The Clue to Infinity is I do not know.

[Age]

Where did the universe come from?

The Universe did NOT come "from" ANYWHERE.

Answering a question assumes the questioner exists.

Writing 'the questioner' implies that an ASSUMED 'questioner' exists.

But, so what?

Which brings me back to the main point of this thread...where does the questioner come from?

FROM the EXACT SAME PLACE ALL of 'you' EXIST. That is in 'thought'.

A 'question' is just ANOTHER 'thought'. And, ALL human language 'thoughts' begin within the human body, and either remain there or are expressed verbally, written, or signed.

The word "questioner" is just ANOTHER word or label, which gets, wrongly I will add, placed on, or denoted, to 'you', human beings.

is the one question to all our answers,

So, now there are TWO so-called "questions to ALL of 'your' answers".

because where there is a question there will be an answer.

NOT if the question is NOT answered.

Answers can ONLY exit if one arises.

That a question arises, this does NOT mean that an answer will also arise.

The IRREFUTABLE PROOF of this can be CLEARLY SEEN throughout this forum. I have asked MANY questions, of which there was NO answer, PROVIDED.

As you have already proved by answering the question.

So, if I did NOT answer the question, then is the OPPOSITE true?

If no, then WHY NOT?

The universe comes from the idea there is a universe.

The 'idea' that there is a Universe comes from the thoughts and thinking within a human body.

BUT, the Universe, Itself, which was 'around' LONG BEFORE human bodies came into Existence, did NOT come FROM ANY 'thing' NOR ANY 'where'. As this One and ONLY Universe has been in Existence FOREVER and ALWAYS.

The universe is an imagined idea,

The 'idea' that the WHOLE Universe, Itself, is just an "imagined idea" is, itself, just an IMAGINED IDEA.

There is OBVIOUSLY a 'Thing', existing, which encompasses ALL 'things', which is commonly referred to, in the "english" language, as 'The Universe'.

it's a construction of consciousness that must exist infinitely forever else the question couldn't be answered.

The Universe exists infinitely because 'It' could NOT exist in ANY other way.

A concept imagined is possible only because consciousness is infinite and inseparable from it's known conceptual form. Being inseparable, a formed concept in and of itself knows nothing. Imagined things already exist within consciousness that can never be known because consciousness is already this immediate infinite knowing, one without a second. This is absolutely IRREFUTABLE. The 'who' Who questions it's existence Is the one question to all our answers and every answer will be consciousness one without a second..

So, the answer to the question, 'What are the colors of the leaves on 'that' tree?', to "dontaskme" is "consciousness, one without a second".

What does the IDEA that is conceptually known as the ''universe'' look like?

"IDEA's" do NOT 'look like' ANY 'thing'. This is because they are OBVIOUSLY INVISIBLE to human eyes. Just like the OTHER INVISIBLE 'things' are INVISIBLE to the human eye.

It looks like consciousness.
What does consciousness look like? it looks like a ''universe''.

Does 'it' REALLY?

When did the one known as "dontaskme" SEE 'consciousness'? And, what does a 'universe' look like, EXACTLY, to 'you'?

I do not know.

There is a LOT 'you' STILL do NOT YET KNOW "dontaskme".

Dontaskme is a concept known by consciousness the only knowing there is, and that which is conceptually known, knows nothing.[/quote]

The concept known as "dontaskme" APPEARS to 'know' some 'things', at times, but at other 'times' APPEARS to NOT 'know' as much.

But, if 'you' SAY and CLAIM 'you' 'know' NOTHING whatsoever at all, then 'who' could and would 'argue' AGAINST 'you'?

Also, concepts such as 'you', individually named and labeled human beings, ACTUALLY do NOT 'know'. This is because 'you' 'think' INSTEAD.

I is a known concept, that cannot be known because concepts know nothing.
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But there is ONLY One 'I', and this 'I', which is AWARE of EVERY 'thing' and ALL, is sometimes called Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, or Consciousness, Itself, by 'you', human beings.

Consciousness, or the ONLY 'KNOWING' there IS, KNOWS that 'It' is the ONLY 'I' as well. This is because 'I' AM thee ONLY One WHO KNOWS 'Who, and what' 'I' am, and thee ONLY One that KNOWS, IRREFUTABLY, thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.

The clue to infinity is that it is not a ''someone'' or a ''something'' who knows...There is ONLY knowing..As consciousness, you are the knowing that cannot be known, there is only infinite consciousness one without a second..

[Age]

A thing cannot both be and not be.

If a 'thing' can be imagined, the imagined thing must already exist.

So, I can IMAGINE a 'thing' known as a 'Peaceful world', and, according to the so-called "logic" of the concept known here as "dontaskme" here anyway, this 'Peaceful world' 'thing' MUST ALREADY exist.

