Putin's War Crimes

[Age]

Personally, I hope Putin just pulls out of Ukraine as we did with Afghanistan and Iraq. It's not the ideal state of affairs but at least it would show a human side to him.

How is DESTROYING the lives of thousands or millions, and then just "pulling out" show a so-called "human side", EXACTLY?

Because he could always continue to kill more.

1. So, it does NOT matter how MANY human beings one KILLS, as SOON as that one STOPS KILLING ANY MORE, then that one, supposedly shows their so-called "human side", correct?

2. What "side" is a 'human being' showing (and revealing) when they are KILLING human beings, if that "side" is NOT a so-called "human side"? After all it is ONLY a 'human being' who would DEVISE and CREATE 'weapons' in order to just KILL "other" 'human beings'. So, it could be very easily and very simply argued that it is in fact the "human side", which is the ONE that is DOING ALL of the DESTRUCTION and KILLING.

[Age]

I've always thought that 'war crimes' is a ridiculous expression

Not really, where there is an unprovoked deliberate act that causes physical or psychological harm to men women and children, including damage to or loss of someone else's property they've propbably spent years and years, and shed pints of blood sweat and tears building, not to mention the money spent on building their cities, just to see all that reduced to dust and rubble at the hands of their neighbor, is actually a crime. There are lots of different types of crimes. A crime is an act of war.

A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by the combatants, such as intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property.

If we are not going to behave in an evolved and civilised moral manner towards ourselves, then we are all guilty of being felonious,illegal,illegitimate,illicit,lawless,unlawful,wrongful criminals. We either live peacefully together, or we live in constant conflict... there is no middle way to behave..


.

I remember as a kid wondering why soldiers of the past lined up in fancy dress in a long rows as though it were a 'polite' means to battle.

There is NOTHING MORE Truer NOR Saner in LIfe than childhood 'logic' in their wonderment.

On just about every occasion when a child ponders over and questions what an adult is saying or doing, then this is a SURE SIGN that what the adult/s are doing or saying is probably ILLOGICAL and NONSENSE.

I know I was naive for lacking sufficient knowledge of the details of technology and tactical wisdom.

And then, VERY SADLY and UNFORTUNATELY, then children grow up to become adults "justifying" and/or "rationalizing" what is ACTUALLY Truly INSANE, ILLOGICAL, and NONSENSICAL. As just PROVED True, ONCE AGAIN.

But the point is, I thought of this as steretypically like the Monty Python skits that make fun of the British elite's way of expecting specific order to what is naturally chaotic.

...like how one would Duel formally from some insult by the petty pain one endures when stuck with a tissue. [Pronounce this with the 'ssss' sound not the 'shh' to get the prissy image.] For the Americans West, it would have been the 'High Noon' meet in the middle of town where you stand back-to-back, walk ten steps, turn and shoot. ....all to be 'fair'!

Did you mean 'struck' and not 'stuck' here?

And, all 'we' can REALLY do when watching and observing the Truly INSANE, ILLOGICAL, and NONSENSICAL 'things' that 'you, adult human beings, do SAY and DO is just LAUGHED AT 'them'. 'you', adults, after all, do NOT REALLY LISTEN to 'us' NOR do 'you' provide us with Truly SANE, LOGICAL, and SENSIBLE responses and ANSWERS to 'our' Truly just INQUISITIVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, asked from Truly OPEN perspectives.

The winners of the wars get to appeal to claims of war crimes of the other.

There are NO so-called "winners" IN 'war'.

There is no such thing as an 'ettiquette' to appropriate battle. War is war. And anything goes. The only reason we feign signficance to ettiquette like this is because we are flawed to pretend our greed is somehow more righteous. Such accusations of war crimes are only themselves pychological counter-vengence in agression where we normally like to think of ourselves as rationally more compassionate than everybody else.

This all appears to be very true, well from my perspective anyway.

[Age]

Scott..the way I see it ...is that no one seems to have a problem with using fragile human beings to form Army's, Navy's and Air-and Marine Forces.

I have an 'issue' with this.

No one seems to have a problem with participating in the manufacturing of deadly nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

I have an 'issue' with this.

Parents seem perfectly happy allowing their sons and daughters to join the military armed forces as a chosen career.

In some countries people are actually 'idolized' or 'put on a pedestal' as some might say, for joining militarized ARMED FORCES.

In some countries some people are PROUD that they go to KILL "other" human beings, children and civilians included. In these countries there are also some people who are PROUD OF those who go and KILL "other" human beings DEAD, children and civilians included.

