Christianity

[henry quirk]

But: I'm not goin' down this road again, and I'm sorry I brought it up. I shoulda poked at dub in some other way.

C'mon man. Not only did you 'bring it up' you thoroughly invested in it. And now you *want to back out?

*Oh, no, not want to: have.

I've said all I want on the beer virus religion, and I've said it multiple times.

I've listened to the cries and demands of the followers of that religion, heard all they have to say, multiple times.

No more.

As I say: I'm sorry I brought it up.

Again: anyone who wants to mask up, lock down, and accept the jab ought do that.

But me? Not a chance.

[Walker]

Henry, if you live an isolated life in a nice country area with your own clean water source and your knowledge of bush craft you are relatively safe not to infect others with any diseases you may have. Otherwise all public health regulations are there to protect yourself and others. Most people live in cities in close proximity to others. Believe me as I spent the best years of my youth in a large city hospital for acute infectious fevers and I know something about infectious diseases, their causes, prevention, and morbidity, from the front line as it were.

Interesting. I was just reading this article this morning, then found your observation.

Paternalism
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/paternalism/
“All of these rules, policies, and actions may be done for various reasons; may be justified by various considerations. When they are justified solely on the grounds that the person affected would be better off, or would be less harmed, as a result of the rule, policy, etc., and the person in question would prefer not to be treated this way, we have an instance of paternalism.”

Comment:
Paternalism is a slaver mentality. When science indicated that the little children were not at risk from Covid-19, and yet agents of the government pushed hard for them to be injected with experimental gene therapy drugs, to be isolated from developmental activities for many months, then masked for many months … all under the pretext that they might be carriers of the virus and could infect the vulnerable, all under the rubric of public health while denying human rights in that way and many other ways … then the root underlying that pretext is a philosophy of paternalism, if you rule out downright evil.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Paternalism is a slaver mentality. When science indicated that the little children were not at risk from Covid-19, and yet agents of the government pushed hard for them to be injected with experimental gene therapy drugs, to be isolated from developmental activities for many months, then masked for many months … all under the pretext that they might be carriers of the virus and could infect the vulnerable, all under the rubric of public health while denying human rights in that way and many other ways … then the root underlying that pretext is a philosophy of paternalism, if you rule out downright evil.

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

[(Idiomatic): Something is not right, seriously amiss, especially when leading to suspicion of motive.]

[Alexis Jacobi]

No more.

So, that was the last hurrah as it were. Very well.

[Walker]

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

[(Idiomatic): Something is not right, seriously amiss, especially when leading to suspicion of motive.]

The goings-on of government agents.

“The pigheaded stupidity based on unwarranted hubris I can understand, perhaps even sympathizes with. However, here Birx descends into what I think is criminality. Birx dishonestly and illegally changed the guidance and instructions issued by people senior to her, in particular those of President Trump. If she didn’t support what she was being told to do, she had an obligation to challenge those instructions openly and transparently and then do what she was told to do. If she didn’t like those orders, she was obligated to resign. Every person who died alone in a hospital room, every business driven into bankruptcy, and every child who lost a year of education due to Birx’s actions should be a count on a felony indictment.”

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/07/17 ... da-n596695

[henry quirk]

No more.

So, that was the *last hurrah as it were. Very well.

*About beer virus itself and the dogma it has accreted, yep. Now, as it comes up in discussions of natural rights and violations of natural rights, of course not.

It's like with the gun control thread I started: I ain't discussin' death stats or the Founders' intent with the 2nd. My concern there is only how some folks will go to great lengths to take a man's property without just cause.

In the same way: some folks have gone to great lengths to hobble folks in the name of public safety (a fiction and boondoggle). My concern is that violation of life, liberty, and property, not their rationalizations for the violation.

For example: instead of arguin' about transmissibility, I say: if you worry my unvaxxed, unmasked self is a danger, then stay the hell away from me, or, take me to court and prove I'm a danger. And instead of tusslin' over shifty and shiftn' numbers (infections, hospitalizations, deaths with vs deaths from), I say: if you see Coronapocalypse then act accordingly; as there is no Coronapocalypse, I will not pretend there is. And (this is where I was pokin' at dub) instead of goin' back & forth about the need for or logistics of mass quarantine, I say: nope, I ain't doin' that and anyone forcin' the issue is gonna get shot.

