Someone, everyone, please take this seriously.

[Iwannaplato]

Owing to, sometimes transatlantic, delays as to when posts appear, it could have easily been directed at another.

Oh, yes.

And I should remind you that "swine" is also a plural.

Oh, yes. And the original, Biblical was plural I believe. Further given that he has no posted since, it has that air.

Since he was not responding to me directly I have no reason to suspect that the comment was meant specifically for me.

Oh, I don't want you to think I want you to take it personally. The issue for me was more that it was aimed at a person or people here. Yes, delays in posts could have meant he was reacting to someone else. But generally speaking that's where I would start. And if I wrote something like that right after the wrong person's post, I'd clarify. So, my bringing it up with him, and I think Harbal did too, gives him a chance to be clear.

He seems to think he can take-down language itself and the basis of all meaning. These are the very tools by which he also tries to convey his own argument. I have to say that this is the most clear example of shooting oneself in the foot I have ever seen.

And for me I was struck by what I think is the hubris of saying that he is about to argue for a fundamental paradigm shift and seems to know minds can be resistant to these things, yet thinks by the end of two short videos if you don't get it, then you don't even want to - this with a couple of insults tossed into the mix. I am skeptical that a person who has the answer to human suffering would be so confused. But hey, I will read his answers, should they come.

[Sculptor]

Owing to, sometimes transatlantic, delays as to when posts appear, it could have easily been directed at another.

Oh, yes.

And I should remind you that "swine" is also a plural.

Oh, yes. And the original, Biblical was plural I believe. Further given that he has no posted since, it has that air.

Since he was not responding to me directly I have no reason to suspect that the comment was meant specifically for me.

Oh, I don't want you to think I want you to take it personally. The issue for me was more that it was aimed at a person or people here. Yes, delays in posts could have meant he was reacting to someone else. But generally speaking that's where I would start. And if I wrote something like that right after the wrong person's post, I'd clarify. So, my bringing it up with him, and I think Harbal did too, gives him a chance to be clear.

He seems to think he can take-down language itself and the basis of all meaning. These are the very tools by which he also tries to convey his own argument. I have to say that this is the most clear example of shooting oneself in the foot I have ever seen.

And for me I was struck by what I think is the hubris of saying that he is about to argue for a fundamental paradigm shift and seems to know minds can be resistant to these things, yet thinks by the end of two short videos if you don't get it, then you don't even want to - this with a couple of insults tossed into the mix. I am skeptical that a person who has the answer to human suffering would be so confused. But hey, I will read his answers, should they come.

Yes, we are on the same page.
I found his whole approach in the videos very confused and uncertain. I've done this sort of work myself and know it is not easy. But my experience told me that if you know your stuff and it makes sense then explaining your ideas, however hard, is easier to actually speak the ideas.
I feel that he has been mulling over his ideas, in his head, or on paper, and they felt right. Perhaps he's been in a dialogue with himself over lockdown through the pandemic. But when it came to saying this stuff out load, it did not seem to make sense - even to his own ears.
And so, that in mind, trying to listen to this faltering monologue with ideas that are on the face of it somewhat incoherent and unfinished delivered by someone who does not seem to be convinced by them himself was not easy to sit through.
And it all seemed somewhat cringeworthy and tedious

[Iwannaplato]

Yes, we are on the same page.
I found his whole approach in the videos very confused and uncertain. I've done this sort of work myself and know it is not easy. But my experience told me that if you know your stuff and it makes sense then explaining your ideas, however hard, is easier to actually speak the ideas.
I feel that he has been mulling over his ideas, in his head, or on paper, and they felt right. Perhaps he's been in a dialogue with himself over lockdown through the pandemic. But when it came to saying this stuff out load, it did not seem to make sense - even to his own ears.
And so, that in mind, trying to listen to this faltering monologue with ideas that are on the face of it somewhat incoherent and unfinished delivered by someone who does not seem to be convinced by them himself was not easy to sit through.
And it all seemed somewhat cringeworthy and tedious

out of a long dormant curiousity went to twitter where I found him saying things like...

The second coming is here and he is going unrecognized

Go figure

I am not a twitter expert, so I can't tell for sure he says the following or is quoting....

roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and a messenger of God/prophet

[FlashDangerpants]

roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and a messenger of God/prophet

Wait, how many of the world's single greatest philosopher do we keep on staff at the PN forums right now?

We got Age, Vegetable Armpit, Advocate and Eggnog7 (every Thursday for one hour when the prison library lets him use the internet). I guess this nutter makes it 5?

[Iwannaplato]

roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and a messenger of God/prophet

Wait, how many of the world's single greatest philosopher do we keep on staff at the PN forums right now?

