"The Holocaust isn't about race" Whoopi Goldberg on the View

[Sculptor]

If she had said the holocaust was not "JUST "about race then she would have been spot on.

Jews have turned the holocaust into a personal fetish and for decades the many other vicitms of the holocaust have been forgotten in Israel's attempt to OWN the holocaust for their own political advantage.
The "apartheid" * government of Israel is under continual pressue to find justification for it persecution of Palestinians and to cover up its own massacres and oppression.

But there is along list of voiceless victms; Homosexuals including lesbians; other "sexual deviants"; Mentally handicapped people; Physically handicapped people; Gypsies; Black and Brown people; Slavic people; Communist and Socialist party activists; Freemasons; Spanish Republicans.
But it does not end there. Aside from the usually quoted six million, there were also the same number of Russian non-jewish civilians, and 1.2 million POWs.

I was yet again horrified that the BBC, as fucking usual failed to mention ANYONE other than Jews.
It is my view that Goldberg has been attacked because a largely jewish/Israel oriented press is obsessed with the slightest chance to call anyone they can an antisemite.

And the fascistic wokies here have rushed in to do the same.


* The Israeli state has been recently, called an "apartheid" state by Amnesty International, and also by the United Nations some time ago.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Another tedious wokie shoving his wanky politics into the equation. And a pom to boot. Israel is the empitomy of restraint and compassion when comapared to England and its warmongering, supremacist mind-set. You don't just change that quickly. 'Interesting' how woke the English have become. Perhaps it should put all that 'wokeness' into something a bit more constructive than criticising someone ELSE'S country--like not slaughtering innocent people in their own countries--people who have never done the English any harm, or calling thugs like Prince Harry a 'hero'.

[Sculptor]

I know its all a bit too much of me to expect any of you to educate yourself, but the holocaust is not just about Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

[Sculptor]

duplicate

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that, but you can hardly blame Jews for focusing on their own experience, and they were vastly the largest group.
It's really not Jews' responsibility to spread awareness on behalf of other groups who were systematically murdered.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The fashionable wokie always hates Israel, and more often than not buys into all the conspiracy theories surrounding Jews--that they 'own' all the banks and generally rule the world (the surname 'Rothschild' frequently comes up), so it's no surprise that a wokie would make the claim that Whoopi did. The implication is that the Nazis slaughtered Jews because Hitler didn't like them 'controlling everything there is to control in the world' (not that he was a short-sighted, shallow fool who believed illogical and nonsensical crap like the 'protocols of zion' etc..).

Ironically hilarious that a wokie (you know, those people who call everyone and everything 'racist' as a way of showing the world what a 'good' person they are and to silence anyone who disagrees with them) would be saying that something that is the very definition of racist, isn't racist. Good grief.

In spite of all that, what happened to the 'land of the free'? The first amendment? Why would she be suspended for saying something in the 'land of the free'?

Interesting that the anti-free speech mob have come up with the 'cute' little adage, 'Yes, you can say what you like, but there are also CONSEQUENCES to what you say'. That's like saying that Stalinism and Nazism had free speech; you could say what you like, but if you said anything they didn't like you would be killed.

[commonsense]

I know its all a bit too much of me to expect any of you to educate yourself, but the holocaust is not just about Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

Not to excuse her, but I wonder if the numbers in Wikipedia are why Whoopi said the Holocaust was not about racism. Roughly half of the people slaughtered by the Nazi’s were not Jewish.

[Scott Mayers]

I so sick of all these pathetic faux apologies and all the fuckwits who pretend to be offended all the time.

I'm getting fed up too. I just found out that Whoopie was 'suspended' (I thought 'fired' at first). Even if you disagree with her, who doesn't know that she has sincere intentions against hate against anyone, including the Jews. I thought she argued fair too given she WAS just making a point about how Jewish people tend to be mostly white and you cannot normally distinguish these in a crowd. As such, she was saying that others are more abusively discriminated against based on obvious external appearances.

