Does Romantic Love Exist?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Have you read A Beautiful Mind? Overcoming schizofrenia is not impossible and can definitely include both success and romantic love. [More here and in his own words here.]

[There is a movie made from the book, which iI think is a bit of a distortion, but you might find it interesting and something to think about.]

Don't ever give up! There are no guarantees in life. One can never know what they may achieve until they try. The only thing that is certain is you will never know what you might have achieved if you give up. No one achieves everything they could possibly aspire too, but success is achieving and being all one really can.

Some 'not so nice' aspects of his life were left out of the book and film, but he did learn to overcome it as far as it's possible to do so ''...he learned how to consciously discard his paranoid delusions.'' The people who seem to do the best with schizophrenia are the highly intelligent, self-aware ones and they don't do it with drugs. I'm pretty sure that mind altering drugs will make anything to do with the brain worse in the long run.

How refreshing. Someone who knows what they are talking about. I totally agree about the mind altering drugs, especially those that are being forced in kids.

Indeed, it's a criminal disgrace; turning children into drug addicts before the age of five, and all because their stupid, incompetent, 'munchhausen' mothers can't cope with them. And yes, it's generally driven by the mother, and they always seem to be the same type: low-brow, obese, white, whiny, attention-seeking.... Stereotypes are such fun but we can't help what we see can we?

[promethean75]

"So true. Mark Zuckerberg looks and sounds barely human these days."

Here's what's happening. Each ridiculously wealthy capitalist has to contend with two conflicting suspicions and feelings of uneasiness that openly complicate his public persona. On one hand, he senses the envy and jealousy of others like him... on the other hand, he is secretly aware of his own parasitism; he honestly feels that he doesn't deserve what he has, and knows that his wealth is produced solely by those he exploits. Managing these two conflicting intuitions are what creates the awkwardness of these types of people. It's a kind of combination of excessive pride and shame. Say Zuckerberg reads Marx one day. He knows Marx is absolutely right, and he wants to be able to honor that knowledge and be a part of what is good... but to do so would compromise his own privilege and wealth, so he makes excuses to avoid such commitment and alleviate his guilt. At base, he's just an animal that doesn't want to work. No animal does. And the greatest intellectual lengths man, as the philosopher and political theorist, has ever gone to in the history of the world, were for the purposes of trying to justify not having to work.

The first question to ax yourself when studying a thinker is; how does he make his living and from where does he get his bread. When you know this, his philosophy will make perfect sense. His metaphysics, his epistemology, his ethics, are all in the service of justifying his own desire to avoid having to labor. It really is that simple.

"Donald Trump was quite pleasant and charming in his young days"

Ew gross.

[Sculptor]

Is there such a thing as romantic love? I see people on dating apps looking for partners and beautiful folk meeting and socializing at bars with each other. It all seems so alien and distant from where I'm at.

Never been in love?

[Sculptor]

Yes romatic love does exist, it exists as a feeling, but like all feelings, it's a fleeting temporal sensation.

Unfortunately, sensations have a mind of their own, there is nothing in reality that has any control over their appearance. No sensation can be bottled to keep forever, or held in the hand or have any place to be on a permanent basis.

Romantic love is something that can be enjoyed in the moment of it's visit, but it is just a visitor, it's like a butterfly, lovely to look at in the moment, but to hold a butterfly too tight will crush it, it must always be allowed to fly away.

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One must be worthy of romantic love to find it. There must be something of value in the individual that is worth loving and worth pursuing as one's highest value. Most of those who repudiate romantic love have simply despaired of finding it because they know they will never earn or deserve it.

How do you "earn" or "deserve" romantic love? By what means can I achieve it?

First you have to be confident in your own skin. Then you have to give yourself up to another person gladly.
There is plenty of romantic love. It can go on for a long time or a short time.
It is not to be confused with marriage or any other legal contract which can help destroy it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

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[vegetariantaxidermy]

"So true. Mark Zuckerberg looks and sounds barely human these days."

Here's what's happening. Each ridiculously wealthy capitalist has to contend with two conflicting suspicions and feelings of uneasiness that openly complicate his public persona. On one hand, he senses the envy and jealousy of others like him... on the other hand, he is secretly aware of his own parasitism; he honestly feels that he doesn't deserve what he has, and knows that his wealth is produced solely by those he exploits. Managing these two conflicting intuitions are what creates the awkwardness of these types of people. It's a kind of combination of excessive pride and shame. Say Zuckerberg reads Marx one day. He knows Marx is absolutely right, and he wants to be able to honor that knowledge and be a part of what is good... but to do so would compromise his own privilege and wealth, so he makes excuses to avoid such commitment and alleviate his guilt. At base, he's just an animal that doesn't want to work. No animal does. And the greatest intellectual lengths man, as the philosopher and political theorist, has ever gone to in the history of the world, were for the purposes of trying to justify not having to work.

The first question to ax yourself when studying a thinker is; how does he make his living and from where does he get his bread. When you know this, his philosophy will make perfect sense. His metaphysics, his epistemology, his ethics, are all in the service of justifying his own desire to avoid having to labor. It really is that simple.