We got Age, Vegetable Armpit, Advocate and Eggnog7 (every Thursday for one hour when the prison library lets him use the internet). I guess this nutter makes it 5?

I don't think this guy is a nutter. I would guess, and it is a guess, that he has achieved certain fairly profound things as far as the state of his consciousness. An interesting writer is Ken Wilbur. I disagree with him on certain important things, him being fundamentally a Buddhist, but he talks a lot of about there being different realms - my word - and someone may have achieved incredible things with meditation say, but not have resolved all sorts of interpersonal dynamics issues. Hence the number of gurus who end up in sex even sexual abuse scandals and the like. (not say our OP is doing any of that). But I think, but can't tell so far for sure, that he may not realize that meditation or states of consciousness cannot address certain issues, here more on the interpersonal/communication level. There my be others if those quotes are truly his.

And yes, I thought especially of Advocate. There's a rather amazing book called The Three Christs of Ypsilanti where a psychiatrist or psychologist brought together three men who all thought they were Jesus, to see what would happen. There were a few moments where one Jesus, via his skepticism of another Jesus being the real Jesus, had momentary insights into himself. Generally however this mirroring did not help them, but it sure led to some fascinating conversations.

And to be clear I don't think Roy D thinks he is Jesus in the sense they did.

[Sculptor]

roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and a messenger of God/prophet

[/quote]

So God has a new strategy.

He sends unto us a befuddled, incoherent, inchoate, slaphead. I wonder if he's going to do as well as the last one?

[Sculptor]

roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and a messenger of God/prophet

Wait, how many of the world's single greatest philosopher do we keep on staff at the PN forums right now?

We got Age, Vegetable Armpit, Advocate and Eggnog7 (every Thursday for one hour when the prison library lets him use the internet). I guess this nutter makes it 5?

Seven more to go
When they coalesce into the full 12 disciples of confusion is when the apocalypse starts

[Sculptor]

Wait, how many of the world's single greatest philosopher do we keep on staff at the PN forums right now?

We got Age, Vegetable Armpit, Advocate and Eggnog7 (every Thursday for one hour when the prison library lets him use the internet). I guess this nutter makes it 5?

I don't think this guy is a nutter. I would guess, and it is a guess, that he has achieved certain fairly profound things as far as the state of his consciousness. An interesting writer is Ken Wilbur. I disagree with him on certain important things, him being fundamentally a Buddhist, but he talks a lot of about there being different realms - my word - and someone may have achieved incredible things with meditation say, but not have resolved all sorts of interpersonal dynamics issues. Hence the number of gurus who end up in sex even sexual abuse scandals and the like. (not say our OP is doing any of that). But I think, but can't tell so far for sure, that he may not realize that meditation or states of consciousness cannot address certain issues, here more on the interpersonal/communication level. There my be others if those quotes are truly his.

And yes, I thought especially of Advocate. There's a rather amazing book called The Three Christs of Ypsilanti where a psychiatrist or psychologist brought together three men who all thought they were Jesus, to see what would happen. There were a few moments where one Jesus, via his skepticism of another Jesus being the real Jesus, had momentary insights into himself. Generally however this mirroring did not help them, but it sure led to some fascinating conversations.

And to be clear I don't think Roy D thinks he is Jesus in the sense they did.

Even David Icke in his most incoherent moments makes more sense than RoyD.
Without reading back or trying to understand his garbles ramblings on Video try to summarise what he is trying to claim.
If you think he has achieved something profound then you ought to be able to say what it is?

[FlashDangerpants]

I don't think this guy is a nutter.

As you already pointed out, he posted this to twitter.
https://twitter.com/RoyDopson/status/15 ... L6Tsaq7LeA
"roy dopson is the greatest philosopher of all time and the wisdom he shares continues to go unrecognized by academia"

So, yeah, he's a total mentalist. There's no real distinction to be drawn with Advocate who makes both of those exact claims for himself and is very obviously a clinical narcissist.

[Walker]

Anyone who thinks we are "pigs" is either crazy or insulting.
So which is worse? Me calling a crazy person crazy, or Roy being insulting?
My view is that his ideas are, in fact, crazy. It the sort of angst many small children have to go through when they learn that many words have multiple meanings. Just because they over come that problem whilst Roy has not oes not make them "pigs". On the contrary it makes them far more pragmatic and intelligent.

An insult does tend to detract from any other message, however, your insult to Roy is more justified than Roy's insult to you, because your insult has no intent to end humanity's woes, that is, unless you think that your insult will silence Roy and that silence will benefit humanity.

I'm at a loss to see how Roy insulting you will end humanity's woes, if insulting is indeed the practice of his view.

[Walker]

I think, my best guess, that I like your challenge to him.