People seem happy to choose careers working in bomb making factories. Including the manufacturing of tanks, guns and all the many other war machines that are needed for battle.
So is it a crime to prepare for war. No one seems to think so.

I DO. To me, it is a CRIME AGAINST children AND humanity.

If 'you', adult human beings, want to go and fight, or KILL, "each other", DEAD, then so be it. That is all FINE and GOOD, after all ALL of 'you', adults, "should" KNOW BETTER by now anyway. But, if 'you' CHOOSE to fight and KILL "each other", then just do it 'out of ear shot', as some might say, and AWAY from CHILDREN.

So then what happens when the preparation for war that no one seems to have a problem with, then becomes an actual reality?

If war prepping is not a crime as long as the prepping stays latent, what about when the war prepping becomes kinetic.

VERY GOOD POINT 'you' make here "dontaskme". Except that there are SOME who do have an 'issue' with this.

Crimes are going to be an unavoidable and an inevitable consequence of any flare-up..

If the whole PURPOSE OF 'war' is to KILL, HARM, and/or DESTROY, then what so-called "crimes" could actually be made, and from WHOSE perspective would those so-called 'crimes' be from?

There is no such thing as a civilian free war zone when attacking some perceived enemy country. Civilians are inevitably going to get caught up in the cross fire, the collateral damage would be unavoidable.

Is the war a crime when the war is an act of self-defense against a threat to some perceived insecurity...probably no.

From some, like "henry quirk's", point of view, one is FREELY ABLE to KILL absolutely ANY one, (man, woman, OR child) if they, as "henry quirk" puts it, "just touches MY toothpick".

To "henry quirk" this is not just PERMISSIBLE but is ACCEPTABLE and even EXPECTED at ANY time, let alone in WAR time. So, there would be NO 'crime' AT ALL, to some people, like "henry quirk".

Is the war a crime when it is a deliberate unprovoked attack absent of no threat to some perceived insecurity..probably yes.
.

NOT to some people, like "henry quirk". This is because they ONLY 'need' to have a PERCEIVED ''threat" for them to "justify", to themselves ONLY, that it is PERFECTLY PERMISSIBLE to SHOOT DEAD 'human beings who are just PERCEIVED to be a "threat".

So, in the current situation that is unfolding, in the days when this is being written, the one known as "vladimir putin" PERCEIVES a "threat". So, acts 'accordingly' to its BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS, just like "henry quirk" would do ALSO.

[Age]

From what I've read, Russia was planning to attack Ukraine anyway, and the NATO thing is just a red herring. Plus, the Ukrainian president is deeply delusional if he thinks NATO membership is going to be of any benefit to the Ukrainian population. I mean, everyone knows that the greater the number of countries that get involved in a conflict the better it is for everyone...(and for those on here who can't recognise sarcasm, that was sarcasm)

Thank you.

It is good to see that some people can recognize that NOT EVERY one can recognize what WAS ACTUALLY MEANT, in what IS ACTUALLY SAID.

It would seem that Putin's deep and obvious hatred for the Ukrainian president is rooted in Putin's personal dislike of Jewish people. Nothing new for Russian leadership. Of course, it's not helped by the fact that the Ukrainian president is young, handsome and healthy, and won by a landslide. So, WW111 could come about because of one man's petty male jealousy. Putin has always been a very vain man. Why do people still insist that wars are 'complicated', and have long, boring discussions about the reasons for them? Wars always come down to human fuckwitism.

And ONLY to adult ones, that is; if we want to get down deeper towards thee VERY Truth.

As for 'War Crimes', British air force 'heroes' in WW11 deliberately targeted German schools and children going to school. Not a 'war crime' because they were 'goodies'. Russian soldiers have always been known for their 'rape sprees', and Ukrainian women (and probably children too) haven't been spared that either. Julian Assange is still rotting in prison for exposing British and American atrocities in the ME.
Fuck humans are vile.

If 'you' SEE 'children' as being 'vile', then so be it. But some of 'Us' do NOT AT ALL. In fact 'we' ALSO do NOT SEE adult human being "themselves" as 'vile'. But what 'we' do CLEARLY SEE is that a LOT of what adult human beings, do is VERY, VERY 'vile'.

[Age]

"Russian soldiers have always been known for their 'rape sprees'"

For these are the spoils of war, madam, and what is best in life.

