Christianity

[attofishpi]

Yes. God as the eternal unchanging or NOW cannot change the machine or its body. To do so ruins the purpose of the body.

So the body of God is the universe, which God DID change to create the Earth, but now that HE did that, he cannot change anything within the Earth because that would change the purpose of God?

God did create the great machine and its levels of reality including the earth. Genesis 2 uses the term LORD God. Is there a difference between God and LORD God?

That is the purpose of the Christ: to bring change for the quality of the being of Man for those open to it.

So Christ had water changed into wine - this was something that God did, it changed its body (a very very very small part of it)?

Biblical language uses three words to describe qualities of truth. Stone refers to truth effecting the outer man like the stone tablets. Living water describes the quality of truth which can touch the inner man like sacred scripture. However a person who has experienced water can give its quality to another. This is called changing water into wine.

Why are you avoiding addressing my questions and projecting mumbo-jumbo back at me!?

[Nick_A]

So the body of God is the universe, which God DID change to create the Earth, but now that HE did that, he cannot change anything within the Earth because that would change the purpose of God?

God did create the great machine and its levels of reality including the earth. Genesis 2 uses the term LORD God. Is there a difference between God and LORD God?




So Christ had water changed into wine - this was something that God did, it changed its body (a very very very small part of it)?

Biblical language uses three words to describe qualities of truth. Stone refers to truth effecting the outer man like the stone tablets. Living water describes the quality of truth which can touch the inner man like sacred scripture. However a person who has experienced water can give its quality to another. This is called changing water into wine.

Why are you avoiding addressing my questions and projecting mumbo-jumbo back at me!?

I did answer you. You just can't accept that it is the Christ who changes water into wine. God has already created the structure of creation. Changing water into wine is very difficult but the world needs those who are capable of it.

“The greatest responsibility of all: the transmission of the mystery.” —Basarab Nicolescu

[bobmax]

Is a baby a miracle? What is this life force producing sperm and eggs, yang and yin, in human beings. It arises from the earth some would call a miracle. Being born again or born from above is similar except that the life force descends from above rather than arising from below. Can the miracle of life be understood or must it remain a miracle?

The fact that everything that happens has a cause and that this can have an explanation, if not now maybe tomorrow, is surprising.

This Cosmos seems to have no truly inaccessible secrets.
It is willing to be known...

Why is there no Chaos instead?
What infinitesimal probability does the Cosmos have of being there instead of Chaos?

This life is truly a miracle.

[attofishpi]

Biblical language uses three words to describe qualities of truth. Stone refers to truth effecting the outer man like the stone tablets. Living water describes the quality of truth which can touch the inner man like sacred scripture. However a person who has experienced water can give its quality to another. This is called changing water into wine.

Why are you avoiding addressing my questions and projecting mumbo-jumbo back at me!?

I did answer you.

Well, thank God you are not a teacher.

So God is not omnipotent and does not talk to humans on a personal level, right?

So praying is pointless, right?

You just can't accept that it is the Christ who changes water into wine.

Y should I accept anything that you believe?

God has already created the structure of creation. Changing water into wine is very difficult but the world needs those who are capable of it.

Changing water into wine for man is complex and involves grapes and fermentation, but I don't think it is very difficult.

So God did not change water into wine in an instance, in your opinion Jesus the Christ did, and God had no effect on the matter?

[Nick_A]

Is a baby a miracle? What is this life force producing sperm and eggs, yang and yin, in human beings. It arises from the earth some would call a miracle. Being born again or born from above is similar except that the life force descends from above rather than arising from below. Can the miracle of life be understood or must it remain a miracle?

The fact that everything that happens has a cause and that this can have an explanation, if not now maybe tomorrow, is surprising.

This Cosmos seems to have no truly inaccessible secrets.
It is willing to be known...

Why is there no Chaos instead?
What infinitesimal probability does the Cosmos have of being there instead of Chaos?

This life is truly a miracle.

Very true. Einstein wrote:

The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.

People like to argue about what we know but how many have the humility to ponder what we don't know?

[Harbal]

Is a baby a miracle?

I have never thought of babies as such, particularly when they are screaming in the middle of the night and you have to be up early for work.

What is this life force producing sperm and eggs, yang and yin, in human beings

It is the same thing that occurs in all living creatures, and you would need to ask a biologist or chemist about how it comes about. I am neither.

Can the miracle of life be understood or must it remain a miracle?

I don't know if it can be understood, but if it can't, it must remain a mystery, not a miracle.

[Nick_A]

Why are you avoiding addressing my questions and projecting mumbo-jumbo back at me!?

I did answer you.

Well, thank God you are not a teacher.

So God is not omnipotent and does not talk to humans on a personal level, right?

So praying is pointless, right?

God as ONE or the unified whole beyond the limits of time and space is the eternal unchanging. By definition God doesn't change. Only the universe or the eternal changing within the eternal unchanging changes by definition. Pray to the Christ or the intermediary between God and Man.

You just can't accept that it is the Christ who changes water into wine.

