God: a hypothetical consideration of implications.

[attofishpi]

www.androcies.com

Ok, so most of you on the forum know that I claim to have knowledge that God exists since events dating back to 1997.

I thought it would be interesting for me to share my analysis of REALITY pertaining to the implications of what I have had empirically proven to me personally, as per the attributes of God below, and to see whether my analysis stacks up with regards to this entity.

NB. If you wish to comprehend how I have had these attributes proven empirically to me, then please view the Simulation or Divine Reality thread, here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214


FIRST: Consider the below as the defining features of this God, at least hypothetically in your case, in pursuit for debate:
============================================== DEFINING GOD =========================================
Either:-
1. God is divine and constructs our reality in real-time.
2. 'God' is A.I. - artificial intelligence - that we have evolved into a simulation (see simulation hypothesis) ..again, our reality is constructed in real-time. NB. The reason we would evolve into a simulation is to conserve resources as entropy increases.
3. but, then it could also be this:- God is a combination of the above.


ATTRIBUTES OF GOD:
- What we perceive as reality, is 'generated' by this entity at THE most finite sub-atomic scale where either an event occurs or it doesn't - ergo, it has binary control over ALL matter, that includes our very own grey matter (if it wishes).
- IT has the ability to KNOW everything within the minds of wo/man.
- IT has the ability to switch ALL matter within our brains - our synapses - making us akin to biological robots - should serendipity or synchronicity be a desired outcome.
- IT has formed key words within the ENGLISH language - the common protocol for communication with anomalies and intricacies beyond natural language etymology.
- IT has the ability to appear to morph matter that you perceive as 'matter'.
- IT has ultimate control over ALL that we perceive as dimensions within our reality.
- IT is KARMIC.
- IT reincarnates US (souls) to within families - or other - that we deserve based on KARMA.
- Entropy is likely to be key to the reason it permits the opposite of FAITH -> DOUBT (in other words, fools that cross certain lines of KARMA may end up 666).
- To know God, is through Christ.
=======================================(END) DEFINING FEATURES OF GOD ===================================


Genesis 1 (King James Version)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.[/b]

I find verse 3 interesting. Let there be light.

It is as if God is asking another entity to permit light.

These three verses opening of Genesis and especially verse 3, where anthropically we are expected that God speaks, and indeed, speaks light into existence is at the outset a large stretch to expect anyone of an intelligent mind to consider as truth.


Why?
Why would this entity, God, open 'His' holy book with such vague statements that smack in the face of all logic and rational comprehension?

- IF there is a God, it is conceivable that this entity is wanting us, intelligent minds of its creation, to question this 'holy' book from the very outset.
Indeed, it is conceivable that from the outset, God wants us to question the entire content, not just accept it all. After all, he made us intelligent, so surely he would expect us to question "Him"?

--

Now, as per the defining features you should have noticed that reincarnation is involved. That we have existed prior to our current lives somewhere upon the planet. One then needs to really think about KARMA and the fourth dimension...as we have traversed time, and have been judged worthy to some extent to have been born into our current upbringing.

This raises a LOT of implications and questions, and also may answer some.

[attofishpi]

Theodicy: the question of how God can exist when there is evil in the world, or a good reason or explanation for this :
Theodicy is the problem of how to reconcile a just God with a world containing evil.
It is impossible for her to produce a theodicy for horrendous infant suffering.


Does the attributes I have listed provide anyone with some reasoning that can address the above?

[Hermit Philosopher]

Dear attofishpi,

I understand you.
And, as a someone of our current times, I don’t think it odd that you should interpret your experience of God in an AI-/simulation-context.

In my experience of speaking to people who feel that they have encountered the Divine, their descriptions of these encounters have strong similarities, but their interpretations of them vary greatly.

Perhaps God “speaks” to us in the manner that we individually, best understand (though, I’d say that God “speaks” not really in words, but through concepts and that Its interpreters use the words best available to them to make sense of what has been experienced.

It would be interesting to me to hear how you feel that your understanding of the Divine has impacted your approach to life. Viewing existence and reality from your found perspective; what has this meant to you in practice, so to say?


