was like ...that's it...BINGO!! that was the missing piece of the puzzle for me anyway.

He did. It's a direct quote from the part of a twitter post he wrote. He, who has no hair, referring to himself in the third person.

Ah, ok thanks for the clarification. So he wrote it himself...and to be fair, honestly I agree with that statement, and understand why he would have wrote that.

I think we are all the greatest philosphers, all of us are, we just haven't yet realised it, except for those who have, which is Roy, and myself...and who ever else wants to add their name to the list of greatness.


As for staying here in the mire...I do not know how to make Youtube videos, so I am choosing this platform to get the truth out there, and is why I choose to stay on the forum. I want to do my part, that's all.

As they say in STARSHIP TROOPERS ... Are you doing your part!!




I've been combat ready nearly all my life. There is a war on for your mind.

[Iwannaplato]

Ok, allow me to clarify...I got years ago, the nondual message, it was just the suffering and evil part I was struggling with. And believe me when I tell you I really really have and still do struggle with the suffering part of being a sentient feeling organism, so much so I even started to lean toward the idea of Anti-Natalism and adopt that method as the only way to snuff out ''Suffering''

Yes, I saw some of the antinatalism posts. I thought it didn't quite fit with Roy, but I see now it is evolving.

That was up until I met Roy, which I have only recently become aware he has made loads of videos. After watching two of them last night that I have already mentioned up thread, something he said in the video really clicked for me, it was like a huge jaw-dropping moment for me, took my breath away...and it was that what he had said, that just completely changed my mind about the suffering in the world. So it's only until now, or yesterday in fact that I now see what he meant when he said ''Suffering'' can end for good. He's right, I believe him 100%, he's just darn right. But I'm only saying he is right, because I perfectly understand where he is coming from when he discusses this subject in his Youtube videos, which I have subscribed to only last night. What I'm trying to say is that I had not heard it spoken about in the way Roy did, I'd not heard in that way before, and it blew me away, I totally agreed with the way he spoke about how to end 'suffering' once and for all,that's all.

What did he say that changed my mind...Something about ENDGAME and that the reason and purpose of our life is to get of the game...and I was l ike ...that's it...BINGO!! that was the missing piece of the puzzle for me anyway.

What I can get out of this is you thought suffering was a permanent feature of reality and now you don't. I am not sure why, in other words what anything he said was and why this was convincing. And I gotta say Dontaskme, I brought up this difference between both of you quite a while ago and you denied it any importance at all. But I'm glad you could change your mind in that direction.

Ah, ok thanks for the clarification. So he wrote it himself...and to be fair, honestly I agree with that statement, and understand why he would have wrote that.

I think we are all the greatest philosphers, all of us are, we just haven't yet realised it, except for those who have, which is Roy, and myself...and who ever else wants to add their name to the list of greatness.

Again that doesn't make sense to me, that he could have meant it that way. It would be a very odd way to word it. But, as usual, we need him to let us know, should he be willing and self-aware enough to know.

As for staying here in the mire...I do not know how to make Youtube videos, so I am choosing this platform to get the truth out there, and is why I choose to stay on the forum. I want to do my part, that's all.

Well, he could stay here also for the same reason. Not many are watching his videos.

As they say in STARSHIP TROOPERS ... Are you doing your part!!

A film that was nearly entirely ironic.

I've been combat ready nearly all my life. There is a war on for your mind.

I think there are several wars for my mind going on

[Dontaskme]

''roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and the wisdom he shares continues to go unrecognized by academia

If I had hair I would be pulling it out''

The startling truth is...Roy is absolutely right to say that.

Because not one of us can die. Because not one of us have been born.

However, if we know we have been born, then we will surely die, except we have never known death.

Which leaves only ALIVENESS here forever and ever....and that aliveness is the ABSOLUTE...so if we want to stay ALIVE here in the game, in this absolute aliveness, and not go extinct, then we have to change our ways, and stop all the hurting, and the greed, and take only what we need, and leave wanting what we do not need forever.

The ENDGAME, is the end of suffering....and I think that's what roy meant by ENDGAME

[Dontaskme]

Not many are watching his videos.

Maybe because nonduality is becoming too popular now we have the internet. The nondual speakers are popping up all over the place, so people are being choosy as to who to listen to....but it's like with everything of value in life, some things are worth more than other things, and worth walking the extra mile for to find. To know that there are gold in them there hills, but you have to be a good miner at digging deep until you have found exactly what you are looking for. I have found Roy's videos.

And not many followers because Nonduality is not a cult, it has nothing to offer you in the way of getting something. The only thing it offers you is if you are willing to get what it is not offering you.

