Christianity

[Phil8659]

henry quirk

Really, more of your pointless bull-shit? Show us all.

[Immanuel Can]

You waded into this place thinkin' you were gonna make a big splash with your vasty theories, expectin', demandin', awe and respect from the local yokels, and -- gosh, darn it! -- you just don't get why the locals find you off-puttin'.

That's calling it like it is, so far as I can see.

So far, he's got two things definitely wrong in his speaking about the Bible: he's got the wrong idea of what "judgment" means, and he didn't know what Daniel and Revelation actually say. The former would take some doctrine, which he claims to despise anyway -- but the latter is verifiable by anybody with a concordance, so he's got at least those two things verifiably wrong...

So I'm waiting for him to wow me with his knowledge. I haven't seen it just yet.

[henry quirk]

Really, more of your pointless bull-shit? Show us all.

Oh, okay, no Christian Anarchists...

Mebbe, then, you can tell me how you removed the log from your eye to better spy the splinter in mine?

[Immanuel Can]

What is the foundation of literacy, every form of information processing?

This is not a grammatical sentence. It seems to be a comma splice error. So I can't tell what you're asking me.

[henry quirk]

You waded into this place thinkin' you were gonna make a big splash with your vasty theories, expectin', demandin', awe and respect from the local yokels, and -- gosh, darn it! -- you just don't get why the locals find you off-puttin'.

That's calling it like it is, so far as I can see.

So far, he's got two things definitely wrong in his speaking about the Bible: he's got the wrong idea of what "judgment" means, and he didn't know what Daniel and Revelation actually say. The former would take some doctrine, which he claims to despise anyway -- but the latter is verifiable by anybody with a concordance, so he's got at least those two things verifiably wrong...

So I'm waiting for him to wow me with his knowledge. I haven't seen it just yet.

You're gonna be waitin' a long time.

It's a shame, really: if he'd just talk to us instead talkin' at us, he and we'd have a better time of it.

[Immanuel Can]

It's a shame, really: if he'd just talk to us instead talkin' at us, he and we'd have a better time of it.

Yep.

What is this thing people have lately for writing long, rambling speeches, as if we're supposed to sit in awe and listen to them expatiate? One guy actually tried to tell me I owed him to write an "essay" (his word) to explain my thoughts, after he had written something long and rambling of that kind.

Who gets to be windy without being questioned here? And why do they get so thin-skinned when you don't immediately just enthuse about their speechifying and fall into line behind them?

What gives?

[henry quirk]

It's a shame, really: if he'd just talk to us instead talkin' at us, he and we'd have a better time of it.

Yep.

What is this thing people have lately for writing long, rambling speeches, as if we're supposed to sit in awe and listen to them expatiate? One guy actually tried to tell me I owed him to write an "essay" (his word) to explain my thoughts, after he had written something long and rambling of that kind.

Who gets to be windy without being questioned here? And why do they get so thin-skinned when you don't immediately just enthuse about their speechifying and fall into line behind them?

What gives?

Autism, ass-burgers, or some other disorder.

You know as well as me: this place is lousy with broken heads.

and, yeah, phil: I know it's asperger syndrome...ass-burgers is funny

[Immanuel Can]

Autism, ass-burgers, or some other disorder.

You know as well as me: this place is lousy with broken heads.

and, yeah, phil: I know it's asperger syndrome...ass-burgers is funny

Wow. We're reduced to explaining jokes now.

I feel suddenly sad.

[Belinda]

It ain't your criticisms that offend: it's your demeanor.

As I say: You waded into this place thinkin' you were gonna make a big splash with your vasty theories, expectin', demandin', awe and respect from the local yokels, and -- gosh, darn it! -- you just don't get why the locals find you off-puttin'.

Wonderful, then you show that you know what the foundation is for every system of grammar and judgment, you obviously have the key to the Bible. Show everyone.

Why should I submit to your test?
there's no reason at all 'cept to aid you in drawin' attention away from your autist ways

who are you to test me?
nobody

My turn: gimme your assessments of these quotes...

The dictionary definition of a Christian is one who follows Christ; kind, kindly, Christ-like. Anarchism is voluntary cooperation for good, with the right of secession. A Christian anarchist is therefore one who turns the other cheek, overturns the tables of the moneychangers, and does not need a cop to tell him how to behave. A Christian anarchist does not depend upon bullets or ballots to achieve his ideal; he achieves that ideal daily by the One-Man Revolution with which he faces a decadent, confused, and dying world. Ammon Hennacy

I'm not trying to change the world. I'm trying to stop the world from changing me. Ammon Hennacy

But you have been changed by the world.