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of just how QUICKLY, SIMPLY, and EASILY these adult human beings, back in the days when this was being written, COULD and WOULD "justify", "minimize", and/or "rationalize", to "themselves" ONLY, the Wrong and VILE 'things' that they each would DO.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

From what I've read, Russia was planning to attack Ukraine anyway, and the NATO thing is just a red herring. Plus, the Ukrainian president is deeply delusional if he thinks NATO membership is going to be of any benefit to the Ukrainian population. I mean, everyone knows that the greater the number of countries that get involved in a conflict the better it is for everyone...(and for those on here who can't recognise sarcasm, that was sarcasm)

Thank you.

It is good to see that some people can recognize that NOT EVERY one can recognize what WAS ACTUALLY MEANT, in what IS ACTUALLY SAID.

It would seem that Putin's deep and obvious hatred for the Ukrainian president is rooted in Putin's personal dislike of Jewish people. Nothing new for Russian leadership. Of course, it's not helped by the fact that the Ukrainian president is young, handsome and healthy, and won by a landslide. So, WW111 could come about because of one man's petty male jealousy. Putin has always been a very vain man. Why do people still insist that wars are 'complicated', and have long, boring discussions about the reasons for them? Wars always come down to human fuckwitism.

And ONLY to adult ones, that is; if we want to get down deeper towards thee VERY Truth.

As for 'War Crimes', British air force 'heroes' in WW11 deliberately targeted German schools and children going to school. Not a 'war crime' because they were 'goodies'. Russian soldiers have always been known for their 'rape sprees', and Ukrainian women (and probably children too) haven't been spared that either. Julian Assange is still rotting in prison for exposing British and American atrocities in the ME.
Fuck humans are vile.

If 'you' SEE 'children' as being 'vile', then so be it. But some of 'Us' do NOT AT ALL. In fact 'we' ALSO do NOT SEE adult human being "themselves" as 'vile'. But what 'we' do CLEARLY SEE is that a LOT of what adult human beings, do is VERY, VERY 'vile'.

Humans when they get into a mob and switch off their brain are always vile. Why are British and American soldiers automatically called 'heroes' these days, yet in the hippy sixties and early seventies they were vilified? It's nothing more than 'group think', morons going with whatever fashionable fad happens to be 'in' at any given time, without giving it any actual thought. I doubt if any of those hippies gave a flying fuck about Vietnamese villagers--they were more worried about being sent there themselves, or having someone close to them sent. Plus, there was some terrific music around at the time, along with the psychedelics...
Those same 'hippies' are now calling their military thugs 'heroes' and polishing their gun collections

[Age]

From what I've read, Russia was planning to attack Ukraine anyway, and the NATO thing is just a red herring. Plus, the Ukrainian president is deeply delusional if he thinks NATO membership is going to be of any benefit to the Ukrainian population. I mean, everyone knows that the greater the number of countries that get involved in a conflict the better it is for everyone...(and for those on here who can't recognise sarcasm, that was sarcasm)

Thank you.

It is good to see that some people can recognize that NOT EVERY one can recognize what WAS ACTUALLY MEANT, in what IS ACTUALLY SAID.

It would seem that Putin's deep and obvious hatred for the Ukrainian president is rooted in Putin's personal dislike of Jewish people. Nothing new for Russian leadership. Of course, it's not helped by the fact that the Ukrainian president is young, handsome and healthy, and won by a landslide. So, WW111 could come about because of one man's petty male jealousy. Putin has always been a very vain man. Why do people still insist that wars are 'complicated', and have long, boring discussions about the reasons for them? Wars always come down to human fuckwitism.

And ONLY to adult ones, that is; if we want to get down deeper towards thee VERY Truth.

As for 'War Crimes', British air force 'heroes' in WW11 deliberately targeted German schools and children going to school. Not a 'war crime' because they were 'goodies'. Russian soldiers have always been known for their 'rape sprees', and Ukrainian women (and probably children too) haven't been spared that either. Julian Assange is still rotting in prison for exposing British and American atrocities in the ME.
Fuck humans are vile.

If 'you' SEE 'children' as being 'vile', then so be it. But some of 'Us' do NOT AT ALL. In fact 'we' ALSO do NOT SEE adult human being "themselves" as 'vile'. But what 'we' do CLEARLY SEE is that a LOT of what adult human beings, do is VERY, VERY 'vile'.

Humans when they get into a mob and switch off their brain are always vile.

