The answer that IC gives is that we are living in the falling world!Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:29 amI'm speaking entirely in reference to human beings. A virus is not a living organism. It has no feelings. It doesn't fear death. It doesn't feel pain, it has no concept of good or evil. It is only good or evil in relation to a human being. A virus isn't anything "to itself". According to the Bible which most accept, God created humans to have dominion over other creatures. According to the Bible, God created us in his image, NOT a virus. If that is true, then God created the evil things that plague us as well.Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:49 pmIn relation to what, EXACTLY?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:32 am
Is an Ebola virus cell a good thing? Is the venom gland in a rattlesnake a good thing? Is a cancer cell a good thing?
The ebola virus cell is a good thing to the 'ebola virus', the venom gland of a rattlesnake is a 'good thing' to a rattlesnake, and the cancer cell is a 'good thing' to cancer. But do you only LOOK AT the Life and living from the human being perspective only and expect Life, Itself, good and bad SHOULD revolve around 'you', human beings, ONLY?
BTW: If you wish, we could reverse the argument, that God created humans to destroy viruses while seeking to avoid them and therefore making humans evil; again, the relationship is entirely antagonistic and if God is the creator, then he created the antagonism as well. So again, God is not strictly a good God from our perspective. He/she/it (it doesn't really matter how you wish to address God for the purposes of the argument at hand) created antagonisms that affect us very harshly at times.
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Words, in reality, can actually do SOMETHING. For example 'words' have made 'you', (the word denoting the one here known as "dontaskme"), DO SOMETHING. That is; RESPOND, and with 'words', I will add.
So, ACTUALLY, in reality, a 'word' DID SOMETHING.
And 'you' appear to be UNABLE to FREE "your" 'self' from the NEED to read the 'words', which I place before 'you'.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:46 pm There's only the perception of doing as and through the intentional descriptive power of words. Which are basically perceptions/stories that do not NEED to be read...except to gain some kind of model or storyline about what is in reality ABSOLUTELY without model or story.
Just because 'you' are NOT YET AWARE of thee one and ONLY IRREFUTABLE True story of 'the Absolute', which ABSOLUTELY includes 'I', this does NOT mean that there is NO story of 'I'. This just means that 'you' are STILL somewhat LOST and CONFUSED. That is all.
But there is NO division of, nor in, 'I'. Of course other than the ones 'you' MAKE UP and TELL
AND this is WHY thee one and ONLY 'I' KNOWS what thee one and ONLY True story REALLY IS.
LOL and HOW does 'one' KNOW THIS?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:46 pm Going nowhere, accomplishing and achieving ABSOLUTELY nothing. The ABSOLUTE has no copyright.....copyright is a fiction...it's the dream of separation believed to be real.
The real real is without belief or story or model...because it's ABSOLUTE...therefore, any relative, objective truth about the Absolute is ABSURD.
'you' STILL seem to NOT YET KNOW just how often 'you' CONTRADICT "your' OWN 'self' here. 'you' SAY, "The real real is ..." "because it is ABSOLUTE", but then 'you' go on to ALSO SAY that absolutely ANY 'truth' about the Absolute is ABSURD. Which ULTIMATELY means what 'you' SAY about, "The real real is ..." IS ABSURD. And, even more ABSURD because 'you' SAY, "because it's ABSOLUTE".
So, what this ACTUALLY MEANS is "your' OWN CONTRADICTIONS even 'contradict' their OWN selves.
Oh, and by the way, 'you' have used a LOT of 'words' in just 'trying to' DEFLECT from the Fact that 'you' ACTUALLY DID ask a question, which 'you' could have figured out "yourself".
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Age wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:06 amWords, in reality, can actually do SOMETHING. For example 'words' have made 'you', (the word denoting the one here known as "dontaskme"), DO SOMETHING. That is; RESPOND, and with 'words', I will add.
So, ACTUALLY, in reality, a 'word' DID SOMETHING.
And 'you' appear to be UNABLE to FREE "your" 'self' from the NEED to read the 'words', which I place before 'you'.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:46 pm There's only the perception of doing as and through the intentional descriptive power of words. Which are basically perceptions/stories that do not NEED to be read...except to gain some kind of model or storyline about what is in reality ABSOLUTELY without model or story.Just because 'you' are NOT YET AWARE of thee one and ONLY IRREFUTABLE True story of 'the Absolute', which ABSOLUTELY includes 'I', this does NOT mean that there is NO story of 'I'. This just means that 'you' are STILL somewhat LOST and CONFUSED. That is all.
But there is NO division of, nor in, 'I'. Of course other than the ones 'you' MAKE UP and TELLAND this is WHY thee one and ONLY 'I' KNOWS what thee one and ONLY True story REALLY IS.LOL and HOW does 'one' KNOW THIS?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:46 pm Going nowhere, accomplishing and achieving ABSOLUTELY nothing. The ABSOLUTE has no copyright.....copyright is a fiction...it's the dream of separation believed to be real.
The real real is without belief or story or model...because it's ABSOLUTE...therefore, any relative, objective truth about the Absolute is ABSURD.
'you' STILL seem to NOT YET KNOW just how often 'you' CONTRADICT "your' OWN 'self' here. 'you' SAY, "The real real is ..." "because it is ABSOLUTE", but then 'you' go on to ALSO SAY that absolutely ANY 'truth' about the Absolute is ABSURD. Which ULTIMATELY means what 'you' SAY about, "The real real is ..." IS ABSURD. And, even more ABSURD because 'you' SAY, "because it's ABSOLUTE".