The Holocaust also killed other minorities too. Just because these others may not have been targetted the worst BY NUMBERS, they should not be trivialized simply by the contrast. Note that unlike the U.S. at present, many of the British Commonwealth countries legally separate Jews from Caucasians (Whites) yet they predominate in an UNREPRESENTATIVE number of those who represent ''white" people in many movies. [How many of those "Christmas" movies, for instance, use NON-Jews in the major roles?] Given much of the entertainment influences AND reflects our culture, could it not be true that Jewish people themselves are ALSO just as racist?

I would say that the arrogant defence of ONE people when fighting against racist causes actually ENHANCES racism against them too. IF one is sincerely wanting to stop racism, those organs that define themselves in a 'advocacy' SPECIFICALLY against their own (any 'minority' advocacy) are being the major contributors to the social rise in hate because when one makes some WHOLE CLASS of people 'innocent' by virtue of being a MEMBER of a race, ethnicity, or other minority.

HATE is a a product of strong LOVE which makes those defending SPECIFIC biases in unrepresentative percentages sincerely RACIST! Why is it assumed alright for one to have legitimacy to COUNTER_HATE based specifically upon the LOVE OF ONLY their OWN?

I'm getting fed up. I am Left of center as many here now. But I feared that regardless of where one is at, they are all ignorant of how FAVORING one's own with extreme IS THEE cause of the racism. When any society suffers, pluralities will ALWAYS be able to point to unrepresentative fairness of being the ones impoverished unfairly. Why are we not allowed to look at the other end of the spectra? [No wonder the Socialist countrie look at us as being so fucking arrogant and HYPOCRITICAL.]

[Scott Mayers]

I just saw on CNN that Whoopi apologized for a comment on the View saying that the "Holocaust isn't about race". Now I happen to agree in part with this because the more general fact about the Holocaust was that it involved ANYONE whom was EITHER thought inferior or to those who have some desire to annihilate those who seemed to be in direct competition to the Germanic version of what they thought the community of the Jews represented to them.

Well, the Nazis spent a lot of time aiming hatred at what they considered a race, the Jews. That they were racist against Roma, doesn't take away from their racism against what they considered a race, the Jews. That they hated Communists and jailed and concentration camped communists doesn't take away from their racists tracts, books, speeches, radio programs, race laws that justified kiling this person but not that one based on how much they belonged to or had genes of a race. That they killed developmentally disabled people does not take away from their racism. They were racist against Jews and spent more time focused on this racism - in terms of propaganda - than they spend on other races and groups. But, sure they hated other people also. If i hate black people and also want to euthanize people who have cleft palates or men who wear their hair long, this doesn't take away from my racism. Nor does the Nazi hatred and killing of other groups mean that the Holocaust, which is a term focusing on the killing based on race which was primarily focused on Jews, but yes also got aimed at Roma, Poles. But the term, which was actually first used in relation to Armenians by the Ottomans (sabout race) and later got focused on the genocidal project aimed at the Jews. It wasn't coincidental at so many Jews were killed. They were chosen due to race, even if they were good at chess and being a doctor and were anti.communist.

The term was specifically used to refer to genocidal race based killing, that is on a broad scale. That is what the term meant. It did not mean, the killing done by the Nazis on any grounds. It was focused primarily on the Jews because this was the most ambitious facet of the racial killing I would guess also that since Roma, for example, were killed in smaller numbers, had little lobbying power in countries like the US - which is where the term arose - and even whose deaths might not have been noticed so well internationally during the war when the term was first used to describe, yes, the genocidal racist killing of Jews.

That's what the term was intended to be used for.

The term, "Holocaust" itself is a reference to genocide and intentionally ignores the general CRIME here.

