What could make morality objective?

[Age]

But you STILL had NEVER answered this question until AFTER I wrote this in ANOTHER thread.

I did multiple times both implicitly and explicitly, and to a degree, this is the theme we've always been talking about. Again you're not fooling any 'reader'.

And who you are TRYING TO FOOL will be CLEARLY SEEN when you absolutely FAIL to PROVIDE absolutely ANY time AT ALL when you had SUPPOSEDLY answered, laughably, "multiple times", ALREADY.

So, CAN you SHOW us ANY time?

If yes, then PLEASE DO.

Your INABILITY to WILL SHOW and PROVE who is FOOLING 'who' here.

LOOK, ALL you can do is ask me some questions, in the HOPE that I will 'slip up'. But, because I NEVER have, all you can end up doing is just saying things like; "I am DUMB", and, "you are smart".

If you can FIND absolutely ANY thing that is False, Wrong, OR Correct in my writings, then PROVIDE WHERE. Until then all you are sounding like here is a very little child in the school yard.

[Atla]

And who you are TRYING TO FOOL will be CLEARLY SEEN when you absolutely FAIL to PROVIDE absolutely ANY time AT ALL when you had SUPPOSEDLY answered, laughably, "multiple times", ALREADY.

More lies you aren't fooling any future 'reader' with. You keep developing amnesia and keep denying the entire posting history, but anyone can read back. Also, I did sometimes dig up earlier comments that were proof, which is a total waste of time, and now you're lying about that too.

[Age]

And who you are TRYING TO FOOL will be CLEARLY SEEN when you absolutely FAIL to PROVIDE absolutely ANY time AT ALL when you had SUPPOSEDLY answered, laughably, "multiple times", ALREADY.

More lies you aren't fooling any future 'reader' with. You keep developing amnesia and keep denying the entire posting history, but anyone can read back.

Are these 'one's', who can read back, these so-called NON 'readers' ALSO?

The MORE you TRY TO help "yourself" here the MORE you are just CONTRADICTING "yourself" even FURTHER.

Also, I did sometimes dig up earlier comments that were proof, which is a total waste of time, and now you're lying about that too.

If you say so.

But the 'readers' can and WILL SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth is here.

[Atla]

But the 'readers' can and WILL SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth is here.

Again, only someone who has seen the future can speak with such certainty.

[Age]

But the 'readers' can and WILL SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth is here.

Again, only someone who has seen the future can speak with such certainty.

VERY True.

[Atla]

But the 'readers' can and WILL SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth is here.

Again, only someone who has seen the future can speak with such certainty.

VERY True.

So again: how has Age the human seen the future?

[RCSaunders]

So again: how has Age the human seen the future?

Drugs, apparently.

[Age]

Again, only someone who has seen the future can speak with such certainty.

VERY True.

So again: how has Age the human seen the future?

By KNOWING, itself.

And, by the way, thank you for just PROVING me True, ONCE AGAIN.

[Atla]

VERY True.

So again: how has Age the human seen the future?

By KNOWING, itself.

And, by the way, thank you for just PROVING me True, ONCE AGAIN.

All we've shown again is that you BELIEVE to have this "knowing", but you can't prove it, no one ever can. You're quite probably making it up, which is what desperate liars do.
In English it's usually called "channeling the universe" by the way, and for some reason you also kept lying that you aren't doing that one.

[Age]

So again: how has Age the human seen the future?

By KNOWING, itself.

And, by the way, thank you for just PROVING me True, ONCE AGAIN.

All we've shown again is that you BELIEVE to have this "knowing", but you can't prove it, no one ever can.

How could one be so STUPID? Or have you just FORGOTTEN?

I neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY 'thing'. UNDERSTOOD, THIS TIME NOW?

Also, a PRIME EXAMPLE of 'BELIEF', itself, can be CLEARLY SEEN in the last part of YOUR CLAIM. Which, by the way, is OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong AND Incorrect. But, just as OBVIOUS is the Fact that you could NOT SEE this IRREFUTABLE Truth, and this is because you are being BLINDED by your very OWN BELIEF here.

You're quite probably making it up, which is what desperate liars do.

LOL

If only you were able to SEE and UNDERSTAND what thee ACTUAL Truth IS here, EXACTLY.

In English it's usually called "channeling the universe" by the way, and for some reason you also kept lying that you aren't doing that one.

So, are you now SAYING and CLAIMING I AM?

[Atla]

How could one be so STUPID? Or have you just FORGOTTEN?

I neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY 'thing'. UNDERSTOOD, THIS TIME NOW?

Your lies don't work on me, remember? Nor on others here from the looks of it, understood, this time now?

Sorry sage I got bored again, till the next time.

[Age]

How could one be so STUPID? Or have you just FORGOTTEN?

I neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY 'thing'. UNDERSTOOD, THIS TIME NOW?