If 'you' SEE 'children' as being 'vile', then so be it. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that when ADULT human beings get into mobs, and do NOT 'think' properly and correctly, then what they SAY and DO can be VERY 'vile'. But new born infants and young children, especially, are NOT 'vile' AT ALL, well to me anyway.

Why are British and American soldiers automatically called 'heroes' these days, yet in the hippy sixties and early seventies they were vilified?

It makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me to make so-called "heroes" out of those who KILL "others". I also do NOT see ANY SENSE in 'glorifying' 'war' and so-called "heroes" in days of remembrance.

It's nothing more than 'group think', morons going with whatever fashionable fad happens to be 'in' at any given time, without giving it any actual thought.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY with you.

Were 'you' thinking otherwise here?

I doubt if any of those hippies gave a flying fuck about Vietnamese villagers--they were more worried about being sent there themselves, or having someone close to them sent.

Maybe so, maybe not. Or, just maybe they did NOT want to 'follow' just ANOTHER 'fad' and FIGHT and KILL those HUMAN BEINGS because they DID CARE about those HUMAN BEINGS, or actually did give a "flying fuck", as you would say, about those "villagers"?

Plus, there was some terrific music around at the time, along with the psychedelics...
Those same 'hippies' are now calling their military thugs 'heroes' and polishing their gun collections

The IRONY, INCONSISTENCIES, CONTRADICTIONS, and HYPOCRISY among ADULT human beings is VERY STARTLING, to WATCH and OBSERVE, when one REALLY 'thinks' about 'things', as you are saying here.

[Gary Childress]

How is DESTROYING the lives of thousands or millions, and then just "pulling out" show a so-called "human side", EXACTLY?

Because he could always continue to kill more.

1. So, it does NOT matter how MANY human beings one KILLS, as SOON as that one STOPS KILLING ANY MORE, then that one, supposedly shows their so-called "human side", correct?

2. What "side" is a 'human being' showing (and revealing) when they are KILLING human beings, if that "side" is NOT a so-called "human side"? After all it is ONLY a 'human being' who would DEVISE and CREATE 'weapons' in order to just KILL "other" 'human beings'. So, it could be very easily and very simply argued that it is in fact the "human side", which is the ONE that is DOING ALL of the DESTRUCTION and KILLING.

It's just a figure of speech and I was being somewhat sardonic. You overanalyze everything. No need to get all worked up over it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Thank you.

It is good to see that some people can recognize that NOT EVERY one can recognize what WAS ACTUALLY MEANT, in what IS ACTUALLY SAID.


And ONLY to adult ones, that is; if we want to get down deeper towards thee VERY Truth.




If 'you' SEE 'children' as being 'vile', then so be it. But some of 'Us' do NOT AT ALL. In fact 'we' ALSO do NOT SEE adult human being "themselves" as 'vile'. But what 'we' do CLEARLY SEE is that a LOT of what adult human beings, do is VERY, VERY 'vile'.

Humans when they get into a mob and switch off their brain are always vile.

If 'you' SEE 'children' as being 'vile', then so be it. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that when ADULT human beings get into mobs, and do NOT 'think' properly and correctly, then what they SAY and DO can be VERY 'vile'. But new born infants and young children, especially, are NOT 'vile' AT ALL, well to me anyway.

Why are British and American soldiers automatically called 'heroes' these days, yet in the hippy sixties and early seventies they were vilified?

It makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me to make so-called "heroes" out of those who KILL "others". I also do NOT see ANY SENSE in 'glorifying' 'war' and so-called "heroes" in days of remembrance.

It's nothing more than 'group think', morons going with whatever fashionable fad happens to be 'in' at any given time, without giving it any actual thought.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY with you.

Were 'you' thinking otherwise here?

I doubt if any of those hippies gave a flying fuck about Vietnamese villagers--they were more worried about being sent there themselves, or having someone close to them sent.

Maybe so, maybe not. Or, just maybe they did NOT want to 'follow' just ANOTHER 'fad' and FIGHT and KILL those HUMAN BEINGS because they DID CARE about those HUMAN BEINGS, or actually did give a "flying fuck", as you would say, about those "villagers"?

Plus, there was some terrific music around at the time, along with the psychedelics...
Those same 'hippies' are now calling their military thugs 'heroes' and polishing their gun collections

The IRONY, INCONSISTENCIES, CONTRADICTIONS, and HYPOCRISY among ADULT human beings is VERY STARTLING, to WATCH and OBSERVE, when one REALLY 'thinks' about 'things', as you are saying here.

