Should NATO dismantle?

[promethean75]

Well I don't know about y'all but I don't wanna get drafted. Real talk. I'd dodge a draft no matter how severe the consequences. well maybe if I wuz just a guy on reserves or something. And no front line infantry shit either. If imma risk getting shot, it's going to be by a few police, against whom I might stand a chance, instead of an enemy army. I stand a better chance of staying alive by dodging a draft (unless I get an office job).

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Well I don't know about y'all but I don't wanna get drafted. Real talk. I'd dodge a draft no matter how severe the consequences. well maybe if I wuz just a guy on reserves or something. And no front line infantry shit either. If imma risk getting shot, it's going to be by a few police, against whom I might stand a chance, instead of an enemy army. I stand a better chance of staying alive by dodging a draft (unless I get an office job).

Think about it. If EVERYONE refused then what could they do?

[Walker]

Think about it. If EVERYONE refused then what could they do?

Lose.

There are implications.

[commonsense]

Well I don't know about y'all but I don't wanna get drafted. Real talk. I'd dodge a draft no matter how severe the consequences. well maybe if I wuz just a guy on reserves or something. And no front line infantry shit either. If imma risk getting shot, it's going to be by a few police, against whom I might stand a chance, instead of an enemy army. I stand a better chance of staying alive by dodging a draft (unless I get an office job).

Think about it. If EVERYONE refused then what could they do?

BTW, Abby Hoffman wrote Steal This Book , which urged everyone to dodge the draft for the Vietnam War in the early 70’s.

[Walker]

BTW, Abby Hoffman wrote Steal This Book , which urged everyone to dodge the draft for the Vietnam War in the early 70’s.

Yep, it used to be more than theory.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Think about it. If EVERYONE refused then what could they do?

Lose.

There are implications.

Everyone means everyone, idiot.

[Dontaskme]

"Spooky or what?"

No not spooky. Not at all. All the phenomena named is perfectly natural; thunder, earth quakes, fire, lightening, blazing stars falling from the sky or whatever. Somebody saw a meteor one time and without having any scientific knowledge about such a thing, reported it as alien and divine... sent by God or angels or something. How else are they to understand it?

And the Ezekiel thing about the spaceship lookin structure with the pillars that look like jet engines... that's just the fictitious product of the writer. He knows, we know, and this Ezekiel guy knows, that no such thing literally happened, and the purpose of the writing there was metaphorical, symbolic and mythological. The image of this thing was probably the mental reproduction of some kind of war machine or chariot or whatever they had back then.

But, BUT, if it is true, why it's an alien space craft obviously.

Still no literal 'god' is needed to explain anything here.

Interstellar travelling intelligent life coming to the erf is half as unheard of as the belief in a literal 'god' (of the anthropomorphic variety) ordering an army of angels to wage war on the erf, is.

You can call your aliens 'gods' if you want, but you can't call any of this stuff 'divine' in a metaphysical sense. The alien guys are just another animal product of a locally eco-ordered but ultimately non-onto-teleogical process of biologo-material evolution.

promethean75 thanks for your response.

I like reading what you have to say.

I personally do not believe in a literal God either.

My idea about god is that god is simply ''everything'' that is, was and ever will be...So even Hitler is god....And by god I mean it's just another word for consciousness which is ''everything'' that has no beginning, because a beginning implies an END....But, as consciousness, we simply cannot know if the end of the world has happened. None of us alive will ever know if the end of the world happens...simply because we are not making the happening happen...I'm sure you will agree with that.

Anyway...I also believe the revelation 8 text was written as a mystical myth, much like all poetry and imagined stories...I mean if some object can be imagined, that object imagined can and will eventually be brought into existence using the materials that are already available to us, materials that we didn't have any part in making...rather the materials made us...and then we just went on to make MODELS from the materials..and then gave them names..that were created from out of our own imagination..

Sorry to go off on a wild tangent...It seems i just start getting carried away with all sorts of ideas when discussing the world in which we live.

