Putin's War Crimes

[Dontaskme]

Below are images of what life means to a dictator with a big ego and obviously a very very small penis..

Mariupol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol

Apparently, that's how you "de-nazify" a place, by killing everyone and everything in it. Hitler would be inspired.

Humans are sneaky pretentious do-gooder pieces of lying pond scum. They are dinosaurs wearing ball-gowns and tuxedos, strutting around on centre-stage as if they own the place. A rotting apple never falls far from the tree. Humans just need to stop denying their true raw and real nature. No living sentient creature except the human being puffs itself up with such enormous delusion of grandeur as the man-made self-centred belief that they are the special chosen golden child of god.

The sense of self, being a pretentious and fake sense of 'otherness', is natures biggest flaw. Where there is a ''sense of self'' there is some other thing to defend, and that defence will defend to the death, no matter how many 'other selves' it takes down with it.

So goes the story of life on earth, the final battle is won when every man is dead. The only good man is a dead man.


"Only the dead have seen the end of war"

Of course the God makers will always swoon at the real raw truth. But the truth is the peace that passes all understanding, and the truth will set you free, the truth is unconditional love, which is always peaceful and harmless.

[Gary Childress]

Okay.

But you still did write that the people from "russia" BOMBING and KILLING the people in "ukraine" is not the ideal state of affairs, and that you hoped the people from "russia" would pulled out of "ukraine" like the people from "america" did when they were BOMBING and KILLING the people in "afghanistan" AND "iraq", and that by doing so this would, at least, show that there is a human side to "vladimir putin".

So, did you ACTUALLY MEAN 'this', or was 'this' just ANOTHER 'figure of speech', which 'you' were just being somewhat 'sardonic' with also?

In case 'you' are YET AWARE 'sarcasm' is a LOT EASIER and SIMPLER to RECOGNIZE and NOTICE in verbal words, and maybe more so for the hearing able, than 'it' is in written words.



But I am NOT 'all worked up' AT ALL, and I OBVIOUSLY do NOT over analyze EVERY 'thing'. '

you' appear to be, literally, 'over analyzing' my words, and are OBVIOUSLY ACTUALLY making the Wrong ASSUMPTIONS here.

Does any of this matter, Age?

'you' were the one who brought this up, "gary childress".

LOOK, 'you' ALSO made a CLAIM. Either you can back up and support this CLAIM or you can NOT.

If you can NOT, then does it REALLY 'matter'?

Are you seriously that worried about what I think?

NO, I am NOT 'worried' AT ALL about those 'thoughts'. BUT, EVERY word in this forum IS what "someone" is 'thinking'.

Let it go. Just live and let live.

The WHOLE POINT of a 'philosophy forum', to some, is to EXPRESS 'one's' 'thoughts', AND either be ABLE to back up and support those 'thoughts' or be ABLE to be ABLE to be QUESTIONED and/or CHALLENGED about those 'thoughts'. So, I suggest that if you are NOT ABLE to do ANY of these, then this is NOT the 'place' for 'you', correct?

ALSO, TALK ABOUT a PRIME EXAMPLE of 'TRYING TO' RUN AWAY and DEFLECT from the CLAIM one made, but is Truly INCAPABLE of backing up and supporting 'that' CLAIM.

Now, IF your CLAIM was just ANOTHER so-called 'figure of speech' and you were being so-called 'sardonic' here AS WELL, then just SAY SO.

What have you got to lose by just being Honest?

Trying to endlessly "clarify" things on the internet is about as useless as spending all your money on chia pets.

I have NOTICED. 'you', posters here, REALLY do seem to STRUGGLE just to CLARIFY what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that 'you' REALLY MEAN here.

For example, someone has SAID and CLAIMED that, personally, they; "hope Putin just pulls out of Ukraine as we did with Afghanistan and Iraq. It's not the ideal state of affairs but at least it would show a human side to him."

And, the one who SAID and CLAIMED 'this' is Truly UNABLE to just CLARIFY 'this'.