And that kind of philosophy does not have many followers. Followers only follow if they think they are being led somewhere, and that there is somewhere to go and something to get. But nonduality flips that upside down and says you do not get anything, this gets you.

Nonduality is not a belief system, it is something that does away with all belief systems, and for that reason it does not have any followers, except for those who know what is being pointed to.

[Iwannaplato]

Not many are watching his videos.

Maybe because nonduality is becoming too popular now we have the internet. The nondual speakers are popping up all over the place, so people are being choosy as to who to listen to....but it's like with everything of value in life, some things are worth more than other things, and worth walking the extra mile for to find. To know that there are gold in them there hills, but you have to be a good miner at digging deep until you have found exactly what you are looking for. I have found Roy's videos.

And not many followers because Nonduality is not a cult, it has nothing to offer you in the way of getting something. The only thing it offers you is if you are willing to get what it is not offering you.

And that kind of philosophy does not have many followers. Followers only follow if they think they are being led somewhere, and that there is somewhere to go and something to get. But nonduality flips that upside down and says you do not get anything, this gets you.

Nonduality is not a belief system, it is something that does away with all belief systems, and for that reason it does not have any followers, except for those who know what is being pointed to.

But my point was that if it makes sense for you to spread the word here, it would make sense for him to. I am not blaming him for not having many followers or views.

[Dontaskme]

But my point was that if it makes sense for you to spread the word here, it would make sense for him to.

Yes, I agree, but it depends on how people are able to spread their time. I've got all the time in the day, so it is easy for me to show up, but for others, they may not have much time to spend here.

I am not blaming him for not having many followers or views.

I know that, I know.

[Harbal]

The ENDGAME, is the end of suffering....and I think that's what roy meant by ENDGAME

I can't help wondering what you, or Roy, are thinking of when you talk of suffering.

[Dontaskme]

I can't help wondering what you, or Roy, are thinking of when you talk of suffering.

First of all, I understand that the universe is absolute and lacks nothing - is fully self sufficient - complete and whole in every instance - needs nothing or wants anything.It simply is what it is without condition or expectation or judgement or preference. It's pure thought free awareness empty of idea - empty of human mentally constructed content.

Now..I cannot speak for Roy's life experience. But for my own life experience, suffering was always wanting things to be different from the way they are.



For Example: I do not want pain - but there is pain whether I want it or not. I do not want animals to be tortured by other animals or be killed by humans for food - but they are.

I sometimes do not want to be alive - but I am.

I do not want the man I married to ever leave me for another person - but he did.

I could give endless examples of wanting things to be different than they are. And that is what I personally mean by suffering. It's not accepting life exactly as it is, but rather wanting it to be something it is not.

And Roy has helped me to transcend this mental sphere of preference to abide in thought free awareness which is the absolute.


That does not mean I sit on the top of a mountain like a solitary monk away from all other live forms and never interact with them ever again. I still interact with the world, but abstain completely from having an expection that it could be different or from thinking I could change it..and just accepting it as it is unconditionally exactly how it is.

And so end my suffering....or something like that.

[Iwannaplato]

The ENDGAME, is the end of suffering....and I think that's what roy meant by ENDGAME

I can't help wondering what you, or Roy, are thinking of when you talk of suffering.

I looked at his twitter account, Roy's that is, and found that he thinks civilization is about the crash. I'd like to black box the probability of that, but I wonder what big difference it would make for us if, as he seems to think, most of us will die. Yes, we might be calm as we starve or are overrun by hordes of armed maniacs, or burn up in nuclear fife - one of the possible endgames was all out war with China.

[Dontaskme]

The ENDGAME, is the end of suffering....and I think that's what roy meant by ENDGAME

I can't help wondering what you, or Roy, are thinking of when you talk of suffering.

I looked at his twitter account, Roy's that is, and found that he thinks civilization is about the crash. I'd like to black box the probability of that, but I wonder what big difference it would make for us if, as he seems to think, most of us will die. Yes, we might be calm as we starve or are overrun by hordes of armed maniacs, or burn up in nuclear fife - one of the possible endgames was all out war with China.

I agree with Roy...and you do not have to believe these things, you can see them happening if you are fully aware.

Human cilvilisations have always ended in collapse since the dawn of human civilisation.

Some people are just in denial of what can be seen as clear as day is light and night is dark.

[Harbal]

I looked at his twitter account, Roy's that is, and found that he thinks civilization is about the crash. I'd like to black box the probability of that, but I wonder what big difference it would make for us if, as he seems to think, most of us will die. Yes, we might be calm as we starve or are overrun by hordes of armed maniacs, or burn up in nuclear fife - one of the possible endgames was all out war with China.

People have been saying the end of the world is nigh throughout most of history; I daresay somebody will say it one day and inadvertently be right.