I didn't think it was necessary to mention children specifically. I think it's fairly obvious that they don't go around raping and killing people.

[Age]

Because he could always continue to kill more.

1. So, it does NOT matter how MANY human beings one KILLS, as SOON as that one STOPS KILLING ANY MORE, then that one, supposedly shows their so-called "human side", correct?

2. What "side" is a 'human being' showing (and revealing) when they are KILLING human beings, if that "side" is NOT a so-called "human side"? After all it is ONLY a 'human being' who would DEVISE and CREATE 'weapons' in order to just KILL "other" 'human beings'. So, it could be very easily and very simply argued that it is in fact the "human side", which is the ONE that is DOING ALL of the DESTRUCTION and KILLING.

It's just a figure of speech and I was being somewhat sardonic.

Okay.

But you still did write that the people from "russia" BOMBING and KILLING the people in "ukraine" is not the ideal state of affairs, and that you hoped the people from "russia" would pulled out of "ukraine" like the people from "america" did when they were BOMBING and KILLING the people in "afghanistan" AND "iraq", and that by doing so this would, at least, show that there is a human side to "vladimir putin".

So, did you ACTUALLY MEAN 'this', or was 'this' just ANOTHER 'figure of speech', which 'you' were just being somewhat 'sardonic' with also?

In case 'you' are YET AWARE 'sarcasm' is a LOT EASIER and SIMPLER to RECOGNIZE and NOTICE in verbal words, and maybe more so for the hearing able, than 'it' is in written words.

You overanalyze everything. No need to get all worked up over it.

But I am NOT 'all worked up' AT ALL, and I OBVIOUSLY do NOT over analyze EVERY 'thing'. '

you' appear to be, literally, 'over analyzing' my words, and are OBVIOUSLY ACTUALLY making the Wrong ASSUMPTIONS here.

[Gary Childress]

1. So, it does NOT matter how MANY human beings one KILLS, as SOON as that one STOPS KILLING ANY MORE, then that one, supposedly shows their so-called "human side", correct?

2. What "side" is a 'human being' showing (and revealing) when they are KILLING human beings, if that "side" is NOT a so-called "human side"? After all it is ONLY a 'human being' who would DEVISE and CREATE 'weapons' in order to just KILL "other" 'human beings'. So, it could be very easily and very simply argued that it is in fact the "human side", which is the ONE that is DOING ALL of the DESTRUCTION and KILLING.

It's just a figure of speech and I was being somewhat sardonic.

Okay.

But you still did write that the people from "russia" BOMBING and KILLING the people in "ukraine" is not the ideal state of affairs, and that you hoped the people from "russia" would pulled out of "ukraine" like the people from "america" did when they were BOMBING and KILLING the people in "afghanistan" AND "iraq", and that by doing so this would, at least, show that there is a human side to "vladimir putin".

So, did you ACTUALLY MEAN 'this', or was 'this' just ANOTHER 'figure of speech', which 'you' were just being somewhat 'sardonic' with also?

In case 'you' are YET AWARE 'sarcasm' is a LOT EASIER and SIMPLER to RECOGNIZE and NOTICE in verbal words, and maybe more so for the hearing able, than 'it' is in written words.

You overanalyze everything. No need to get all worked up over it.

But I am NOT 'all worked up' AT ALL, and I OBVIOUSLY do NOT over analyze EVERY 'thing'. '

you' appear to be, literally, 'over analyzing' my words, and are OBVIOUSLY ACTUALLY making the Wrong ASSUMPTIONS here.

Does any of this matter, Age? Are you seriously that worried about what I think? Let it go. Just live and let live. Trying to endlessly "clarify" things on the internet is about as useless as spending all your money on chia pets.

[Gary Childress]

Below are images of what life means to a dictator with a big ego and obviously a very very small penis..

Mariupol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol

Apparently, that's how you "de-nazify" a place, by killing everyone and everything in it. Hitler would be inspired.

[Age]

Humans when they get into a mob and switch off their brain are always vile.

If 'you' SEE 'children' as being 'vile', then so be it. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that when ADULT human beings get into mobs, and do NOT 'think' properly and correctly, then what they SAY and DO can be VERY 'vile'. But new born infants and young children, especially, are NOT 'vile' AT ALL, well to me anyway.

Why are British and American soldiers automatically called 'heroes' these days, yet in the hippy sixties and early seventies they were vilified?

It makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me to make so-called "heroes" out of those who KILL "others". I also do NOT see ANY SENSE in 'glorifying' 'war' and so-called "heroes" in days of remembrance.

