Ukraine Crisis

[Belinda]

I read Chomsky's piece about the wider view of the Ukraine crisis. Thanks for posting copy of the Chomsky article. How might these historical events and their present issues be popularised in easy language for inadequate readers? Who will and can disseminate easy to read paraphrases of Chomsky?

[promethean75]

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[Age]

That which knows it lives will die. But that which does not know it lives will never die.

Find the pole that supports all the others - remove that one - and the whole tent collapses.

Pole: An I shaped object.

BUT thee 'I' KNOWS It lives, and, KNOWS It NEVER dies.

OBVIOUSLY though 'you', adult human beings, ALSO KNOW 'you' live, but, in a sense, do VERY MUCH 'die'.

[Age]

How can a single man with such a small chin and an almost perfectly round head, have the whole world on the edge of its seat?

But NO 'man' has the WHOLE WORLD on the "edge of its seat". Unless, OF COURSE, the so-called "whole world", to you, is 'you', and just some few "other" human beings.

If this fuckin guy doesn't do sumthin and do it soon, I've got the good nerve to call him myself and straighten shit out ova there.

Okay.

[promethean75]

Imma ax Putin to invade YOU if you don't leave me alone, Age.

[Belinda]

Chomsky is getting really old. Public intellectuals and thinkers are dying off, and the ones who aren't dead are being silenced by puritanical morons. There's no one to replace them because young people now are all narcissistic, brain-washed, PC zombies who live on social media.

So it would seem. But let's remember that brainy people are a minute percentile of any age group, and you and I have not been lucky enough to meet any from the small brainy percentile of young people.

[promethean75]

It's true. The last batch of young, new relevant intellectuals to come out of the last fifty years were the four horsemen (Dennett, Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens). Conservative intellectuals like Shapiro and Peterson and Craig don't count because clowns belong in circuses, not academia.

But yeah it's pretty much over. Well I mean it was over at the apex of the analytical movement coming out of the 40s; everything following this decisive moment was either a recapitulation of some past continental philosophy, post-structural, post-modern obscurantism, or a variety of analytical Marxism.

But now it's really, really over. You will see nothing but the rise of AI and a world teetering between a full blown capitalistic techno-fascism and violent worker revolution to stop it. Which way the cookie will crumble is impossible to say. But you'll get no more intellectuals because philosophy is dead, has been dead, died nearly a hunerd years ago. All you have today (with the exception of the horsemen) are weaponized memes, systematic pseudo-scientific brainwashing and conservative propaganda to defend and support the ruling global capitalist elite (or 'mondo parasite class', the MPC).

Then of course there's public philosophy forums with all the hobby garage intellectuals but they don't count. Like me. Don't believe a word I say. Actually forget this entire post.

[Sculptor]

WTP?

[Belinda]

Promethean75 wrote:

Then of course there's public philosophy forums with all the hobby garage intellectuals but they don't count. Like me. Don't believe a word I say. Actually forget this entire post.

There are also garage intellectuals meeting real others. There are teachers and students at universities who are garage intellectuals. You don't need middle class guilt.

[promethean75]

Has there ever been a more perfectly designed piece of shit than Donald Trump? It is as if a jungian archetype of the capitalist had crawled right out of the sewer to walk among men. Now he's praising Putin... another useless bourgeois parasite, who is attacking, unprovoked, a sovereign country.

Okay but let's assume this attack has good reasons. Still, Trump wouldn't know what they are (if there were), so he gets no credit here, either, because a 40 IQ is not able to comprehend any of this. Did he (try to) think about what he said, or did he just open his eating hole and something random came out?

What I can't figure out is why Trump hasn't been assassinated yet. I can't be the only one who recognizes what a scum bucket this guy is, and shirley there are as many opportunities to shoot his fat ass as there are nutts out there who would do it.

If I were a Ukrainian and I heard Trump praise Putin like he did, I'd be on the first plane to Florida or where ever that shit stain is, to put a cap in his ass and be done with em.

[Sculptor]

Has there ever been a more perfectly designed piece of shit than Donald Trump? It is as if a jungian archetype of the capitalist had crawled right out of the sewer to walk among men. Now he's praising Putin... another useless bourgeois parasite, who is attacking, unprovoked, a sovereign country.

