nihilism

[RCSaunders]

I'm asking you what you think and believe.

And I gave you some of the things in the Bible that ground my beliefs.

In point of fact, what I "think" doesn't matter any more than what you "think" does. What matters is whether or not what God says is true.

If you think there is some positive value, what might it be?

I think that perhaps you misunderstand what "justice" is.

That's why I'm asking you what it is. I have no idea what you (or what almost anyone else) means when they use the word. Please don't make assumptions about what you think I believe or think. I'm not making any argument at all. I only asking without prejudice or any preconcieved view.

But, as expected, you have again dishonestly evaded the questions. Make it in terms of, "justice," whatever you mean by it:

What is justice?

Do you think intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is ever a form of justice?

[Immanuel Can]

I'm asking you what you think and believe.

And I gave you some of the things in the Bible that ground my beliefs.

In point of fact, what I "think" doesn't matter any more than what you "think" does. What matters is whether or not what God says is true.

If you think there is some positive value, what might it be?

I think that perhaps you misunderstand what "justice" is.

That's why I'm asking you what it is.

I just told you. Are you asleep at the switch?

Like all moral properties, it's a property of the character of God. It means that He makes sure that a person receives exactly what they "sow." That's justice.

In other words, you get "just what you deserve." Justice.

[RCSaunders]

And I gave you some of the things in the Bible that ground my beliefs.

In point of fact, what I "think" doesn't matter any more than what you "think" does. What matters is whether or not what God says is true.


I think that perhaps you misunderstand what "justice" is.

That's why I'm asking you what it is.

I just told you. Are you asleep at the switch?

Like all moral properties, it's a property of the character of God. It means that He makes sure that a person receives exactly what they "sow." That's justice.

In other words, you get "just what you deserve." Justice.

That's how an "honest" Christian answers the question: Do you think intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is ever a form of justice?

That answer is pure evasive deceit. I'll come back to it.

[VVilliam]

The link goes to an example of a particular way I have of dealing with the rabid dogs you mentioned ... that is why I wrote "there are other ways in which to keep those dogs at bay..."

It doesn't matter what degree of severity an offense against one is - rabid dogs are rabid dogs...

Yeah, I'm not seein' anything in the linked post that'll keep the murderer, the slaver, the thief, or the rapist at bay.

The link is an example of how the rabid dogs are kept at bay, through self-awareness and available assistance - in this case - the assistance is conveyed through the Generation of Messages;

From the link:

William: If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human.

Generated Message: Coordinate
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
For The Best Results
[Mirror
Personal growth
Training
The path to enlightenment
Investigative Realisation
Trust the Universe...

[Immanuel Can]

That's why I'm asking you what it is.

I just told you. Are you asleep at the switch?

Like all moral properties, it's a property of the character of God. It means that He makes sure that a person receives exactly what they "sow." That's justice.

In other words, you get "just what you deserve." Justice.

That's how an "honest" Christian answers the question: Do you think intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is ever a form of justice?

That answer is pure evasive deceit. I'll come back to it.

Hogwash. The answer is this: "justice" is what God thinks it is, not what you think it is. If you don't like that answer, then you don't like the truth...and too bad for you.

[henry quirk]

The link is an example of how the rabid dogs are kept at bay, through self-awareness and available assistance - in this case - the assistance is conveyed through the Generation of Messages;

From the link:

William: If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human.

Generated Message: Coordinate
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
For The Best Results
[Mirror
Personal growth
Training
The path to enlightenment
Investigative Realisation
Trust the Universe...

Explain, if you would, how the Generation of Messages will keep the murderer, the slaver, the thief, or the rapist at bay.

[Eodnhoj7]

If nihilism is the proper way of being, in such a manner that "anything goes", then the opposite of nihilism, "not anything goes", results in a contradiction where there is a right and wrong way to act, "anything goes" vs. "not anything goes" respectively, therefore morality exists in contradiction to nihilism.

[RCSaunders]

I just told you. Are you asleep at the switch?

Like all moral properties, it's a property of the character of God. It means that He makes sure that a person receives exactly what they "sow." That's justice.

In other words, you get "just what you deserve." Justice.

That's how an "honest" Christian answers the question: Do you think intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is ever a form of justice?