"Donald Trump was quite pleasant and charming in his young days"

Ew gross.

'Ew gross'. What's that supposed to mean? How is it relevant to what I observed? If you just want to troll then you should find a troll site.

[promethean75]

"What's that supposed to mean?"

That's my thesis on Donald Trump. Why? Do you not find it well developed and thoroughly comprehensive?

"If you just want to troll then you should find a troll site."

Bro. The whole point of trolling is to amuse oneself in the company of real philostophers. Why would I want to troll trolls?

[RCSaunders]

It is not to be confused with marriage or any other legal contract which can help destroy it.

On that much, at least, we agree.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

"What's that supposed to mean?"

That's my thesis on Donald Trump. Why? Do you not find it well developed and thoroughly comprehensive?

"If you just want to troll then you should find a troll site."

Bro. The whole point of trolling is to amuse oneself in the company of real philostophers. Why would I want to troll trolls?

So, we've established what a 'good' person you are by your dislike of Trump. Feel better now? And that was hardly my point anyway.
You also don't appear to know what a troll is. What, btw, is a 'real philosopher'?

[promethean75]

Greggery Peccary explains what a 'philostopher' is at 16:07

[Dontaskme]

Is there such a thing as romantic love? I see people on dating apps looking for partners and beautiful folk meeting and socializing at bars with each other. It all seems so alien and distant from where I'm at.

You're alone in the world ...and everyone else is alone in their aloneness.

Everyone you love will leave you eventually, anyone you co-habit with will eventually leave you, either they will cheat on you for someone else, or they will die from some accident or disease...so if you are unlucky enough to live into your 90th years then your going to be alone again at some point...being alone is always the default state for us...that's why I personally choose to be alone, it's the way I handle the reality of life, acceptance is the key to endurance.

Most people cannot accept they are alone in the world, and is why they have children and form relationships with other people. They never seem to realise that the other people are alone in their own aloneness too.

I made babies because I was scared to be alone in the world, it was the most selfish thing to impose more aloneness on the world. We are scared of being alone, but once we accept it unconditionally, a realisation dawns that I am totally alone in the world forever eternally...so what the heck can I do about that but endure it.

The SELF is alone forever infinitely appearing as the many for eternity...that's what I came to understand about myself.

[Walker]

When two people truly love each other, they both mutually desire to possess the object of their love and to be possessed by their lover. For one to know they are loved as the most valuable thing in their lover's life is to know they are their true love's greatest treasure that will will be tended and cared for in every possible way. One loves another for their own sake, not the sake of the other.

That’s irrelevant to unconditional love.

One can have a special love, and love others unconditionally.

That's right.

It you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t have to be schooled on the facts of life.

[Walker]

Is there such a thing as romantic love? I see people on dating apps looking for partners and beautiful folk meeting and socializing at bars with each other. It all seems so alien and distant from where I'm at.

Yes, there is. For perspective, those who have what you don't have, will someday suffer in ways you won't, and because of that they deserve your great compassion. Those who have much will lose much, and suffer much because of attachment to whatever was lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxE8mQz9aZ0

[RCSaunders]

... unconditional love.

Is the kind of hideous perversion of love that enables one to love their daughter and the rapist that is raping her at the same time. It is supposedly a love one has for that which has nothing about it to love.

Real love has to be deserved. It would be better to be hated than loved unconditionally. To be loved unconditionally is to be told, "I love you in spite of the fact there nothing about you that deserves to be loved, because you are of no value whatsoever."

The world is drowning in this sickly sentimental slop.

[Walker]

... unconditional love.

Is the kind of hideous perversion of love that enables one to love their daughter and the rapist that is raping her at the same time. It is supposedly a love one has for that which has nothing about it to love.

Real love has to be deserved. It would be better to be hated than loved unconditionally. To be loved unconditionally is to be told, "I love you in spite of the fact there nothing about you that deserves to be loved, because you are of no value whatsoever."

The world is drowning in this sickly sentimental slop.

Yeah yeah, you’re getting repetitive, which only reveals the shallowness of your understanding.

You lay such nasty intent upon folks, without even realizing that’s your own projection.

Unconditional love does not manifest uniformly.
Expressions of love vary; they don't conform to Leftist notions of equity.

As much as Leftists would like it to be so, unconditional love does not mean equality in expressing love.

People are different, and expressions of love are different.

You can love your pet bird, and you can love your pet cat.
But, you won’t treat them the same way.

You can love everyone unconditionally but you won’t express that love the same way with everyone.

For example, if you treat all the unconditionally loved the same way you treat the wife you both unconditionally and romantically love, you could get in trouble ranging from a punch in the nose to jail time or worse, because you can’t go around laying your meathooks on just anyone you unconditionally love.

Like I keep telling you, appropriateness is the keyword.

For example, under these conditions, the expression of unconditional love is the gift of attention and time, showered upon another's interest, to be accepted or trashed according to the capacity of the receiver.

Learn it.
Live it.
... love it.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzh0TAon7Bc