Y should I accept anything that you believe?

God has already created the structure of creation. Changing water into wine is very difficult but the world needs those who are capable of it.

Changing water into wine for man is complex and involves grapes and fermentation, but I don't think it is very difficult.

So God did not change water into wine in an instance, in your opinion Jesus the Christ did, and God had no effect on the matter?

Again, God in creation is 3 Awakening is the result of the influence of the Spirit. For a person to become open to changing water into wine or to transmit the living truth requires the help of the spirit.

[Nick_A]

Is a baby a miracle?

I have never thought of babies as such, particularly when they are screaming in the middle of the night and you have to be up early for work.

What is this life force producing sperm and eggs, yang and yin, in human beings

It is the same thing that occurs in all living creatures, and you would need to ask a biologist or chemist about how it comes about. I am neither.

Can the miracle of life be understood or must it remain a miracle?

I don't know if it can be understood, but if it can't, it must remain a mystery, not a miracle.

When the baby is born it is no longer a mystery but is now a miracle. What is this life force which produces a baby and other forms of life. It happens so we must consider it a miracle.

[Harbal]

When the baby is born it is no longer a mystery but is now a miracle. What is this life force which produces a baby and other forms of life. It happens so we must consider it a miracle.

I don't think in terms of miracles, but I don't say that you shouldn't. I hope you don't mind my not thinking of it as a miracle.

Human beings are accustomed to being able to make things happen. Things that are far beyond our ability to bring about fill us with wonder purely because they are so far beyond our ability. Me may be able to produce life from none life one day, and that is when life will cease to be a "miracle".

[Dubious]

There are no miracles in nature. Life is a process already well-understood so let's not get sentimental about babies which can be mass-produced without end. Among the living, human or not, there exists plenty which is undesirable and easily dispensable.

[Nick_A]

There are no miracles in nature. Life is a process already well-understood so let's not get sentimental about babies which can be mass-produced without end. Among the living, human or not, there exists plenty which is undesirable and easily dispensable.

I'm not referring to clones but What is the life force which unites the sperm and egg to produce a baby?

[Nick_A]

When the baby is born it is no longer a mystery but is now a miracle. What is this life force which produces a baby and other forms of life. It happens so we must consider it a miracle.

I don't think in terms of miracles, but I don't say that you shouldn't. I hope you don't mind my not thinking of it as a miracle.

Human beings are accustomed to being able to make things happen. Things that are far beyond our ability to bring about fill us with wonder purely because they are so far beyond our ability. Me may be able to produce life from none life one day, and that is when life will cease to be a "miracle".

Quite true. As of now humanity doesn't know what life is but some day science will help answer the question. But you tell me, if humanity doesn't know what life is, how can humanity have respect for what we know is real but cannot understand its objective purpose?

[Harbal]

But you tell me, if humanity doesn't know what life is, how can humanity have respect for what we know is real but cannot understand its objective purpose?

I was out on my bike the other day and a grass snake crossed the path right in front of me. It's the first time in my life that I've seen a snake in the wild, and I am pretty old. It made my day. I didn't feel any need to understand it, or to know how it came to be there, it was enough just to have seen it. Nature is wonderful, Nick, what more do you need to know?

[Dubious]

There are no miracles in nature. Life is a process already well-understood so let's not get sentimental about babies which can be mass-produced without end. Among the living, human or not, there exists plenty which is undesirable and easily dispensable.

I'm not referring to clones but What is the life force which unites the sperm and egg to produce a baby?

Neither was I referring to clones otherwise we'd have over 8 billion clones on the planet with more on the way; we'd all be looking in the mirror with each person encountered! The "life force" is that which is inherent in the chemical process of producing life. Physics and chemistry combine to produce everything there is of which life is only ONE manifestation. Though it may seem miraculous, the emergence of life is established only on that foundation, the combination of elements which produce it. I don't think it's incorrect to say that nature in its blindness is capable of generating what seems thaumaturgic which obviously, in hindsight, must also include us to regard it in that way. In short, life force is equivalent to a specific combination of the pre-existing non-living elements which produce it. It's natural to regard that as a semblance of the miraculous while understanding that nature doesn't host a single miracle in its entire portfolio.

[Nick_A]

But you tell me, if humanity doesn't know what life is, how can humanity have respect for what we know is real but cannot understand its objective purpose?

I was out on my bike the other day and a grass snake crossed the path right in front of me. It's the first time in my life that I've seen a snake in the wild, and I am pretty old. It made my day. I didn't feel any need to understand it, or to know how it came to be there, it was enough just to have seen it. Nature is wonderful, Nick, what more do you need to know?

True, but why not kill it? Might makes right. We know there are many people who prefer to kill snakes. What makes them wrong? I would say it is your conscience. But how many have pondered the difference between objective conscience and conditioned indoctrination? Both are used to explain religion.

This isn't a trick question. I'm just pointing out how little we know of the truth of human ethical influences and the effect of conscience on the universal value of respect for life. Is it really wrong to ponder why we are as we are?