Ukraine Crisis

[iambiguous]

Our principles, or theirs?

American (not United States) principles, which are really just natural rights, codified.

You know: there are Russian citizens protestin', openly, against Putin's Ukraine move?

I reckon it's their principles too.

Here's my own take on the nature "American principles":
https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... s#p2187045

Also, I created a thread at ILP that explores this conflict given the manner in which I construe the existential relationship between political/government policy and dasein: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=197679

A whole other spin on it.

[Gary Childress]

Get rid of NATO and the problem goes away.

Absolutely! And dissolve the EU at the same time. They're all power-hungry bastards.

Throw the UN in the trash along with them both. They are all as corrupt as fuck and worse than useless.

I disagree. I think throwing the UN out would be along the lines of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The corruption needs to stop, not the idea of having the UN.

[Dontaskme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sajngb0W6I

While old men talk - young men die - I wasn't really sure what was going on....

[promethean75]

"I didn't read your post. Sorry, I don't find you that interesting" - vegitariantaxidermy

You better watch what you say. You better watch what you do to me. Don't get carried away. Girl, if you can do better than me, go. Yeah, go... but remember:

Good love is hard to find
Good love is hard to find
You got lucky, babe. You got lucky, babe, when I found you...

[Sculptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sajngb0W6I

While old men talk - young men die - I wasn't really sure what was going on....

I would advise any and all Ukrainians to put down their weapons and apply civil disobediance - why fight the capitialsist war for them?
See how long Putin can control Ukraine when no one obeys, and see how long his own political support in Russia would last.

[Sculptor]

Absolutely! And dissolve the EU at the same time. They're all power-hungry bastards.

Throw the UN in the trash along with them both. They are all as corrupt as fuck and worse than useless.

I disagree. I think throwing the UN out would be along the lines of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The corruption needs to stop, not the idea of having the UN.

Yes, I do no think you can lump the UN in the same category as the EU or NATO.
You have to maintain a forum for talks for all countries.

[promethean75]

I think we need to clear some things up here. Mr. Speaker, if you will please....

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm

[Dontaskme]

I would advise any and all Ukrainians to put down their weapons and apply civil disobediance - why fight the capitialsist war for them?

I totally agree.

See how long Putin can control Ukraine when no one obeys, and see how long his own political support in Russia would last.

That's so true.

Thing is, so it seems to me, the world doesn't want war, it's the last thing on peoples minds...and thanks to the expansion of knowledge via the internet, people today have grown a proper frontal lobe and realised they can think and act for themselves and make their own intelligent sensible informed decisions about how to live their lives in a harmonious and peaceful way.

World Leaders cannot make people listen and look up to them by force, so this war is doomed to fail for Russia, on that one basic principle alone.

I've seen some videos of some of those Russian soldiers, they look so young, lost and confused...having grown up in peacetime they have no idea how to conduct a war.

[Gary Childress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sajngb0W6I

While old men talk - young men die - I wasn't really sure what was going on....

I would advise any and all Ukrainians to put down their weapons and apply civil disobediance - why fight the capitialsist war for them?
See how long Putin can control Ukraine when no one obeys, and see how long his own political support in Russia would last.

Yes. I think this is the way of the future. Also, the executive power of US Presidents must be curtailed to exclude the ability to declare war without the consent of the American people. And there needs to be a free press that will report things objectively and not just the way official sources want them to be reported. I think something like that would best be achieved through the decentralization of media ownership.

[Sculptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sajngb0W6I

While old men talk - young men die - I wasn't really sure what was going on....

I would advise any and all Ukrainians to put down their weapons and apply civil disobediance - why fight the capitialsist war for them?
See how long Putin can control Ukraine when no one obeys, and see how long his own political support in Russia would last.

Yes. I think this is the way of the future. Also, the executive power of US Presidents must be curtailed to exclude the ability to declare war without the consent of the American people. And there needs to be a free press that will report things objectively and not just the way official sources want them to be reported. I think something like that would best be achieved through the decentralization of media ownership.

Yes that was the early dream of the Internet but things are not turning out too well ATM.
I think we see the paradox between anarchy and control.
Control needed to keep to the facts, and the anarchy needed to avoid those facts being engineered for the agenda of sectional and powerful interests.
There is no objectivity here. All facts are selective.

[Gary Childress]

I would advise any and all Ukrainians to put down their weapons and apply civil disobediance - why fight the capitialsist war for them?
See how long Putin can control Ukraine when no one obeys, and see how long his own political support in Russia would last.

Yes. I think this is the way of the future. Also, the executive power of US Presidents must be curtailed to exclude the ability to declare war without the consent of the American people. And there needs to be a free press that will report things objectively and not just the way official sources want them to be reported. I think something like that would best be achieved through the decentralization of media ownership.

Yes that was the early dream of the Internet but things are not turning out too well ATM.
I think we see the paradox between anarchy and control.
Control needed to keep to the facts, and the anarchy needed to avoid those facts being engineered for the agenda of sectional and powerful interests.
There is no objectivity here. All facts are selective.

Yes. All that seems very true to me as well.

[henry quirk]

See how you fixate on the irrelevant? You just don't know when to stop. Classic autistic/aspergers/or whatever the fuck label they give insanity these days, behaviour. Get over yourself.

Yep. It's the relentlessness of the questions, the obsession with minutia, the off-puttin' style, and the sheer volume of it all, that makes my eyes bleed.

[henry quirk]

Our principles, or theirs?

American (not United States) principles, which are really just natural rights, codified.

You know: there are Russian citizens protestin', openly, against Putin's Ukraine move?

I reckon it's their principles too.

Here's my own take on the nature "American principles":
https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... s#p2187045

Also, I created a thread at ILP that explores this conflict given the manner in which I construe the existential relationship between political/government policy and dasein: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=197679

A whole other spin on it.

If I wanted to read threads from i love philosophy, I'd be there. I'm here and have no interest in your cross-pollination project. You can cut & paste, re-state, or stay silent.

[henry quirk]

I would advise any and all Ukrainians to put down their weapons and apply civil disobediance - why fight the capitialsist war for them?

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[Gary Childress]

I would advise any and all Ukrainians to put down their weapons and apply civil disobediance - why fight the capitialsist war for them?

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Good point. I suppose it would be better to ask the Russian soldiers why they are fighting Putin's war for him and for them to put down their weapons and apply civil disobedience.