Which, if a vote was taken, in the day and age when this is being written, a 'Peaceful world' did NOT already exist, AT ALL.

In this context, everything that is, was, and will be, exists absolutely infinitely for eternity.

So, the human body, which the concept known as "dontaskme" here exists within, again according to 'your' so-called "logic" WILL exist ABSOLUTELY for eternity, correct?

The knower of the thing and the thing itself are the same knowing, inseparably one without a second.

WHEN 'you' LEARN how to USE the 'right' words, THEN 'you' WILL SAY the 'right' 'things' ONLY. Until then 'you' WILL just keep SAYING what 'you' have been SAYING so far. Which is; SOME true, right, and/or correct 'things' and SOME false, wrong, and/or incorrect 'things'. Like above here.

To assume 'a thing' (cannot be / and be ) is the illusion of division where there isn't any.. as the contents of consciousness is consciousness and no thing else. No thing is consciousness and consciousness is every thing.

[Sculptor]

I think it's really not infinity, but the idea that the universe has no beginning or end that is the fact. I do not think it is possible for existence ever to not have been or ever to not be. It may all change, but that there, "is nothing," is a self-contradiction.

There are two things wrong with this.

1) You are expressing an opinion based on your inability to imagine. I think it very likely that there may be many things in the universe which you or I are not capable of imagining.
2) The empirical evidence as it stands says that there is, in fact, a beginning, and that an end is inferred from what is known.

There is no "proof" as such since we cannot do a double blind comparison with some other universe.

It's not my imagination, it's yours. It is purely logical.

One thing it is not is logical. It's neither empirical nor logical.
If you think it is logical show your working.

A thing cannot both be and not be.

Not relevant

There cannot both be existence and not be existence.

Same thing, still not relevant.

If there is existence, it is, and it is not possible that existence not be. If you imagine there could be a, "time," (or any other case) where there is no existence, logically, there could be no such time (or case), because there would be nothing, so there cannot be a time or any actual case where there is nothing. You can imagine nothing, but there cannot be nothing.

The point about the universe having a beginning is that time also begins too.

But, if you want to believe nothing is possible (with all the mysticism that opens the door to) it doesn't matter to me.

Nothing is nothing. Neither possible or not possible. It is a null state.

Not trying to convince you, only explaining why I do not believe there cannot be nothing. If nothing else, I don't have to bother myself with all the cosmological and creation theories of origins.

This is just you imposing a set of beliefs here.

[Dontaskme]

So, the answer to the question, 'What are the colors of the leaves on 'that' tree?', to "dontaskme" is "consciousness, one without a second".

Dontaskme is a label known to consciousness.

What does the colour of a leaf look like to knowing consciousness, the answer is, the colours look like consciousness. The label red or green leaf is known to consciousness. What is consciousness, it's a red or green leaf.

So yes, consciousness is the only knowing there is, it's one knowing without a second. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this to you Age. I do not know because I is known, and that which is known knows nothing.

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[Dontaskme]

WHEN 'you' LEARN how to USE the 'right' words, THEN 'you' WILL SAY the 'right' 'things' ONLY. Until then 'you' WILL just keep SAYING what 'you' have been SAYING so far. Which is; SOME true, right, and/or correct 'things' and SOME false, wrong, and/or incorrect 'things'. Like above here.

Yeah, I don't believe that either.

[Walker]

WHEN 'you' LEARN how to USE the 'right' words, THEN 'you' WILL SAY the 'right' 'things' ONLY. Until then 'you' WILL just keep SAYING what 'you' have been SAYING so far. Which is; SOME true, right, and/or correct 'things' and SOME false, wrong, and/or incorrect 'things'. Like above here.

Yeah, I don't believe that either.

Learn to play, wrong notes go away.
Words are notes. You're the instrument.
Ain't no wrong notes in that instrument.

[Dontaskme]

"IDEA's" do NOT 'look like' ANY 'thing'. This is because they are OBVIOUSLY INVISIBLE to human eyes. Just like the OTHER INVISIBLE 'things' are INVISIBLE to the human eye.

'Invisible things' are not known images, nor do 'invisible things' exist. Only an 'image seen' as a physical object can be said to exist. An 'idea' is inseparable from it's image, else an 'idea' can never be known to exist. An image is only known in it's conception as and through the known label that is placed upon what is never there prior to the label superimposed upon it.

This thread topic is about KNOWLEDGE...and what is knowledge but an image known, seen as a physical object in consciousness, not outside of consciousness. A 'tree' for example is an image seen inseparable from the seeing. It's an image of the imageless, known conceptually by consciousness itself all one without a second, there is no divide between the knower and the known there.

