What could make morality objective?

[Belinda]

Henry is an *honest **materialist

*I try.

**Nope. I believe God exists, that I'm a free will, that mind and brain are two separate things, that natural rights/morality is real, and that the world is real and independent of you and me.

Do you know which people influenced you to believe as you do?

[henry quirk]

Do you know which people influenced you to believe as you do?

I believe as I do cuz I followed what I thought were, still think of as, evidences.

I was an atheistic materialist for a long time, B, which, as I recollect, was a position sustainable only becuz I turned a blind eye to those evidences.

As for influences: Reid and Bastiat come to mind.

[Peter Holmes]

Henry is an *honest **materialist

*I try.

**Nope. I believe God exists, that I'm a free will, that mind and brain are two separate things, that natural rights/morality is real, and that the world is real and independent of you and me.

That's refreshingly clear. Thanks. You think there is evidence for the existence of a god, free will, a non-physical mind, and natural rights/morality.

Do you think that evidence is physical?

[henry quirk]

Do you think that evidence is physical?

Actually it was, is, the lack of physical/material evidence/explanation for certain aspects of man that led me to reason things out as I have (but you already know this...we've gone back & forth on this stuff a few times..it always ends with you dismissin' me and me dismissin' you).

[Belinda]

Do you know which people influenced you to believe as you do?

I believe as I do cuz I followed what I thought were, still think of as, evidences.

I was an atheistic materialist for a long time, B, which, as I recollect, was a position sustainable only becuz I turned a blind eye to those evidences.

As for influences: Reid and Bastiat come to mind.

I googled Bastiat. Should trade be so free that traders are allowed to cheat each other?
Should trade be so free that the staples of life are unavailable to starving producers?

The doctrine of laissez faire was the main reason so many Irish people died during the potato famine of the late 1840s
Evidence:

Laissez-faire, the reigning economic orthodoxy of the day, held that there should be as little government interference with the economy as possible. Under this doctrine, stopping the export of Irish grain was an unacceptable policy alternative, and it was therefore firmly rejected in London, though there were some British relief officials in Ireland who gave contrary advice.

The influence of the doctrine of laissez-faire may also be seen in two other decisions. The first was the decision to terminate the soup-kitchen scheme in September 1847 after only six months of operation. The idea of feeding directly a large proportion of the Irish population violated all of the Whigs' cherished notions of how government and society should function. The other decision was the refusal of the government to undertake any large scheme of assisted emigration. The Irish viceroy actually proposed in this fashion to sweep the western province of Connacht clean of as many as 400,000 pauper smallholders too poor to emigrate on their own. But the majority of Whig cabinet ministers saw little need to spend public money accelerating a process that was already going on 'privately' at a great rate.

[henry quirk]

I googled Bastiat.

Why not read him?

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[Peter Holmes]

Do you think that evidence is physical?

Actually it was, is, the lack of physical/material evidence/explanation for certain aspects of man that led me to reason things out as I have (but you already know this...we've gone back & forth on this stuff a few times..it always ends with you dismissin' me and me dismissin' you).

So you think there is no physical evidence for the existence of a god, free will, a non-physical mind and natural rights/morality. So I assume you think there is non-physical evidence for the existence of those things. If so, can you give an example of such non-physical evidence?

[henry quirk]

can you give an example of such non-physical evidence?

Been there, done that, Pete. Most recent example was Penfield's book which you dismissed without readin', based solely on two reviews of the book. I learned my lesson with that.

[Peter Holmes]

can you give an example of such non-physical evidence?

Been there, done that, Pete. Most recent example was Penfield's book which you dismissed without readin', based solely on two reviews of the book. I learned my lesson with that.

Okay, leave out the mind. How about non-physical evidence for the existence of a god, free will and natural rights/morality - non-physical evidence that convinces you they exist? We certainly talk about them - but then we also talk about fairies. I'm wondering what non-physical evidence actually is.

(Penfield made a fundamental mistake for a natural scientist: explaining a physical phenomenon by appeal to a non-physical cause, with no evidence for the causal mechanism.)

[henry quirk]

How about non-physical evidence for the existence of a god, free will and natural rights/morality

As I say: been there, done that, with you.

then we also talk about fairies.

With that kinda invite: I pass.

[henry quirk]

(Penfield made a fundamental mistake for a natural scientist: explaining a physical phenomenon by appeal to a non-physical cause, with no evidence for the causal mechanism.)

As you haven't read the book: you don't know what you're talkin' about.

'nuff said.

[Peter Holmes]

How about non-physical evidence for the existence of a god, free will and natural rights/morality

As I say: been there, done that, with you.

then we also talk about fairies.

With that kinda invite: I pass.

Sorry. I think the idea of non-physical evidence is incoherent. It isn't evidence at all.

(I don't need to read the book. My point stands.)

[henry quirk]

I think the idea of non-physical evidence is incoherent.

Of course you do: no surprise there.

[Belinda]

I googled Bastiat.

Why not read him?

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You often make me laugh thanks.

[henry quirk]

I googled Bastiat.

Why not read him?

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You often make me laugh thanks.

not sure how to take that...

you're welcome...