Einstein’s Famous Quote About Science and Religion

[socrat44]

Jerry A. Coyne / December 5, 2013
Einstein’s Famous Quote About Science and Religion
Didn’t Mean What You Were Taught
The scientist actually offers no solace to believers
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“Though religion may be that which determines the goal, it has, nevertheless, learned from science, in the broadest sense,
what means will contribute to the attainment of the goals it has set up. But science can only be created by those who are
thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the
sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence
are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith.
The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity
does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

"Although Einstein didn’t believe in a conventional god, his explanation of the harmony between science and faith has been
widely misunderstood, and some of that is his own fault. What he should have done is abandon the world “faith” in favor
of “confidence born of experience,” and not tried to argue that curiosity and wonder before nature was a form of religion.
It is that confusion (or perhaps that imprecision of language) that has led to prolonged debate about and misrepresentation
of what Einstein believed about God and religion."
https://newrepublic.com/article/115821/ ... ean-taught

[seeds]

Jerry A. Coyne / December 5, 2013
Einstein’s Famous Quote About Science and Religion
Didn’t Mean What You Were Taught
[......]

Einstein evidently said a lot of things that would make his stance on God somewhat ambiguous.

According to Wiki:

Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood. Albert Einstein stated that he believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza. He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naive. He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever."

I bet no one ever suggested to him that he...

(or at least his "key" discovery - E=mc^2)

...may have been prophesied in Revelation chapter 9 of the Bible...

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace"...

The truth is that Einstein, like most humans, simply wasn't conscious enough to realize that he wasn't conscious enough to comprehend what God truly is.
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[socrat44]

Logic And Reasoning Are Not Enough When It Comes To Science
Ethan Siegel, Senior Contributor
Feb 24, 2021,
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Time and time again, science has demonstrated that nature often defies logic,
as its rules are more arcane than we’d ever intuit without performing the experiments ourselves.
Here are three examples that illustrate how logic and reasoning are simply not enough when it comes to science.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswith ... 134f224fae

“Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.”
/Werner Heisenberg/
The ‘paradox’ is only a conflict between reality and your feeling of what reality ‘ought to be’.
/Richard P. Feynman/
'' The theory of quantum electrodynamics describes Nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense.
And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you accept Nature as She is — absurd. ''
/QED : The Strange Theory of Light and Matter page. 10. by R. Feynman/

[popeye1945]

I do not think there was any ambiguity in Einstein's statement if one has read enough about him. Steven Hawking stated he shares the same sense of a religious feeling a spiritual feeling while stating that religion is for those who are afraid of the dark. The desert religions are keeping a deem night light burning for the unspiritual fearful faithful.

[bobmax]

I think Einstein had faith.
However, a distinction must be made between faith and superstition.

Superstition is believing in the existence of something that does not show the foundation of its being there.

While faith is believing in the Truth.

Since the Truth is not something, and what is not something does not exist, that is, it is nothing... believing in the Truth is to believe in the Nothingness.

The search for Truth inevitably refers to myself. It's as if the Truth needs me.

[socrat44]

I do not think there was any ambiguity in Einstein's statement if one has read enough about him. Steven Hawking stated he shares the same sense of a religious feeling a spiritual feeling while stating that religion is for those who are afraid of the dark. The desert religions are keeping a deem night light burning for the unspiritual fearful faithful.

“God was always invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain
those things that you do not understand. Now, when you finally discover
how something works … you don't need him anymore. But … you leave him to create
the universe because we haven't figured that out yet.”
/Richard P. Feynman/

[popeye1945]

socrat44,

EXCELLENT!!!!!!




bobmacs,

Necessarily true as all meaning is the property of the subject.

by the way, welcome!!!

[Iwannaplato]

“God was always invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain
those things that you do not understand. Now, when you finally discover
how something works … you don't need him anymore. But … you leave him to create
the universe because we haven't figured that out yet.”
/Richard P. Feynman/

If that is meant to explain why theists believe in God, it is a very incomplete answer and irrelevant to many theists.

[popeye1945]

“God was always invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain
those things that you do not understand. Now, when you finally discover
how something works … you don't need him anymore. But … you leave him to create
the universe because we haven't figured that out yet.”
/Richard P. Feynman/

If that is meant to explain why theists believe in God, it is a very incomplete answer and irrelevant to many theists.

Iwannaplato,
No answer would ever be complete and relevant to a theist for evidence to them is irrelevant. That is probably because it is an emotional position and not a reasonable one.

[Iwannaplato]

Iwannaplato,
No answer would ever be complete and relevant to a theist for evidence to them is irrelevant. That is probably because it is an emotional position and not a reasonable one.

It seemed like a quote intended as communication between atheists or non-believers, at least also. I don't think it's a great idea for people who are taking the rational high ground. 'You people......(or 'Those people....) are not very rational.' And while doing that mind read and do a poor incomplete job of it. I was not evaluating it as a weak argument to convince theists they are wrong. I was evaluating it as including an assertion I don't think is correct and futher is a kind of mind reading. You wanna take the high ground, then live up to the criteria you are judging others for not using. I can't tell you how much I read atheists proclaiming things that don't seem at all correct to me (about theists and others) while also engaging in what amounts to mind reading or fallacious logic. It's kinda like...my team is right about this main issue, so I can say whatever I want and I don't have to live up to my own epistemology because...my team is right.

I can't see how that does anything good for anyone except perhaps it's cathartic for the speaker.

[socrat44]

Iwannaplato,
No answer would ever be complete and relevant to a theist for evidence to them is irrelevant.
That is probably because it is an emotional position and not a reasonable one.

"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt."
/Richard P. Feynman/

[Iwannaplato]

Iwannaplato,
No answer would ever be complete and relevant to a theist for evidence to them is irrelevant.
That is probably because it is an emotional position and not a reasonable one.

"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt."
/Richard P. Feynman/

He should have doubted his own mind reading of theists.

[bobmax]

bobmacs,

Necessarily true as all meaning is the property of the subject.

by the way, welcome!!!

Thank you!

I think there is something more ...

Because the Truth is the same Being. It can only be so.

And since in essence I am Being ... the Truth can only hide within me, it is what I really am.

[popeye1945]

Iwannaplato,
No answer would ever be complete and relevant to a theist for evidence to them is irrelevant. That is probably because it is an emotional position and not a reasonable one.

It seemed like a quote intended as communication between atheists or non-believers, at least also. I don't think it's a great idea for people who are taking the rational high ground. 'You people......(or 'Those people....) are not very rational.' And while doing that mind read and do a poor incomplete job of it. I was not evaluating it as a weak argument to convince theists they are wrong. I was evaluating it as including an assertion I don't think is correct and futher is a kind of mind reading. You wanna take the high ground, then live up to the criteria you are judging others for not using. I can't tell you how much I read atheists proclaiming things that don't seem at all correct to me (about theists and others) while also engaging in what amounts to mind reading or fallacious logic. It's kinda like...my team is right about this main issue, so I can say whatever I want and I don't have to live up to my own epistemology because...my team is right.

I can't see how that does anything good for anyone except perhaps it's cathartic for the speaker.

Iwannaplato,
Simply provide evidence for your beliefs and my statement is defuncted. You should if you wish to be honest decide how you get to your belief, if it is not by intellectual means or emotional means then please indicate by what means.

[popeye1945]

Iwannaplato,
No answer would ever be complete and relevant to a theist for evidence to them is irrelevant.
That is probably because it is an emotional position and not a reasonable one.

"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt."
/Richard P. Feynman/

socrat44,

What is faith but a license not to think?