It's nothing more than 'group think', morons going with whatever fashionable fad happens to be 'in' at any given time, without giving it any actual thought.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY with you.

Were 'you' thinking otherwise here?

I doubt if any of those hippies gave a flying fuck about Vietnamese villagers--they were more worried about being sent there themselves, or having someone close to them sent.

Maybe so, maybe not. Or, just maybe they did NOT want to 'follow' just ANOTHER 'fad' and FIGHT and KILL those HUMAN BEINGS because they DID CARE about those HUMAN BEINGS, or actually did give a "flying fuck", as you would say, about those "villagers"?

Plus, there was some terrific music around at the time, along with the psychedelics...
Those same 'hippies' are now calling their military thugs 'heroes' and polishing their gun collections

The IRONY, INCONSISTENCIES, CONTRADICTIONS, and HYPOCRISY among ADULT human beings is VERY STARTLING, to WATCH and OBSERVE, when one REALLY 'thinks' about 'things', as you are saying here.

I didn't think it was necessary to mention children specifically. I think it's fairly obvious that they don't go around raping and killing people.

It is just that even after I POINTED OUT that ONLY adults do what you say is 'vile', 'you' still went and said that it is 'humans', when they do specific 'things', who are always 'vile'.

The VERY REASON WHY 'I' write; 'you', adult human beings, is to just SEPARATE the ones who ACTUALLY do DO Wrong and who are MEANT TO BE 'responsible', from those who are NOT.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Whatever, psychic vampire...

[Age]

It's just a figure of speech and I was being somewhat sardonic.

Okay.

But you still did write that the people from "russia" BOMBING and KILLING the people in "ukraine" is not the ideal state of affairs, and that you hoped the people from "russia" would pulled out of "ukraine" like the people from "america" did when they were BOMBING and KILLING the people in "afghanistan" AND "iraq", and that by doing so this would, at least, show that there is a human side to "vladimir putin".

So, did you ACTUALLY MEAN 'this', or was 'this' just ANOTHER 'figure of speech', which 'you' were just being somewhat 'sardonic' with also?

In case 'you' are YET AWARE 'sarcasm' is a LOT EASIER and SIMPLER to RECOGNIZE and NOTICE in verbal words, and maybe more so for the hearing able, than 'it' is in written words.

You overanalyze everything. No need to get all worked up over it.

But I am NOT 'all worked up' AT ALL, and I OBVIOUSLY do NOT over analyze EVERY 'thing'. '

you' appear to be, literally, 'over analyzing' my words, and are OBVIOUSLY ACTUALLY making the Wrong ASSUMPTIONS here.

Does any of this matter, Age?

'you' were the one who brought this up, "gary childress".

LOOK, 'you' ALSO made a CLAIM. Either you can back up and support this CLAIM or you can NOT.

If you can NOT, then does it REALLY 'matter'?

Are you seriously that worried about what I think?

NO, I am NOT 'worried' AT ALL about those 'thoughts'. BUT, EVERY word in this forum IS what "someone" is 'thinking'.

Let it go. Just live and let live.

The WHOLE POINT of a 'philosophy forum', to some, is to EXPRESS 'one's' 'thoughts', AND either be ABLE to back up and support those 'thoughts' or be ABLE to be ABLE to be QUESTIONED and/or CHALLENGED about those 'thoughts'. So, I suggest that if you are NOT ABLE to do ANY of these, then this is NOT the 'place' for 'you', correct?

ALSO, TALK ABOUT a PRIME EXAMPLE of 'TRYING TO' RUN AWAY and DEFLECT from the CLAIM one made, but is Truly INCAPABLE of backing up and supporting 'that' CLAIM.

Now, IF your CLAIM was just ANOTHER so-called 'figure of speech' and you were being so-called 'sardonic' here AS WELL, then just SAY SO.

What have you got to lose by just being Honest?

Trying to endlessly "clarify" things on the internet is about as useless as spending all your money on chia pets.

I have NOTICED. 'you', posters here, REALLY do seem to STRUGGLE just to CLARIFY what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that 'you' REALLY MEAN here.

For example, someone has SAID and CLAIMED that, personally, they; "hope Putin just pulls out of Ukraine as we did with Afghanistan and Iraq. It's not the ideal state of affairs but at least it would show a human side to him."

And, the one who SAID and CLAIMED 'this' is Truly UNABLE to just CLARIFY 'this'.