What you and many other are not aware of (or don't want to be for many) is that the National Socialists and Facists BASED their ideal on the assumption that the Jew were themselves a 'fascist' group considering they close off their community and aim to FAVOR their own (as would be expected of most people in such groups). They are ALL 'cults' to me given I don't think religion itself is anything rational except for a means to manipulate. So the fact that the JEWS themselves interpreted themselves as a 'race' is NOT merely from the Nazis but a reflection of their own "supremacy"!! Israel IS just such a clearly FACIST state.

If this keeps up, I don't wonder why their is a rise of fascism from the non-Jewish whites: I would be more surprised that we DON'T have them. The SOLUTION should be to RESPECT the fact that "hate"-isms can ONLY come about from (1) a concentration of wealth and power to some EXCLUSIVE subset of people who pass on INHERITANCE to their OWN ONLY, and (2) the opposing concentration of another subset of people(s) getting too big on the IMPOVERISHED side of the population. The hate cannot occur WITHOUT a belief in ISOLATING FAVOR to one's own genetic supremacy

[commonsense]

HATE is a a product of strong LOVE…

Hate is the antithesis of love. Hate is a product of fear.

[Impenitent]

just for clarification...

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/wh ... opian-jews

-Imp

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I just saw on CNN that Whoopi apologized for a comment on the View saying that the "Holocaust isn't about race". Now I happen to agree in part with this because the more general fact about the Holocaust was that it involved ANYONE whom was EITHER thought inferior or to those who have some desire to annihilate those who seemed to be in direct competition to the Germanic version of what they thought the community of the Jews represented to them.

Well, the Nazis spent a lot of time aiming hatred at what they considered a race, the Jews. That they were racist against Roma, doesn't take away from their racism against what they considered a race, the Jews. That they hated Communists and jailed and concentration camped communists doesn't take away from their racists tracts, books, speeches, radio programs, race laws that justified kiling this person but not that one based on how much they belonged to or had genes of a race. That they killed developmentally disabled people does not take away from their racism. They were racist against Jews and spent more time focused on this racism - in terms of propaganda - than they spend on other races and groups. But, sure they hated other people also. If i hate black people and also want to euthanize people who have cleft palates or men who wear their hair long, this doesn't take away from my racism. Nor does the Nazi hatred and killing of other groups mean that the Holocaust, which is a term focusing on the killing based on race which was primarily focused on Jews, but yes also got aimed at Roma, Poles. But the term, which was actually first used in relation to Armenians by the Ottomans (sabout race) and later got focused on the genocidal project aimed at the Jews. It wasn't coincidental at so many Jews were killed. They were chosen due to race, even if they were good at chess and being a doctor and were anti.communist.

The term was specifically used to refer to genocidal race based killing, that is on a broad scale. That is what the term meant. It did not mean, the killing done by the Nazis on any grounds. It was focused primarily on the Jews because this was the most ambitious facet of the racial killing I would guess also that since Roma, for example, were killed in smaller numbers, had little lobbying power in countries like the US - which is where the term arose - and even whose deaths might not have been noticed so well internationally during the war when the term was first used to describe, yes, the genocidal racist killing of Jews.

That's what the term was intended to be used for.

The term, "Holocaust" itself is a reference to genocide and intentionally ignores the general CRIME here.

What you and many other are not aware of (or don't want to be for many) is that the National Socialists and Facists BASED their ideal on the assumption that the Jew were themselves a 'fascist' group considering they close off their community and aim to FAVOR their own (as would be expected of most people in such groups). They are ALL 'cults' to me given I don't think religion itself is anything rational except for a means to manipulate. So the fact that the JEWS themselves interpreted themselves as a 'race' is NOT merely from the Nazis but a reflection of their own "supremacy"!! Israel IS just such a clearly FACIST state.

