the ethics of dis-integration

[Advocate]

Is it ethical to kill yourself because society has turned you into such a hate filled thing that you always cause trouble whether you want to or not?

[Angelo Cannata]

According to what you said, the one who is wrong is not you, it is society, so, society should kill itself. But this doesn’t make sense, because it is the same logic of removing evil by removing bad people. According to this logic, we should remove poverty by killing poor people, remove illness by killing ill people. At the end, we should just remove the world. These kinds of solutions need to realize that they are not guided just by logic: behind this apparent reasoning, there is actually a lot of emotions, psychological conditions, humanity, feelings, personality and so on. This means that it is completely wrong to look for an answer just by reasoning and using logic: it is not a maths question, it is a human question, so it has to be managed by using humanity.
Humanity finds many more resources than just reasoning and logic: there is friendship, love, walking together, sharing emotions, listening to different experiences coming from other people and from ourselves as well.
This shows that the logic of eliminating what is evil is very narrow: there is the way of helping each other, healing rather than killing, working rather than giving up, building rather than destroying. It needs patience and we, as humans, don’t have the same amount of patience all the time, For this reason we can help each other and also use trust, hope, patience, optimism.

[bobmax]

In the face of suicide, I think we can only take a step back.
Our every assessment can only be incomplete and, in essence, incorrect. It is probably the most personal thing there is.

To truly understand the reasons we should go into the depths of those who commit suicide. To know what perhaps not even he knows.

Speaking for myself, I am convinced that once I am certain that I am primarily a source of pain, it would be ethical to commit suicide.
Regardless of the causes that made me become who I am.
It doesn't matter if it was society, my DNA, or just fate.
If I am now a hopeless source of evil, I better leave

[Angelo Cannata]

I am convinced that once I am certain that I am primarily a source of pain, it would be ethical to commit suicide.

Who is in charge of evaluating if and how you are a primary source of evil? Why and how should we trust this person in charge?

[bobmax]

I am convinced that once I am certain that I am primarily a source of pain, it would be ethical to commit suicide.

Who is in charge of evaluating if and how you are a primary source of evil? Why and how should we trust this person in charge?

Only I can determine if I am indeed a hopeless source of evil.

Suicide would be the acceptance of the failure of my life.
Or not, it depends on who I really am.

Isn't it faith in the Truth that matters?
It is not necessary to believe in a person, but in the Truth.

[Angelo Cannata]

There are so many reasons why you might be wrong in this judgement. For example, you might be a victim of a moment of distress, or society might have acted, even unintentionally, in a way that discourages your initiative and your optimism.

[bobmax]

There are so many reasons why you might be wrong in this judgement. For example, you might be a victim of a moment of distress, or society might have acted, even unintentionally, in a way that discourages your initiative and your optimism.

Yes you are right.
There are a lot of potential reasons that have affected my judgment.
But the fundamental question is what is true for me now.

Because it is one thing if I am doubting, another if I am sure.
One day this certainty of mine could crack.
But as long as it is truth to me, I must be faithful to it.

Self-hatred can have many reasons.
But when there is truly hatred, as well as when there is true love, there is no longer any other reason.

[Angelo Cannata]

I agree, the present moment is the strongest one, the one that, obviously, makes our present life, present choices and decisions.
Perhaps we may consider that, even if the present moment is strictly tiny and instantaneous, in the human experience it can be considered a bit more complex. For example, isn’t it true that most times we can feel contradictory impulses? Isn’t it true that, to a certain degree, we can introduce slight modifications, changes, into our feelings and decisions. Isn’t it true that sometimes we see a better decision, but we don’t want to change because changing would be felt like a defeat, kind of not being really strong? But what’s the point of being proud of not having changed a wrong decision? Of course I am talking of my experience, your one has differences for sure. Now I remember that I have seen children even laughing and crying at the same time. There’s nothing bad in being human. We can just realize that often there are many more possibilities than the ones we are able to imagine. We know the life is able to be tremendous, but we can always work on different interpretations of it, that is not just finding meanings, but also finding different approaches, even without any defined meaning.

[bobmax]

Yes, contradictory impulses.
And be sure of one thing and immediately afterwards its opposite...
As well as being sad and happy at the same time.

There is like a seething beneath this rational thought of mine that seeks stability and clarity.

Mine is the fault of my every mistake.
And I deserve hell.

And yet am I really responsible for my past choices or were they not actually caused by something else?

But if I am not responsible for anything, does this nothingness of mine imply my being responsible for everything?
Doesn't all this evil, past and present, depend on me?

Sometimes it is as if I am at the origin of all things.
And great is the compassion.