Don't worry about it, Age. I'm sure we're on the same side on this issue. Give it a rest. You're as draining as hell.

[reasonvemotion]

"Why would Ukraine want to join NATO anyway? It must have known it would provoke him."

So who is behind all this?

[Sculptor]

"Why would Ukraine want to join NATO anyway? It must have known it would provoke him."

So who is behind all this?

1) Answer 1 Putin is evil. He's like Hitler and wants to expand.
2)
There is no one thing or one person behind all this.
There are factors that can be traced way back to the end of WW2 and beyond.
If you want you can look at the psychology of Russia back to Napoleon's attempt at Moscow. The "west" has always been a big threat to Russia and that has been clear since Napoleon and Hitler.
The West has found a new way to advance Eastward and the is through economic imperialism rather than military.
Take the causality back to Glasnost and Perestroika. Gorbachez disbanded the Soviet Union and decided to adopt trade with the West. The question a Russian might ask is why did not NATO also disband? Even When Russia was negotiating nuclear disarmament especially those Ukrainian nukes - so why did NATO persist?
Take a look at EU and NATO expansionism since ww2
https://www.facebook.com/seven.kaboom.3 ... 4909171941
[NB if you can't watch it all skip to 5:40 and listen to Clare Daly}
I do no think it takes much imagination to see that the West remains a massive threat to Russia.
So who did this? Who allowed this to happen?
There is no plan, there is just one set of leaders after another motivated by the interests of their own parties - voters - backers.
Right now the war is looking GREAT for the US. The EU is buying more gas from the US and that is justifying more fracking. This is an environmental disaster waiting in the wings. But we can be sure that asking Cui Bono might allow us to figure out why the US is not that interested in peace talks.

[promethean75]

"So who is behind all this?"

Karl Marx and Bernie Sanders. What the world needs is a solid fifty years of capitalism - even the fake mixed economy type would work - to correct all the problems communism has allowed the world to have.

Clearly Putin and his oligarchs are goddamn Marxist revolutionaries, and it is communism that has allowed them to have and wield so much financial, political and military power in the first place.

If Russia was a capitalism instead of a goddamn communism, the opinions and values of the majority of the Russian working people that this attack on Ukraine is unjustified, would actually have political relevance and power. There'd be a genuinely democratic decision to invade or not. The whole goddamn country would decide this... not a handful of industrialists and gangsters.

[promethean75]

See Plato has got you all fucked up. That bit in the ship of state about the talent and character of the ruler type has led you to believe 'governing' is a specialized skill that only an aristocrat can have.

Bazooka Henry alludes to this old sentiment with his aversion to what he called 'mob rule'. He's thinking of society in terms of a platonic ship. But society isn't a ship. Sa'bad metaphor. Society is an open process of the exchange of things and ideas between people. This activity itself is a governing activity and becomes naturally democratic and more informed over time through a massive distribution of decision making power.

If there IS to be law and public policy - and no real anarchy could exist on the scale of a country, much less the world, so there will be - those laws and policies should be actively changing and accessible to as many people as possible in a direct form; less delegates, more immediate representation, the individual as legislator. And this can be done with today's digital communications.

Fortunately the best ideas, or at least the ideas representative of the majority of people, will emerge out of the open discourse between people about the subject. A kind of survival of the fittest of ideas happens, and the most rational, most effective, decisions are made. The whole autopoietic organism governs and corrects itself like a Wikipedia article.

But why would it matter 'who' made laws that you don't agree with? If you never wanted law Y to pass, but it did because a) twenty or so law makers passed it, or b) a majority of citizens voted for it, would it make any difference that a 'mob' rather than a few platonic philosopher kings, is/are who passed it?

Plato created a false dichotomy when he taught that ruling was an earned privilege, and that not everyone, not the entirety of the ruled, in other words, could do it. He basically just said that you are not smaht enough to rule yourself.

But this is not an existential problem when laws are still passed that you don't agree with.

If a man wants your bazooka, does it matter whether he's a genius or an imbecile?