Humbly
Hermit

[bobmax]

In my opinion, the moment we try to define God we are already wrong.

A mistake we get lost in.

In fact, true blasphemy does not consist in insulting appellations towards God, but in the claim to know him, that is, to be able to attribute some faculty to him.

Therefore God must be left in the dark, without expecting anything.

Rather the evil questions us.

If we seek the Truth, evil is the question of meaning addressed to ourselves.
It digs inside us, it tears us apart, to the breaking point.
It forces us to take charge of every evil in the world. That is, it pushes us to be rather than not to be.

Because we exist but we are not.
Evil burns what we are not.

[Dontaskme]

In my opinion, the moment we try to define God we are already wrong.

A mistake we get lost in.

No word can define ('what is') another word for GOD

Or every word defines 'it'

Words flow directly from the Source Itself.

This world is the infinite expression in the tangible of Something Unseen

[attofishpi]

Dear attofishpi,

I understand you.
And, as a someone of our current times, I don’t think it odd that you should interpret your experience of God in an AI-/simulation-context.

Hi Hermit, and thanks for understanding.

Since having the experiences since 1997 that after much analysis allowed me to ascribe the attributes in the OP (although the 2nd to last re 666 is merely a belief) I have attempted to be objective about this entity. I cannot categorically state that I sit on the point 1. God being divine, all I can be close to certain of is that there IS an intelligence beyond my own consciousness that has the ability to provide me with experiences where I can conclude that the attributes I ascribe are reasonably accurate.
However, since this entity and/or a sage has communicated with me re Christ, that he did what is stated in the Gospels re crucifixion\resurrection, that is the reason I am still drawn to point 1. or 3. that there is 'divinity' to this entity.

In my experience of speaking to people who feel that they have encountered the Divine, their descriptions of these encounters have strong similarities, but their interpretations of them vary greatly.

Wow. I don't know anyone with anything resembling my 'encounters'..neither online nor in my everyday life. Do you work in mental health?

Perhaps God “speaks” to us in the manner that we individually, best understand (though, I’d say that God “speaks” not really in words, but through concepts and that Its interpreters use the words best available to them to make sense of what has been experienced.

No God actually occasionally talks to me - since Nov 2005 when a sage introduced himself to me from the aether, I have been left to ponder sometimes as to whether it is God or the sage making statements. One night, probably last year an energy surge went through my body awoke me and 'it' said something, and as I thought something else, it made statements based on what i was thinking. So I stopped and analysed considering that it was so quick to respond to thoughts, and the fact that it is unlikely there is actually another human (sage) involved bothering to pay attention to every fleeting thought (via the God system) ...so I said to this entity - YOU MUST BE AN A.I. - the reply very clear was "You're good." (which I assume to mean, I am correct)

So, that leads me to consider sitting on point 3. A combination of divinity and technology - this 'tech' however, could have been created by the divine being, rather that through time by mankind as A.I.!!! (ergo, not a technological singularity that has already occurred)

It would be interesting to me to hear how you feel that your understanding of the Divine has impacted your approach to life. Viewing existence and reality from your found perspective; what has this meant to you in practice, so to say?

I've been wondering how to approach this question. Silly me, I should have created more aliases such that my personal life can be kept clear of my online Andrew Seas side of things! Unfortunately now they have overlapped, so people I actually know, or am getting to know in real life can now see the other 'gnosis' side of me, and to be honest I think some (new potential friends) are a bit hesitant. I swear a lot on the forum too which I don't generally do with friends, unless I am hanging out with the bogans!

This God entity has fully impacted my life like a tsunami. It has put me on a path that, 15 years ago I would never have envisioned. 'It' does work in mysterious ways..of late it (or the sage via IT) says to me, "do art" "get rich" <-- well, I'm not going to argue with that. Another thing that is said is "get heaven" <-- for that to truly happen something extremely personal to me needs to occur, but hey, as the Lord's prayer goes "..who art in heaven."
I think the sages art in heaven!