As I say: I've said all I intend to about the beer virus sham itself.

[Alexis Jacobi]

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

[(Idiomatic): Something is not right, seriously amiss, especially when leading to suspicion of motive.]

The goings-on of government agents.

Ron Utz has a ‘coherent’ theory/speculation that the virus was engineered by Americans as a bio-weapon against China and Iran.

[Belinda]

Henry, if you live an isolated life in a nice country area with your own clean water source and your knowledge of bush craft you are relatively safe not to infect others with any diseases you may have. Otherwise all public health regulations are there to protect yourself and others. Most people live in cities in close proximity to others. Believe me as I spent the best years of my youth in a large city hospital for acute infectious fevers and I know something about infectious diseases, their causes, prevention, and morbidity, from the front line as it were.

This is what I'm talkin' about, Alexis: the same script, from the same people.

Same old same old.

The only problem with B's argument is that even vax advocates know the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. I have not seen that they even claim it does.

All it does is, according to them, when it does anything, is moderate a few of the worst symptoms of the disease for the vaccinated person, on the theory that there won't be so many critical cases in the hospitals. For everybody else, it does absolutely nothing at all. They still get sick -- very sick -- and they still can even die from it if they're depleted physically already, or in a high-risk group, like the fatties, the oldies and the wheezies.

So by vaccinating oneself, one is not "protecting others" at all. One is protecting oneself modestly, and protecting the hospitals allegedly. But you can still get it, and just as easily as before; and you can transmit it just as easily as before. And you can still die from it, if conditions are right for that.

Meanwhile, if you overreact with fear, and don't keep the truth in front of your eyes, you're causing psychological distress and isolation, wrecking your economy, spreading panic, putting experimental poisons into the systems of people who don't need them (like young men -- remember that they can still spread the virus as easily as before, but there's practically zero chance it will kill them) and wasting resources.

So you have to weigh up what's won and lost. But as for infection to new hosts, the vaxxes do nothing.

Mass vaccination results in fewer people becoming infective.

[Immanuel Can]

Mass vaccination results in fewer people becoming infective.

Nope. The infection rate is the same. The only allegation is that it makes the symptoms less severe, if you are susceptible. That's it.

[uwot]

Mass vaccination results in fewer people becoming infective.

Nope. The infection rate is the same. The only allegation is that it makes the symptoms less severe, if you are susceptible. That's it.

What planet are you on where making symptoms less severe is an 'allegation'?

[Alexis Jacobi]

What planet are you on where making symptoms less severe is an 'allegation'?

Might I politely interpose to ask: what planet are you on where you seem not to see, nor to be concerned about, the full dimensions in the use of the pandemic in service to mega-political objectives? Do you have any other thoughts or concerns of any sort?

[uwot]

Might I politely interpose...

You might, but what are the odds?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Might I politely interpose...

You might, but what are the odds?

The very best odds!

[Immanuel Can]

...the use of the pandemic in service to mega-political objectives? Do you have any other thoughts or concerns of any sort?

What you point to here is, beyond any possibility of reasonable doubt exactly what's going on. The WEC has announced (and I have their book right here, on my desk) that they certainly plan to use the pandemic to achieve their political manipulations, if they possibly can.

They say it in their own words. But even the title gives the game away: "Covid-19: The Great Reset." It's all there in black and white, and in Klaus Schwab's broken Ger-English on the internet, for anyone who cares to see.

[Dubious]

...the use of the pandemic in service to mega-political objectives? Do you have any other thoughts or concerns of any sort?

What you point to here is, beyond any possibility of reasonable doubt exactly what's going on. The WEC has announced (and I have their book right here, on my desk) that they certainly plan to use the pandemic to achieve their political manipulations, if they possibly can.

They say it in their own words. But even the title gives the game away: "Covid-19: The Great Reset." It's all there in black and white, and in Klaus Schwab's broken Ger-English on the internet, for anyone who cares to see.

Not certain, or I missed it, but don't you mean WEF (World Economic Forum)? WEC doesn't seem to apply to anything mentioned here...but maybe I'm wrong.