Henry's folksy slang does not disguise his good use of English, not an ability which Henry was born with but an ability he was taught by the social world.

[Dubious]

...not only is the old way of seeing the Universe and ourselves in it rendered unreal and a description that no longer functions, but the same truth-seeing and truth-telling adventure leads also to the destruction and undermining of meanings and values themselves.

Since almost everything in the universe is in a state of flux and movement most of what was once seemingly established is moved away from any of its prior positions. Time makes this inevitable because that is its function...simply stated.

A certain sort of mind, with certain intentions, dismisses the core truths in the mythologies, can no longer see and appreciate them.

...that "certain sort" would be wrong since they still incorporate as metaphors and suchlike the main and most important elements of human nature. Mythologies were never just simple stories but highly complex. Its simplicity resides mostly in the way its meaning is conveyed. Even Jesus spoke often in parables. Something Jung understood perfectly.

What I find curious in this present conversation is, on one hand, Immanuel Can's intractable insistence that the mythologies of Jesus and Christianity are 'absolutely true' and can only be seen through an absolutist's lens, and on the other the necessary stance (an inevitable one) through which meaning & value are received while the Story, in so many aspects, cannot any longer be believed in.

As above, stories can be the conveyor as much as any philosophy of what amounts to meaning and value; more so without being considered literal.

The implications it seems to me are extraordinary. Because this posits a different sort of mind -- a far more subtle mind -- than that of the crude believer. The 'crude believer' has become, in a way, an untransformed and rather blunt person. Their faith is an enforcement on Reality of structures of view that they must believe are absolutely true.

As mentioned before a few times, the "crude believer" as you quite accurately denote, is a complete and total DEAD END that can't escape its own mental cul-de-sac. With such a mind there is no hope in the contemplation of mysteries to be discovered and pondered upon. All the features of reality resound throughout the cosmos in multitudinous displays which demands a continuous wandering and exploration to discover not unlike, as in previous times, continents once thought to be existing.

Also, as mentioned many times; belief may fade but the necessity for ritual is inherent in human nature existing before any god was created.

[Wizard22]

What can be said about Christianity that has not already been said for a thousand years?

Perhaps that, Christianity has a place in the future, but not like many expect. Christianity used to be Strong in Centuries long since back, when the Catholic Church ruled Europe with an iron fist, and challenged competitors to its Faith. The Kingdom of Heaven, Christendom, has long since faded from the minds of European men, and women. The Old World has disappeared, replaced by the Nihilism and Hopelessness of the New World.

Christ needs another Resurrection....

[Phil8659]

Okay guys, as you bragged that you know but could not demonstrate how the world will come to worship one God, and be of one accord.

See the essay, Binary Recursion Demonstrated on this GPD. page, examine, see what Socrates saw, Plato, and the author of the Bible.

And then consider, who is really autistic.

Adam and Eve are a Conjugate Binary Pair, whereby Complete induction produce the life of man.

[henry quirk]

Autism, ass-burgers, or some other disorder.

You know as well as me: this place is lousy with broken heads.

and, yeah, phil: I know it's asperger syndrome...ass-burgers is funny

Wow. We're reduced to explaining jokes now.

I feel suddenly sad.

Yeah, I know, I feel the same. It was offer a preemptive explanation or spend ten pages gettin' lectured on my bein' ignorant...I'm thinkin' I'm gonna get, we're all gonna get, those ten pages no matter what I, or any of us, say. He's hellbent on bein' a big fish. I believe I shall refrain from castin' my hook in his direction.

[henry quirk]

But you have been changed by the world.

Henry's folksy slang does not disguise his good use of English, not an ability which Henry was born with but an ability he was taught by the social world.

Well, I was taught to read and write by my Ma. What I've done with that education, good or bad, is on me.

Not seein' how I, or you, are changed, without our consent, by the world (certainly, there's a whole whack of folks out there who work hard to get in our heads, but we have to consent).

[Belinda]

But you have been changed by the world.

Henry's folksy slang does not disguise his good use of English, not an ability which Henry was born with but an ability he was taught by the social world.

Well, I was taught to read and write by my Ma. What I've done with that education, good or bad, is on me.

Not seein' how I, or you, are changed, without our consent, by the world (certainly, there's a whole whack of folks out there who work hard to get in our heads, but we have to consent).

It's the social world that provides you with the mental tools to choose whether or not you consent. Good on your mother for teaching you. However she was not reared apart from others, and probably had other children to play with. Young children learn how to get on with each other and cooperate through play.