[Dontaskme]

Well I don't know about y'all but I don't wanna get drafted. Real talk. I'd dodge a draft no matter how severe the consequences. well maybe if I wuz just a guy on reserves or something. And no front line infantry shit either. If imma risk getting shot, it's going to be by a few police, against whom I might stand a chance, instead of an enemy army. I stand a better chance of staying alive by dodging a draft (unless I get an office job).

Think about it. If EVERYONE refused then what could they do?

That's a good point that has always crossed my mind...why don't people just stop playing the role of soldier who murders in cold blood innocent women, men, children and pregnant bellies? Not to mention blow to pieces the very house that is supposed to be their only security from the big bad world outside.

Why would any sane human being sign up for that job?

There is seriously something very wrong with the mentality that expresses itself as human.

We already know that when something feels wrong, we know not to cause the wrong...so what's going wrong?

Maybe it's just natures way ...order out of chaos, no chaos, no order...forever and ever...it's all so stoooopid, in my opinion.

[Dontaskme]

Think about it. If EVERYONE refused then what could they do?

Lose.

There are implications.

Everyone means everyone, idiot.

When you lose you win, and when you win you lose...why, because can't have a winner without a loser and vice versa.
One is the cause of the other.

This stops ONLY when we stop playing the game...but it seems we like playing the game, otherwise we'd stop recreating it by making more models of ourselves through replication... so be it.

Why do people in countries where the earth is scorched and drought is almost irreversible think it's ok to keep on having babies...knowing they will be starving...why?...because humans are idiots, full stop.

[Dontaskme]

If only this were how things were in the real world, what a wonderful world it would be.

Treaties like the NATO agreement afford the signees greater military strength, which in turn increases diplomatic gravitas.

NATO was given plenty of time to move away from the cookie jar...they refused, because most humans are incapable of being heroic diplomats, they prefer to be the fat controllers. It's not a tactful feeling, to lose control of a position one is hell bent of not letting go of.

[Impenitent]

https://news.yahoo.com/finland-sweden-p ... p_catchall

more members?

-Imp

[Dontaskme]

https://news.yahoo.com/finland-sweden-p ... p_catchall

more members?

-Imp

They're only thinking about joining NATO because they too are now feeling threatened...but by doing so, will only Ratchet up the tensions even more.

And maybe that's all part of the big plan. Maybe a one world order or NWO is the only answer when it comes to balancing any perceived imbalance.

Either a NWO or each single country to their own way of living..forming a new non-alliance mentality.

Or how about every single country on the entire planet join NATO.... that's even better, who would threaten that alliance?

I'm sorry, but we can do better than this...surely? ..but if not, then we really do not deserve to be here.

[Sculptor]

NATO should have dismantled when the Soviet Union did, accepting that their raison d'etre was then at an end.

Since which time is has been engineering ways to try to make itself relevant.
Individuals on the pay role of NATO have been working hard to keep their jobs.

This struggle to keep their jobs lies at the heart of the Ukraine crisis as NATO have been poking the bear for over 20 years with the result that we now have a war, which is the cherry on the top for the employees of NATO who have now secured for themselves employment for at least another generation.

[Dontaskme]

NATO should have dismantled when the Soviet Union did, accepting that their raison d'etre was then at an end.

Since which time is has been engineering ways to try to make itself relevant.
Individuals on the pay role of NATO have been working hard to keep their jobs.

This struggle to keep their jobs lies at the heart of the Ukraine crisis as NATO have been poking the bear for over 20 years with the result that we now have a war, which is the cherry on the top for the employees of NATO who have now secured for themselves employment for at least another generation.

[promethean75]

I am not at liberty to offer an opinion on this matter at this moment. For it would be ill-advised to pass judgement on such an organization without also considering and having comprehensive knowledge of its actions elsewhere in the world and to what advantage, and for whom, the organization worked.

A strong point you make nonetheless. NATO might end up being a useless organization that was never really needed, but kept around because it created jobs.

I can imagine an alternate history in which NATO didn't exist, and affairs carried on more or less the same. Military conflicts around the world were resolved some other way, and nobody was ever heard to say 'damn there should be a NATO or something to handle stuff like this '