Well, it's actually an honest request because I lasted only eight minutes into his presentations, probably because I'm conditioned to good 4 minute music videos.

And I like what Sting said of rock n'roll. He said, it has to burn from the first bar.

Roy's presentation went much beyond 8 minutes, and I watched the first 8 with full attention, although I don't recall the intellectual content. Probably my deficiency. So, I might have missed something critical to the view and transmission that everyone should understand, for the benefit of mankind.

50 words should be enough to transmit the gist.

[Walker]

"Re: Someone, everyone, please take this seriously."

The objective evidence that this request is being taken seriously, is the reply-to-view ratio. Lots of replies in comparison to not that many views.

This is the opportunity for Roy to voice his appreciation to the attention and insight being showered upon this topic, and you know what they say about appreciation. To be effective it should be specific. In fact, some folks say that the extreme appreciation of bhakti is the answer to humanity's woes.

[henry quirk]

"Re: Someone, everyone, please take this seriously."

The objective evidence that this request is being taken seriously, is the reply-to-view ratio. Lots of replies in comparison to not that many views.

This is the opportunity for Roy to voice his appreciation to the attention and insight being showered upon this topic, and you know what they say about appreciation. To be effective it should be specific. In fact, some folks say that the extreme appreciation of bhakti is the answer to humanity's woes.

I watched both videos (that is: I invested some time & effort [that is: I took it seriously]).

I didn't get it (for a variety of reasons) and said so.

Roy blew me off, made no effort to inquire why I didn't get it.

Seems to me, despite his plea, someone, everyone, please take this seriously, he doesn't take it seriously.

Personally, I think he's just pullin' a big goof on folks.

[bobmax]

Human consciousness is under the spell of a cult leader. All of it. You, me (not so much) EVERYONE, especially the English speaking folk, are in a collective state of delusion/programming, due to the meaning of the language that constitutes the fundamental model of reality presented/described by "anything", "something", "Everything" and "Nothing". The "thing"/"nothing" model is incomplete and incorrect.

I think you have perceived the limits of rational thinking.

And this insight fills you with enthusiasm.
But the inability to express what you perceive is also a source of dissatisfaction.

The fact is that rational thinking must necessarily be determined.
That is, it must consider "true" the something it uses to think.

The principle of identity is an indispensable constraint for rational thinking.
A = A
The something: A
Which is also a negation, that is, the nullity of everything that is not A.

Only that A is A is essentially an illusion.

Mathematics is probably the best expression of rational thinking.
And since rational thought, if understood as Truth, inevitably involves nihilism, mathematics shows it to the fullest.

Through the hallucination that there is a world of numbers by itself.
And that the infinite really exists as a "thing".

I saw that you tried to address this topic a year ago.
I agree with you. Cantor and company are subjected to illusion.

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[Dontaskme]

Roy is a fraud, in my opinion, and his “message” and videos are more likely part of a commercial enterprise than a philanthropic mission to save humanity. Again, I can’t help wondering why you just believe what Roy says about himself, especially as I don’t find him the least bit convincing.

I do not have to believe him. I'm just really fortunate to have become aware of his existence to be honest. And the way Roy speaks about what I am already quite familiar with anyway, surprisingly blew my mind to be honest, and I have to say there are not many nonduality teachers that can blow my mind, let me tell you. Something he did say actually took my breath away literally took my breath away, and that's rare for someone to do that.

He's made loads of videos. And so I am pleased to have discovered them. I wouldn't have even known about them if not for Roy starting this thread.

I am very familiar with the nondual message he is sharing. . I had no idea he had a Youtube channel until he created this thread. Last night I got to work out of curiousity, I was scrolling through his many videos. I was particularly drawn into the absolute clarity of his understanding regarding the absolute and nondual nature of existence. It was like all my christmases had come at once finding someone like Roy, I was like yes, yes, yes, someone who can actually put this message into words ''PROPERLY'' and 'perfectly'..the way it should be, and not just in a half arsed sloppy way, in an info bombing bamboozling sort of way used by other less skilled nondual speakers.. where you are being fed something that you only want to hear, rather than be told the actual real raw truth. . So I'm delighted to have found Roys videos. I have subscribed to his channel.

Take his appearance, for example: By his unnatural body shape it is clear that he spends a significant amount of time pumping iron, or whatever they call it. Working out at the gym is a trend that has been popular among certain types of men for a while now. It’s a sort of herd mentality; it is going along with the crowd, and suggests a tendency to be influenced by others, which is precisely what he is criticising the rest of us for.

I'm not that cynical about things like that. As far as I am aware Roy is a Canadian Firefighter by trade, that's his job. He's a Fireman. So it makes sense to me why his frame would be of a muscular and strong nature..appearances are deceptive though, it seems.