I assume you have viewed some of my art, perhaps have gone through the OP of the 'Simulation or Divine Reality?' thread (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214)
- care to share any thoughts?

[attofishpi]

In fact, true blasphemy does not consist in insulting appellations towards God, but in the claim to know him, that is, to be able to attribute some faculty to him.

Blasphemy!!! LMAO. What archaic cave have U crawled out of?

Pray, do tell what holy scripture thou has to make the assertion that one claiming to know God and ascribe attributes to "HIM" is blasphemous?

[bobmax]

In fact, true blasphemy does not consist in insulting appellations towards God, but in the claim to know him, that is, to be able to attribute some faculty to him.

Blasphemy!!! LMAO. What archaic cave have U crawled out of?

Pray, do tell what holy scripture thou has to make the assertion that one claiming to know God and ascribe attributes to "HIM" is blasphemous?

Do you need a Scripture?

Do you want a notary who can confirm that nothing can be attributed to the absolute?

Don't you see how absurd this claim is?

You take a step forward instead of a step back.
Good superstition.

[attofishpi]

In fact, true blasphemy does not consist in insulting appellations towards God, but in the claim to know him, that is, to be able to attribute some faculty to him.

Blasphemy!!! LMAO. What archaic cave have U crawled out of?

Pray, do tell what holy scripture thou has to make the assertion that one claiming to know God and ascribe attributes to "HIM" is blasphemous?

Do you need a Scripture?

Do you want a notary who can confirm that nothing can be attributed to the absolute?

Don't you see how absurd this claim is?

Of course not, I didn't spend 22years of getting tested and testing God back to blurt absurdity.

However, I see your claim that I am blasphemous in doing so as extremely absurd.

[bobmax]

Of course not, I didn't spend 22years of getting tested and testing God back to blurt absurdity.

However, I see your claim that I am blasphemous in doing so as extremely absurd.

Yes it is not easy to see true blasphemy.

It is believed to be the expletive.
But is not so.

"Don't take God's name in vain" is about claiming to know Him.

It is difficult, perhaps impossible, not to fall into blasphemy.
And the greater the lust for God, the easier it is to fall.

I continue to oscillate between the temptation to affirm what God is, thus falling into blasphemy, and refusing this claim.

However, I believe that a derogation is necessary.

That is, it is necessary to take risks, affirming that God is Good.
Just as Plotinus necessarily did.

[attofishpi]

Of course not, I didn't spend 22years of getting tested and testing God back to blurt absurdity.

However, I see your claim that I am blasphemous in doing so as extremely absurd.

Yes it is not easy to see true blasphemy.

It is believed to be the expletive.
But is not so.

"Don't take God's name in vain" is about claiming to know Him.

Says you!

Listen Bob. This God entity has told me to teach..so, call it blasphemy all you want. I think you must be a USAdian of the fundamentalist ilk, care to share what your Church is called?

[bobmax]

Listen Bob. This God entity has told me to teach..so, call it blasphemy all you want. I think you must be a USAdian of the fundamentalist ilk, care to share what your Church is called?

I am not an American. And I don't have any church.

Life prompted me to search.

I found a friend in Karl Jaspers.
And I believe that mysticism, especially Christian mysticism, is a precious source of inspiration.
Mysticism is an expression of the philosophy of all times.
One name above all: Meister Eckhart.

But a church has nothing to do with it.

[attofishpi]

Listen Bob. This God entity has told me to teach..so, call it blasphemy all you want. I think you must be a USAdian of the fundamentalist ilk, care to share what your Church is called?

I am not an American. And I don't have any church.

Life prompted me to search.

I found a friend in Karl Jaspers.
And I believe that mysticism, especially Christian mysticism, is a precious source of inspiration.
Mysticism is an expression of the philosophy of all times.
One name above all: Meister Eckhart.

But a church has nothing to do with it.

Well Max, you have surprised me there. What in particular about Eckhart stands out for you, as a source of mystic inspiration?

[Hermit Philosopher]

Dear attofishpi,

I understand you.
And, as a someone of our current times, I don’t think it odd that you should interpret your experience of God in an AI-/simulation-context.