Your lies don't work on me, remember?

But just because you call some 'thing' a LIE, or call some 'one' a LIAR, this does NOT necessarily mean that what you SAY and CALL is true AT ALL.

If you do NOT provide the ACTUAL PROOF for YOUR CLAIMS, then what you are SAYING could be, literally, NOTHING AT ALL but LIES, themselves.

So, we AWAIT your PROOF, that is; IF you do REALLY have ANY at all.

Nor on others here from the looks of it, understood, this time now?

WHY? What were you ACTUALLY EXPECTING to happen here, this time?

Sorry sage I got bored again, till the next time.

What can be VERY CLEARLY SEEN here is that 'you' are such a bored one that you want to 'troll' me and say and claim NOTHING AT ALL REALLY other than "I am DUMB" and "you are NOT".

You do this because you BELIEVE, wholeheartedly, that what I SAY and CLAIM could NOT possibly be True, Right, and Correct AT ALL, and if I was True, Right, AND Correct, then this would DEFEAT just about absolutely EVERY thing you have been SAYING and CLAIMING, which would make 'you', the BELIEVING adult human being, relatively NOTHING AT ALL, REALLY.

Oh, and by the way, PLEASE do NOT feel 'sorry' for your writings here. Your writings, after all, are ACTUALLY PROVING what I have been and am SAYING and CLAIMING IRREFUTABLY True, Right, AND Correct.

So, once again, PLEASE KEEP RESPONDING.

[Peter Holmes]

How could one be so STUPID? Or have you just FORGOTTEN?

I neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY 'thing'. UNDERSTOOD, THIS TIME NOW?

Your lies don't work on me, remember?

But just because you call some 'thing' a LIE, or call some 'one' a LIAR, this does NOT necessarily mean that what you SAY and CALL is true AT ALL.

If you do NOT provide the ACTUAL PROOF for YOUR CLAIMS, then what you are SAYING could be, literally, NOTHING AT ALL but LIES, themselves.

So, we AWAIT your PROOF, that is; IF you do REALLY have ANY at all.

Nor on others here from the looks of it, understood, this time now?

WHY? What were you ACTUALLY EXPECTING to happen here, this time?

Sorry sage I got bored again, till the next time.

What can be VERY CLEARLY SEEN here is that 'you' are such a bored one that you want to 'troll' me and say and claim NOTHING AT ALL REALLY other than "I am DUMB" and "you are NOT".

You do this because you BELIEVE, wholeheartedly, that what I SAY and CLAIM could NOT possibly be True, Right, and Correct AT ALL, and if I was True, Right, AND Correct, then this would DEFEAT just about absolutely EVERY thing you have been SAYING and CLAIMING, which would make 'you', the BELIEVING adult human being, relatively NOTHING AT ALL, REALLY.

Oh, and by the way, PLEASE do NOT feel 'sorry' for your writings here. Your writings, after all, are ACTUALLY PROVING what I have been and am SAYING and CLAIMING IRREFUTABLY True, Right, AND Correct.

So, once again, PLEASE KEEP RESPONDING.

Okay. Here's a suggestion. Try setting out, in as few words as possible, and without slagging anyone off, and without self-advertising, and without using block capitals, why morality is objective and subjective. See if you can do it. You might enjoy the discipline.

You could do it in two sentences, one beginning 'Morality is objective because...' and the other beginning 'Morality is subjective because...'

[Age]

Your lies don't work on me, remember?

But just because you call some 'thing' a LIE, or call some 'one' a LIAR, this does NOT necessarily mean that what you SAY and CALL is true AT ALL.

If you do NOT provide the ACTUAL PROOF for YOUR CLAIMS, then what you are SAYING could be, literally, NOTHING AT ALL but LIES, themselves.

So, we AWAIT your PROOF, that is; IF you do REALLY have ANY at all.

Nor on others here from the looks of it, understood, this time now?

WHY? What were you ACTUALLY EXPECTING to happen here, this time?

Sorry sage I got bored again, till the next time.

What can be VERY CLEARLY SEEN here is that 'you' are such a bored one that you want to 'troll' me and say and claim NOTHING AT ALL REALLY other than "I am DUMB" and "you are NOT".

You do this because you BELIEVE, wholeheartedly, that what I SAY and CLAIM could NOT possibly be True, Right, and Correct AT ALL, and if I was True, Right, AND Correct, then this would DEFEAT just about absolutely EVERY thing you have been SAYING and CLAIMING, which would make 'you', the BELIEVING adult human being, relatively NOTHING AT ALL, REALLY.

Oh, and by the way, PLEASE do NOT feel 'sorry' for your writings here. Your writings, after all, are ACTUALLY PROVING what I have been and am SAYING and CLAIMING IRREFUTABLY True, Right, AND Correct.

So, once again, PLEASE KEEP RESPONDING.