So, what this ACTUALLY MEANS is "your' OWN CONTRADICTIONS even 'contradict' their OWN selves.
Oh, and by the way, 'you' have used a LOT of 'words' in just 'trying to' DEFLECT from the Fact that 'you' ACTUALLY DID ask a question, which 'you' could have figured out "yourself".
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The Myth of Consensual Consent.
Is'nt there some body you forgot to ask.
Who told you you exist.
(CON sent ) is a myth
Is'nt there some body you forgot to ask.
Who told you you exist.
(CON sent ) is a myth
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How does one know this…is because I do know this.
Don’t ask me WHY
I just know what I know but don’t know how or why I know.
Google deals with in terror gation issues…do I look like Google to you!
HOW or WHY is any thing known….it just is. There is no how or why….
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But there IS an answer to EVERY HOW and WHY, including to HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does. But, then again, some of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being, has absolutely NO idea NOR clue as to what the answer IS, EXACTLY, correct?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:21 pmHow does one know this…is because I do know this.
Don’t ask me WHY
I just know what I know but don’t know how or why I know.
Google deals with in terror gation issues…do I look like Google to you!
HOW or WHY is any thing known….it just is. There is no how or why….
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IncorrectAge wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:50 pmBut there IS an answer to EVERY HOW and WHY, including to HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does. But, then again, some of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being, has absolutely NO idea NOR clue as to what the answer IS, EXACTLY, correct?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:21 pmHow does one know this…is because I do know this.
Don’t ask me WHY
I just know what I know but don’t know how or why I know.
Google deals with in terror gation issues…do I look like Google to you!
HOW or WHY is any thing known….it just is. There is no how or why….
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SO, "donatskme" SAYS that EVERY adult human being, in the days when this is being written, has AN idea OR clue as to EVERY HOW and WHY, including to HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does. Therefore, will you inform us of what your idea OR clue IS of HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:56 pmIncorrectAge wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:50 pmBut there IS an answer to EVERY HOW and WHY, including to HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does. But, then again, some of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being, has absolutely NO idea NOR clue as to what the answer IS, EXACTLY, correct?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:21 pm
How does one know this…is because I do know this.
Don’t ask me WHY
I just know what I know but don’t know how or why I know.
Google deals with in terror gation issues…do I look like Google to you!
HOW or WHY is any thing known….it just is. There is no how or why….
if no, then WHY NOT?
By the way, would you care to inform us firstly of EXACTLY HOW does the Universe exist, EXACTLY as It does?
Again if no, then WHY NOT?
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You already know …so …don’t ask meAge wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:04 pmSO, "donatskme" SAYS that EVERY adult human being, in the days when this is being written, has AN idea OR clue as to EVERY HOW and WHY, including to HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does. Therefore, will you inform us of what your idea OR clue IS of HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:56 pmIncorrectAge wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:50 pm
But there IS an answer to EVERY HOW and WHY, including to HOW and WHY the Universe exists EXACTLY as It does. But, then again, some of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being, has absolutely NO idea NOR clue as to what the answer IS, EXACTLY, correct?
if no, then WHY NOT?
By the way, would you care to inform us firstly of EXACTLY HOW does the Universe exist, EXACTLY as It does?
Again if no, then WHY NOT?
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What Genesis says is that when the Creation was made, such things did not exist. They are products of a fallen environment, which is a consequence of man's alienation from God.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:32 am Is an Ebola virus cell a good thing? Is the venom gland in a rattlesnake a good thing? Is a cancer cell a good thing?
Ebola's a particularly good example, for that matter: it's likely a man-caused virus. But in the other cases, there were apparently originally neither harmful creatures, such as rattlesnakes with venomous fangs, nor genetic malfunctions, of which cancer is an example.
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And thus we stand poised before one of the great natural mysteries. The origin of the rattler.
Questions. Did god create the rattler before or after the great flood. if before, shirley Noah caught him a couple and put em on the boat, yeah?
If after, when did god decide to create the species? Like when wuz god like 'you know what, I think I'm gonna make some rattlesnakes.'
Questions. Did god create the rattler before or after the great flood. if before, shirley Noah caught him a couple and put em on the boat, yeah?
If after, when did god decide to create the species? Like when wuz god like 'you know what, I think I'm gonna make some rattlesnakes.'
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I don't know "Shirley Noah."promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 10:10 pm And thus we stand poised before one of the great natural mysteries. The origin of the rattler.
Questions. Did god create the rattler before or after the great flood. if before, shirley Noah caught him a couple and put em on the boat, yeah?
If after, when did god decide to create the species? Like when wuz god like 'you know what, I think I'm gonna make some rattlesnakes.'
Was she a dancer, back in the '50s?
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Didn't God know that the Fall of Adam and Eve would happen? If yes why did he create the tree of knowledge of good and evil?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 6:13 pmWhat Genesis says is that when the Creation was made, such things did not exist. They are products of a fallen environment, which is a consequence of man's alienation from God.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:32 am Is an Ebola virus cell a good thing? Is the venom gland in a rattlesnake a good thing? Is a cancer cell a good thing?
Ebola's a particularly good example, for that matter: it's likely a man-caused virus. But in the other cases, there were apparently originally neither harmful creatures, such as rattlesnakes with venomous fangs, nor genetic malfunctions, of which cancer is an example.