Hi Hermit, and thanks for understanding.

Since having the experiences since 1997 that after much analysis allowed me to ascribe the attributes in the OP (although the 2nd to last re 666 is merely a belief) I have attempted to be objective about this entity. I cannot categorically state that I sit on the point 1. God being divine, all I can be close to certain of is that there IS an intelligence beyond my own consciousness that has the ability to provide me with experiences where I can conclude that the attributes I ascribe are reasonably accurate.
However, since this entity and/or a sage has communicated with me re Christ, that he did what is stated in the Gospels re crucifixion\resurrection, that is the reason I am still drawn to point 1. or 3. that there is 'divinity' to this entity.

In my experience of speaking to people who feel that they have encountered the Divine, their descriptions of these encounters have strong similarities, but their interpretations of them vary greatly.

Wow. I don't know anyone with anything resembling my 'encounters'..neither online nor in my everyday life. Do you work in mental health?

Perhaps God “speaks” to us in the manner that we individually, best understand (though, I’d say that God “speaks” not really in words, but through concepts and that Its interpreters use the words best available to them to make sense of what has been experienced.

No God actually occasionally talks to me - since Nov 2005 when a sage introduced himself to me from the aether, I have been left to ponder sometimes as to whether it is God or the sage making statements. One night, probably last year an energy surge went through my body awoke me and 'it' said something, and as I thought something else, it made statements based on what i was thinking. So I stopped and analysed considering that it was so quick to respond to thoughts, and the fact that it is unlikely there is actually another human (sage) involved bothering to pay attention to every fleeting thought (via the God system) ...so I said to this entity - YOU MUST BE AN A.I. - the reply very clear was "You're good." (which I assume to mean, I am correct)

So, that leads me to consider sitting on point 3. A combination of divinity and technology - this 'tech' however, could have been created by the divine being, rather that through time by mankind as A.I.!!! (ergo, not a technological singularity that has already occurred)

It would be interesting to me to hear how you feel that your understanding of the Divine has impacted your approach to life. Viewing existence and reality from your found perspective; what has this meant to you in practice, so to say?

I've been wondering how to approach this question. Silly me, I should have created more aliases such that my personal life can be kept clear of my online Andrew Seas side of things! Unfortunately now they have overlapped, so people I actually know, or am getting to know in real life can now see the other 'gnosis' side of me, and to be honest I think some (new potential friends) are a bit hesitant. I swear a lot on the forum too which I don't generally do with friends, unless I am hanging out with the bogans!

This God entity has fully impacted my life like a tsunami. It has put me on a path that, 15 years ago I would never have envisioned. 'It' does work in mysterious ways..of late it (or the sage via IT) says to me, "do art" "get rich" <-- well, I'm not going to argue with that. Another thing that is said is "get heaven" <-- for that to truly happen something extremely personal to me needs to occur, but hey, as the Lord's prayer goes "..who art in heaven."
I think the sages art in heaven!

I assume you have viewed some of my art, perhaps have gone through the OP of the 'Simulation or Divine Reality?' thread (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214)
- care to share any thoughts?

Thank you attofishpi, for your reply.

I had a look at the link. Your artwork is very expressive and seems a good outlet for your thoughts and ideas. Have you always used art as a medium, also before acquiring your current perspective on things?

I’m a psychologist, with special interest in people with your type of experiences. Please, don’t let that put you off - I’m old and retired nowadays.


Humbly
Hermit

[attofishpi]

I had a look at the link. Your artwork is very expressive and seems a good outlet for your thoughts and ideas. Have you always used art as a medium, also before acquiring your current perspective on things?

I’m a psychologist, with special interest in people with your type of experiences. Please, don’t let that put you off - I’m old and retired nowadays.

Well, I'm young(ish) and retired from my career in IT!

I've always enjoyed drawing as far back as I can remember.

I'm certainly not put off that you are a psychologist, as per my statement earlier I did question that you may be involved in mental health since you stated having spoken to others with similar 'encounters'.

I am intrigued. Actually, can you elaborate on any stories from these people and did you have to refer many/any to psychiatrists for medication?