https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXLqMJREO5w
The argument to design, in the form of the fine-tuning argument, is probably the second most popular argument for God's existence. It states that the universe has been dealt a "winning hand" by having its parameters be just right to be able to support life -- specifically, our kind of life. Like the Kalam, it appeals to intuition and emotion in an attempt to make atheism look unreasonable.
But there are problems. What's so special about a universe with humans it it that it calls for an explanation other than random chance? How does the apologist know that chance would even be involved, that such a universe isn't metaphysically necessary? How does he know the universe has one "fine-tuner" instead of many? In exploring these problems and others, we'll discover why the argument is utterly unconvincing.
0:00 Blinded by Numbers
1:47 Skol
3:43 Royal Fizzbin
5:54 A Tiny Raft of a Planet
7:34 The Bayesian Approach
11:00 Push to Talk
12:46 Las Vegas and Bletchley Park
15:48 No, I Didn't Forget the Multiverse
17:13 At the Bottom of a Valley
Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical
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Veritas Aequitas
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Iwannaplato
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Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical
Well, that video started with a strawman. Very few of the fine-tuning people talk about 1" in relation to the sun. And NONE of the scientists who believe in a Fine-tuned universe do.
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Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical
So, how does the video start. It focuses on what one theist brought up which was actually a confused conclusion about fine tuning. Physicists on the other hand have a dozen examples where very tiny changes in contants and laws would have made life impossible anywhere in the universe. Admittedly those physicists are talked about a Fine Tuned universe but the argument is similar, but in this case made by experts who know their shit. The video maker and ex-Christian and philosophy enthusiast, but not really an expert of any kind, which is obvious, is actually not making that good a case. But VA grabs it.
Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical
Like, any serious philosophy has to acknowledge the fine-tuning problem. A world inhabited by intelligent beings is improbable far beyond any human comprehension.
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Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical
fine-tuning sounds like a penalty for being off key...
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Re: Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical
It's not so much illogical - that over used and mis used word..
It is not relevant or significant since it (the fine tuning) is just a circular argument.
It is not relevant or significant since it (the fine tuning) is just a circular argument.