[henry quirk]

Bazooka Henry alludes to this old sentiment with his aversion to what he called 'mob rule'. He's thinking of society in terms of a platonic ship.

Nope, commie. I'm thinkin' of The State (government) as the instrument of busy-bodies, buttinskies, and slavers...you know, folks like you.

Mob rule, and its oh-so refined sibling, democracy, is just an iteration of The State.

Society is just you and me and him and her not killin', stealin' from or slavin' one another.

If a man wants your bazooka, does it matter whether he's a genius or an imbecile?

Nope. A thief is a thief.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

We should all be hoping that the universe isn't conscious. Humans have fucked up so badly that earth would have to feel like an infuriating itch, or an incessant buzzing midge or mosquito that you just want to swat. We don't want to get swatted by the universe once and for all...

[promethean75]

It HAS been a while since the last extinction event. Just sayin.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

At least it would be a lot quicker than we are doing to ourselves.

[promethean75]

"you know, folks like you."

Lies. Nothing but lies. Nobody hates 'the man' more than me. If I have any credit at all, it's bad credit. I've got upwards of twenty grand in outstanding medical bills they're turning over to collection agencies. I've filed taxes once in over twenty years, and that was just to get the stimulus checks. I owe SunTrust a hunerd I ain't given em; the nerve to charge me thirty-fi dollars two days in a row for an accidental overdraw of fifteen dollars that the app didn't inform me of because it was glitched the fuck out. I'ont have no 401 k plan and I've never collected a cent of government aid with the exception of briefly owning a foodstamp card when I wuz trying to eat for free while living at the beach with homegirl.

I'm not a theoretical anarchist. I got a record longer than Al Capone's. I live in either complete disregard and ambivilance for the law... its uselessness to me, or in direct/indirect opposition to the law by virtue of its major negative interference in my life.

Im'da last nigga who'd want to drive slaves and tell uther niggas what to do.

It's the image of what you think Marxism is, in your head, that effects your perception of what you associate with it when you think you see something Marxist.

This condition effects millions of people daily, so don't feel abnormal.

It's really rather simple. If you have to have 'laws' in society - and you do, obviously - the question you should be axing is how much of an impression does the opinion of the typical citizen make on the decision to have or not have that law. I mean if yer shootin for a real democracy, obviously.

It's because political systems have been so traditionally hierarchical that people think those systems are the only possible systems that can work. Look at how little people actually 'vote' on anything. What, once or twice a year, max. And yet so many decisions about what one is to do individually and as part of a larger 'commoonity' (shout out to Ben Crump, an OG), are made regarding one, but without one's consent, or even knowledge thereof.

People are captives of their own State because they have been deprived of the privilege to exercise some authority over a wider range of the decision making that effects them.

The paradox is here; to eliminate government you have to extend it indefinitely into the lives of all individuals. You decentralize all power centers and distribute that power to the working, tax paying citizens who are called upon to organize and govern, yea... and this forces them to acclimatize to new responsibility and interests, and they pay attention... and they become smahter as a result. Survival of the fittest of the ideas.

[henry quirk]

Wow, all this bunkum...

Lies. Nothing but lies.

...blah, blah, blah...

Survival of the fittest of the ideas.

...just cuz I called you a (wannabe) slaver: I musta struck close to home.

for me.

[promethean75]

What's wrong with accomplishing revolutionary tasks in self-abnegation every once in a while, tho?

[attofishpi]

Putin's popularity prior to the annexing Crimea was at an all time low - afterwards - yep - Russian muppets loved him.

Guess he knows what makes him popular among the dumb ex slaves (slavs)...nothing like a war to get stupid people to get all nationalist and behind their great leader.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Putin's popularity prior to the annexing Crimea was at an all time low - afterwards - yep - Russian muppets loved him.

Guess he knows what makes him popular among the dumb ex slaves (slavs)...nothing like a war to get stupid people to get all nationalist and behind their great leader.

Proof that leaders don't make wars then?

Ex 'slavs'. That's clever.