Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

Moderators: AMod, iMod

Post Reply
Veritas Aequitas
Posts: 15722
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:41 am

Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical

Post by Veritas Aequitas »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXLqMJREO5w
The argument to design, in the form of the fine-tuning argument, is probably the second most popular argument for God's existence. It states that the universe has been dealt a "winning hand" by having its parameters be just right to be able to support life -- specifically, our kind of life. Like the Kalam, it appeals to intuition and emotion in an attempt to make atheism look unreasonable.

But there are problems. What's so special about a universe with humans it it that it calls for an explanation other than random chance? How does the apologist know that chance would even be involved, that such a universe isn't metaphysically necessary? How does he know the universe has one "fine-tuner" instead of many? In exploring these problems and others, we'll discover why the argument is utterly unconvincing.

0:00 Blinded by Numbers
1:47 Skol
3:43 Royal Fizzbin
5:54 A Tiny Raft of a Planet
7:34 The Bayesian Approach
11:00 Push to Talk
12:46 Las Vegas and Bletchley Park
15:48 No, I Didn't Forget the Multiverse
17:13 At the Bottom of a Valley
Iwannaplato
Posts: 8538
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:55 pm

Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical

Post by Iwannaplato »

Well, that video started with a strawman. Very few of the fine-tuning people talk about 1" in relation to the sun. And NONE of the scientists who believe in a Fine-tuned universe do.
Iwannaplato
Posts: 8538
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:55 pm

Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical

Post by Iwannaplato »

So, how does the video start. It focuses on what one theist brought up which was actually a confused conclusion about fine tuning. Physicists on the other hand have a dozen examples where very tiny changes in contants and laws would have made life impossible anywhere in the universe. Admittedly those physicists are talked about a Fine Tuned universe but the argument is similar, but in this case made by experts who know their shit. The video maker and ex-Christian and philosophy enthusiast, but not really an expert of any kind, which is obvious, is actually not making that good a case. But VA grabs it.
Atla
Posts: 9936
Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:27 am

Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical

Post by Atla »

Like, any serious philosophy has to acknowledge the fine-tuning problem. A world inhabited by intelligent beings is improbable far beyond any human comprehension.
Impenitent
Posts: 5775
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:04 pm

Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical

Post by Impenitent »

fine-tuning sounds like a penalty for being off key...

-Imp
User avatar
Sculptor
Posts: 8859
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:32 pm

Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical

Post by Sculptor »

It's not so much illogical - that over used and mis used word..

It is not relevant or significant since it (the fine tuning) is just a circular argument.
Post Reply