That answer is pure evasive deceit. I'll come back to it.

Hogwash. The answer is this: "justice" is what God thinks it is, not what you think it is. If you don't like that answer, then you don't like the truth...and too bad for you.

What answer? Are you saying the answer to the question, "is intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, ever a form of justice?" is, "whatever God thinks?" But you have no idea what God thinks else you would know whether or not He thinks, "intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is ever a form of justice?"

How can you live with that kind of intentional deceit? Who are you trying to deceive and to what end? Why are you so afraid to answer the question explicitly if you really believe what you say?

If you do believe the intentional infliction of pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is ever a form of justice, the honest straight-forward upright answer is, "yes," and anything else is some kind of deceitful evasion. (And of course, if you don't believe it, the honest answer is, "no."

That's the truth and it's you who hates it.

[VVilliam]

The link is an example of how the rabid dogs are kept at bay, through self-awareness and available assistance - in this case - the assistance is conveyed through the Generation of Messages;

From the link:

William: If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human.

Generated Message: Coordinate
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
For The Best Results
[Mirror
Personal growth
Training
The path to enlightenment
Investigative Realisation
Trust the Universe...

Explain, if you would, how the Generation of Messages will keep the murderer, the slaver, the thief, or the rapist at bay.

Nay.
It is about keeping the temptation of vengeance at bay - for those who argue vengeance is a good thing to desire - before they let that particular rabid dog out...

[Immanuel Can]

...you have no idea what God thinks ...

Well, we'll see.

If God has articulated His purposes in Scripture, then we can indeed know what God thinks.

But you'd have to read it to know. And It's pretty evident the one who doesn't know...is you.

[henry quirk]

It is about keeping the temptation of vengeance at bay - for those who argue vengeance is a good thing to desire - before they let that particular rabid dog out...

Well, I'm not seein' anything there that would stay me. And: I never said vengeance (the desire for) was a good thing.

[RCSaunders]

...you have no idea what God thinks ...

Well, we'll see.

If God has articulated His purposes in Scripture, then we can indeed know what God thinks.

But you'd have to read it to know. And It's pretty evident the one who doesn't know...is you.

You either have a very bad memory or know how many times I've read and studied the Bible in several translations as well as Hebrew and Greek. You really don't want to go there if you wish to continue your deceitful evasion. I know what is written in the Bible. If you do, why are you so reluctant to say what you believe it says?

We all know why, IC. Pontius Pilate was more honest then you.

[Immanuel Can]

I know what is written in the Bible. If you do, why are you so reluctant to say what you believe it says?

I've told you I believe what it says. I've even supplied the direct quotations.

Are you high?

Oh, wait...wait...I see what it is.

You're FISHING. There's something you're trying to get me to say, because you think it achieves something for your argument. The problem is that I have no idea what you're fishing for, so all I can give you is that answers that make sense. But you don't like that, because it doesn't offer a chance for your fishing expedition to go forward in some way you've conceived in your own head...

Sorry, pal...I can't read your mind. All I can tell you is that God is the Judge, justice is with Him, and what He says about that, that's justice. Beyond that, I have no idea what you're fishing for.

Maybe you should just say. I might be able to help you, if I had the first clue what you were looking for.

[RCSaunders]

I know what is written in the Bible. If you do, why are you so reluctant to say what you believe it says?

I've told you I believe what it says. I've even supplied the direct quotations.

Are you high?

Oh, wait...wait...I see what it is.

You're FISHING. There's something you're trying to get me to say, ...

I'm not fishing. I've told you from the beginning exactly what I want you to say.

I want you to say, "I think intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is a form of justice?" if you do, or "I do not think intentionally inflicting pain, suffering, or loss, as punishment or retribution, is ever a form of justice?" if you don't.

There is no hidden purpose or agenda. Your suspicion is only a reflection of your own disingenuous thinking which assumes it in others. I know it will be a foreign concept to you, but some of us only ever say what we truly mean, and mean exactly what we say.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm not fishing. I've told you from the beginning exactly what I want you to say.

And you're miffed that I won't parrot the words you're trying to get me to say...whatever they are, since I have no idea.

Why don't you just let me know what you want me to say? And maybe I'll say the words you want me to say...or maybe not, depending on whether or not they make any sense, of course.