Okay. Here's a suggestion. Try setting out, in as few words as possible, and without slagging anyone off, and without self-advertising, and without using block capitals, why morality is objective and subjective. See if you can do it. You might enjoy the discipline.

You could also try setting out, in as few words as possible, and without slagging anyone off, and without self-advertising, and without using words the way you do, why 'morality' could NEVER EVER be 'objective' FOREVER MORE.

You might enjoy the discipline.

Here is another suggestion, you might take on what has been explained to you WHY your already explained reasons are NOT sufficient.

You could do it in two sentences, one beginning 'Morality is objective because...' and the other beginning 'Morality is subjective because...'

Can you set out in one sentence WHY 'morality' could NEVER EVER be 'objective'?

Now,

If we AGREE and ACCEPT the word;

'morality', to mean; principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

'subjective', to mean; based on or influenced by personal feelings or opinions.

Then, 'morality' is 'subjective' because principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior are based on or influenced by personal feelings or opinions. As PROVED True by the personal 'views' of human beings.

And,

I will wait for you to define what 'objective' means, so that I can NOT be accused of ANY thing regarding this. Then, when and IF you do provide A definition for what 'objective' means, to you, then we can proceed.

Also, you asked for ANY one who disagrees with what you describe is a fact: something that just is or was the case, such as that water is H2O? I DO, and have EXPLAINED WHY. So, WHY do you NOT reply to that EXPLANATION.

[Peter Holmes]

But just because you call some 'thing' a LIE, or call some 'one' a LIAR, this does NOT necessarily mean that what you SAY and CALL is true AT ALL.

If you do NOT provide the ACTUAL PROOF for YOUR CLAIMS, then what you are SAYING could be, literally, NOTHING AT ALL but LIES, themselves.

So, we AWAIT your PROOF, that is; IF you do REALLY have ANY at all.


WHY? What were you ACTUALLY EXPECTING to happen here, this time?


What can be VERY CLEARLY SEEN here is that 'you' are such a bored one that you want to 'troll' me and say and claim NOTHING AT ALL REALLY other than "I am DUMB" and "you are NOT".

You do this because you BELIEVE, wholeheartedly, that what I SAY and CLAIM could NOT possibly be True, Right, and Correct AT ALL, and if I was True, Right, AND Correct, then this would DEFEAT just about absolutely EVERY thing you have been SAYING and CLAIMING, which would make 'you', the BELIEVING adult human being, relatively NOTHING AT ALL, REALLY.

Oh, and by the way, PLEASE do NOT feel 'sorry' for your writings here. Your writings, after all, are ACTUALLY PROVING what I have been and am SAYING and CLAIMING IRREFUTABLY True, Right, AND Correct.

So, once again, PLEASE KEEP RESPONDING.

Okay. Here's a suggestion. Try setting out, in as few words as possible, and without slagging anyone off, and without self-advertising, and without using block capitals, why morality is objective and subjective. See if you can do it. You might enjoy the discipline.

You could also try setting out, in as few words as possible, and without slagging anyone off, and without self-advertising, and without using words the way you do, why 'morality' could NEVER EVER be 'objective' FOREVER MORE.

You might enjoy the discipline.

Here is another suggestion, you might take on what has been explained to you WHY your already explained reasons are NOT sufficient.

You could do it in two sentences, one beginning 'Morality is objective because...' and the other beginning 'Morality is subjective because...'

Can you set out in one sentence WHY 'morality' could NEVER EVER be 'objective'?

Now,

If we AGREE and ACCEPT the word;

'morality', to mean; principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

'subjective', to mean; based on or influenced by personal feelings or opinions.

Then, 'morality' is 'subjective' because principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior are based on or influenced by personal feelings or opinions. As PROVED True by the personal 'views' of human beings.

And,

I will wait for you to define what 'objective' means, so that I can NOT be accused of ANY thing regarding this. Then, when and IF you do provide A definition for what 'objective' means, to you, then we can proceed.

Also, you asked for ANY one who disagrees with what you describe is a fact: something that just is or was the case, such as that water is H2O? I DO, and have EXPLAINED WHY. So, WHY do you NOT reply to that EXPLANATION.

Thanks. This is much clearer, though you still used block capitals, which makes reading harder, because it wrecks the scanning function we use to read fluently. Please stop doing it.

1 I agree that morality is subjective, as you define the terms 'morality' and 'subjectivity'.

2 Morality can't be objective - factual or based on facts - because there are no moral facts - no moral features of reality, or states-of-affairs, that exist regardless of or independent from anyone's opinion. (See #1 above.) For example, the moral rightness of being kind and wrongness of being unkind are not independently existing features of reality.

3 The claim that what we call a fact is merely a matter of opinion - collapsing the fact/opinion distinction, and therefore the objectivity/subjectivity distinction - detonates itself. Is it a fact or merely a matter of opinion?