It maybe unwise, draconain, manipulative, bad, evil, but one thing it is not is unprovoked.
That is just the media bullshit. The provocation has been ongoing at least since 2014.

Okay but let's assume this attack has good reasons. Still, Trump wouldn't know what they are (if there were), so he gets no credit here, either, because a 40 IQ is not able to comprehend any of this. Did he (try to) think about what he said, or did he just open his eating hole and something random came out?

Trump thinks that passing a mental test for senility makes him a "stable genius".
In all of the USA, could the so-called democratic system not come up with someone better than Trump or Biden? It is truly shameful. Putin is so far ahead of them intellectually it is embarrassing.

What I can't figure out is why Trump hasn't been assassinated yet. I can't be the only one who recognizes what a scum bucket this guy is, and shirley there are as many opportunities to shoot his fat ass as there are nutts out there who would do it.

I would imagine he enjoys a top shelf security detail paid for by the tax payer and extreme cost.

If I were a Ukrainian and I heard Trump praise Putin like he did, I'd be on the first plane to Florida or where ever that shit stain is, to put a cap in his ass and be done with em.

We can only hope.

[promethean75]

That whole mess with the Donbas region is part and parcel of how badly economies can be managed by imperialist countries competing for territory. The fact, however, that the Ukraine did so terribly at it, and that pro-russian separatists occupy the region, does not give Putin a diplomatic right to invade Ukraine. He's simply declaring the Minsk protocols void and rolling the tanks in because the region has a strong population of Russian sympathizers. I mean you can do that, sure, but it ain't gonna convince the rest of the world that you have good reason to do so.

But this is what you need to look at:

"Amidst the ongoing war, the separatist republics held referendums on the status of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts on 11 May 2014. In the referendums, viewed as illegal by Ukraine and undemocratic by the international community, about 90% voted for the independence of the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic."

The existential dilemma; what constitutes a 'legal' referendum in a region so badly managed and abandoned by its parent country that the only niggas in the place with any say/vote, happen to be pro-russian thugs who are armed to the teeth?

Bro if Lenin were alive today to see this nonsense I dunno whether he'd laugh or cry.

[henry quirk]

if certain folks here in the states weren't desperate to turn attention away from their own failings, ukraine wouldn't be in the news: it's all misdirection and diversion...well, gee, we sure screwed things up here at home! let's scare the citizens with the threat of sendin' their sons and daughters off to war! we'll get their attention focused over there while we mop up the mess we made here

Tomorrow: when the net is down, when your grocer hasn't anything to sell, when your vehicle is parked cuz there's no fuel, and when your guts are twisted, think about the dodderin' old man crappin' himself in the White House, and all his clueless advisors who, just to wag the dog, made it all (im)possible.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

So humans have learnt nothing and remain the feral mob of gullible, brain-washed retards, susceptible to every over-confident kunt with 'leader qualities' who comes along, that we have always been. Or perhaps not. It's entirely up to us...

[promethean75]

That is correct. Since the collapse of the fake Marxist state capitalism of the Soviet Union in 91, both Russia and the Ukraine have struggled to maintain stability and growth (do to the inherent problems of capitalist economies) for any length of time before being beset by some aggravating factor. Look over the history of the economies since 91 and take note of all the bullshit going on during this time. Today, as crony capitalisms, both countries are more or less shit for the average citizen. Some 70% of Russian adults made less than 10,000 (in dollars) in 2020, giving Russia the highest level of income equality of modern countries. The legal system is shit and that numbnutts Putin has been in power what, twenty some years now? What the fuck is this, a dynasty or a representative democracy?

So that whole situation over there has been a joke since Stalin took power, and has only gone from bad to worse. Russia's whole economy has as much force as the state of Texas, if that, and yet it's like 1/5 of the earth's land mass. Like how do you fuck that up? I'll tell ya; wealthy oligarchs and mobsters who still live because the Russian people got no real leaders. I don't even have a visa, so there's no way I can get over there to help them.