If this keeps up, I don't wonder why their is a rise of fascism from the non-Jewish whites: I would be more surprised that we DON'T have them. The SOLUTION should be to RESPECT the fact that "hate"-isms can ONLY come about from (1) a concentration of wealth and power to some EXCLUSIVE subset of people who pass on INHERITANCE to their OWN ONLY, and (2) the opposing concentration of another subset of people(s) getting too big on the IMPOVERISHED side of the population. The hate cannot occur WITHOUT a belief in ISOLATING FAVOR to one's own genetic supremacy

What are you on about? Are you drunk?

[Sculptor]

I know its all a bit too much of me to expect any of you to educate yourself, but the holocaust is not just about Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

Not to excuse her, but I wonder if the numbers in Wikipedia are why Whoopi said the Holocaust was not about racism. Roughly half of the people slaughtered by the Nazi’s were not Jewish.

It's more than that. Non Jewish Russian non compatants is more than the 6 million estimated Jews.
Have you noticed, as I have that the other classes of people rarely if ever get mentioned?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I know its all a bit too much of me to expect any of you to educate yourself, but the holocaust is not just about Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

Not to excuse her, but I wonder if the numbers in Wikipedia are why Whoopi said the Holocaust was not about racism. Roughly half of the people slaughtered by the Nazi’s were not Jewish.

It's more than that. Non Jewish Russian non compatants is more than the 6 million estimated Jews.
Have you noticed, as I have that the other classes of people rarely if ever get mentioned?

I covered that, which you conveniently ignored. You are welcome to mention it to your heart's content.

[Scott Mayers]

HATE is a a product of strong LOVE…

Hate is the antithesis of love. Hate is a product of fear.

Sorry, that may be what most are intentionally brainwashed to believe. But the fact is that you cannot HAVE 'hate' without its opposing degree of counter emotional desire to 'love' one's own. These are necessary coinciding oppositions. You cannot have meaning to 'love' without 'hate' by contrast.

The related factor here is also that 'fear' comes from those WITH the power who are afraid to lose it, regardless of whether you coat it with a veneer of 'love'. So unless you can prove how much more PRE-empowered those people you think 'hate' HAVE, then you are merely victimizing the victims of suffering of those YOU DO NOT "LOVE". Why would those who are suffering in general be expected to have a predisposed sense of 'fear' even remotely comparable to those classes of people who are most wealthy?

AND, the most important social psychological contributor is to how it is EASY to abuse others most by HIDDEN and NEGLECTFUL behavior that technically cannot be DIRECTLY proven. As such, the reason for those on the bottom end of the economic ladder who appear more 'hateful' is actually a side-effect of selfpreservation of those who are LOVED THE MOST who FEAR attention to their greedy power and fortune by focusing upon those minority 'haters' who APPEAR as though they come FROM the same wealth class.

That is, since being 'white' is the general favor of the whole AND, for this particular discussion, that the Jews ARE the very dominating 'white' people who represent the very wealth that all other groups are complaining about, there is an intentional deception when attempting to POINT to the rouge minorities of whites who are non-Jewish and relatively poorer as thought they are representative OF the non-Jewish White races. This is PROOF of a real HIDDEN (indirect) hatred by those particular defenders of anti-Semitic-only organs. They serve to keep their own people as "superior" in the vein of the very concept of them as "Chosen people".


Note that I am against presumptions that one cannot point to the 'supremacists' that are based upon in LOVE with their wealth and power able to be used to NEGLECTFULLY harm others by what they do NOT serve in equal compassion. I am against ONLY those Jews (or co-conspiratorial religious favor by Christians believing they have to serve 'proof' of an eventual end-of-times Savior to come forth as predicted in these Judeauo-Christian-Muslim CULTS!)....who are FASCIST but have a means to afford a campaign to decree they are 'justified' innocents while pointing only to their arch-enemy IN KIND! "Antisemitic" accusations point to the a belief in BEING 'Semitic' as though it is an acceptable exception of those believing in 'heritage' ties one's genetics to one's proprietary cultural beliefs. THIS IS 'racist'!
Another fact