So implying that 'invisible things' exist... is absurd...but then most of what you say is absurd Age...if you want to be understood you need express yourself so that others can understand what you are saying to them, because most of the time your messages are just one big jumbled up mess that make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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[Dontaskme]

Learn to play, wrong notes go away.
Words are notes. You're the instrument.
Ain't no wrong notes in that instrument.

Learn to fuck off.

But then you can't do that, because fucktards like you just like to keep on coming, because they think they are worth it, and then expect others to just be obliged to go along with their fucktarded reasonings for playing, because they just happen to think playing is worth playing.

Sorry, I'm not playing your stupid reasons, be gone now.

[Walker]

because they think they are worth it ...

Actually, it's because we "fucktards" think you're worth it.

[RCSaunders]

There are two things wrong with this.

1) You are expressing an opinion based on your inability to imagine. I think it very likely that there may be many things in the universe which you or I are not capable of imagining.
2) The empirical evidence as it stands says that there is, in fact, a beginning, and that an end is inferred from what is known.

There is no "proof" as such since we cannot do a double blind comparison with some other universe.

It's not my imagination, it's yours. It is purely logical.

One thing it is not is logical. It's neither empirical nor logical.
If you think it is logical show your working.

A thing cannot both be and not be.

Not relevant

There cannot both be existence and not be existence.

Same thing, still not relevant.

If there is existence, it is, and it is not possible that existence not be. If you imagine there could be a, "time," (or any other case) where there is no existence, logically, there could be no such time (or case), because there would be nothing, so there cannot be a time or any actual case where there is nothing. You can imagine nothing, but there cannot be nothing.

The point about the universe having a beginning is that time also begins too.

But, if you want to believe nothing is possible (with all the mysticism that opens the door to) it doesn't matter to me.

Nothing is nothing. Neither possible or not possible. It is a null state.

Not trying to convince you, only explaining why I do not believe there cannot be nothing. If nothing else, I don't have to bother myself with all the cosmological and creation theories of origins.

This is just you imposing a set of beliefs here.

That's just silly. Of course it's what I believe. Why would I describe what I don't believe. You make it sound as though anything one is convinced is true is for that reason out of court. You are only saying what you believe aren't you. You aren't lying.

What I believe is based on the best evidence available to me and the best reason I am capable of. One or both may be limited (just as yours may be), but what I believe is not just because I like it or want it to be true, it's because I refuse to believe anything for which there is no direct evidence to examine (like origins) or results in a contradiction (like there being a beginning of that which does not exist, i.e. has no beginning).

[RCSaunders]

A thing cannot both be and not be.

If a 'thing' can be imagined, the imagined thing must already exist.

Medusa will be glad. (Off your meds again, eh?)

[Dontaskme]

because they think they are worth it ...

Actually, it's because we "fucktards" think you're worth it.

No, seriously no...hell no.

Just leave me out of this, please do not think for one minute that I am interested in any invite to your ''I'm worth it'' party.

[Dontaskme]

A thing cannot both be and not be.

If a 'thing' can be imagined, the imagined thing must already exist.

Medusa will be glad. (Off your meds again, eh?)

That's what all mental basket case idiots would say...lucky for me, I happened to be born with a sensible and intelligent head on my shoulders, able to recognise the illusion that is life and what it actually is, in the most natural way, not in the drug induced way that people like you believe in.

[Walker]

because they think they are worth it ...

Actually, it's because we "fucktards" think you're worth it.

No, seriously no...hell no.

Just leave me out of this, please do not think for one minute that I am interested in any invite to your ''I'm worth it'' party.

Worth is not for you to determine, which should be obvious by the fact that your control is an illusion.

Because in practical, logical terms, the entire history of the universe has arrived at this moment that requires you to read this, and it can’t be unread, although meaning will likely change as you change.

Funny thing about change.
Change is not at all gradual.
Change happens all at once, in an instant.
There may be a long buildup to the instant, but it happens in an instant.

How bold to think that the entire universe was created in such an instant.
Could the Big Bang have more than one metaphorical meaning?
Sure. It definitely has two.

[Dontaskme]

Actually, it's because we "fucktards" think you're worth it.

No, seriously no...hell no.

Just leave me out of this, please do not think for one minute that I am interested in any invite to your ''I'm worth it'' party.

Worth is not for you to determine, which should be obvious by the fact that your control is an illusion.

Because in practical, logical terms, the entire history of the universe has arrived at this moment that requires you to read this, and it can’t be unread, although meaning will likely change as you change.

Funny thing about change.
Change is not at all gradual.
Change happens all at once, in an instant.
There may be a long buildup to the instant, but it happens in an instant.

How bold to think that the entire universe was created in such an instant.
Could the Big Bang have more than one metaphorical meaning?
Sure. It definitely has two.

Please just crawl away and hide under some rock for the rest of eternity, and never show up ever again, I really hate you with every fibre of my being.