free will: yep, another thread about 'that'...

[henry quirk]

How would you KNOW if you are, supposedly, ignoring them AND NOT going to read them snyway?

I've read them...too many of them...that's how I know they give me a headache...and that's why I won't read 'em any more

keep 'em short: I'll read and respond

write long: I'll ignore 'em

[RCSaunders]

ANY one reading what you wrote can CLEARLY SEE that ACTUALLY you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA AT ALL.

Well, there you go. Why waste your time commenting on, "no idea at all?"

[RCSaunders]

While we are at thinking of this is it possible that you could be wrong or incorrect?

It is not possible.

Here is ANOTHER one who EXPLAINS EXACTLY the reason WHY they are BLIND and can NOT YET SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth IS here.

Oh bother!

[RCSaunders]

The two are VERY FIFFERENT 'things ...

If you say so. Out of curiosity is, "very fifferent," different from just plain old vanilla, "fifferent?"

You are a bother, but at least you are entertaining.

[Age]

"dontaskme" is therefore ALSO 'an illusion'. But, to 'who', EXACTLY is "dontaskme" an illusion to? Is a question 'you' may (or may not) ask "your" 'self'.

The answer to 'who' knows what it knows is unknowable. Absolutely without doubt or error, totally and utterly unknowable.

But who AND what KNOWS what It KNOWS is ALREADY KNOWN. Irrefutable and end of story.

Just because the one known as "dontaskme" does NOT YET KNOW an answer does NOT mean, and I will repeat DOES NOT MEAN, that 'that answer' is unknowable.

To have and HOLD the BELIEF 'you' have here "dontaskme" just prevents and STOPS 'you' from becoming wiser.

To claim you know, is an illusion, there simply is no known knower.

But, to you, YOUR CLAIM is NOT an illusion, correct?

As can be CLEARLY SEEN, to CLAIM you know, that you can NEVER learn, and thus know, an answer would have to be an illusion ALSO, to not be contradictory, OR you are just contradicting "your" own 'self' ONCE AGAIN. Which is OBVIOUSLY an ILLOGICAL thing to do.

Reality is one without a second, meaning, reality is a verb.

MEANING there IS 'thee ACTUAL answer', which you CLAIM is UNKNOWABLE.

Which, AGAIN, what can be CLEARLY SEEN is a TOTALLY CONTRADICTORY and ILLOGICAL CLAIM.

Everything is made of Nothing.

When you START EXPLAINING HOW this could logically even be a POSSIBILITY, then, and ONLY THEN, will people START listening to 'you', and then we will START to discuss if this COULD BE an ACTUALITY. But, until then, we ALREADY KNOW EVERY, physical, thing can ONLY EXIST because there EXISTS NOTHING, or NO physical things. So, it can be argued, IRREFUTABLY, that EVERY thing is made/exists because of Nothing. But to CLAIM that EVERY thing is made of Nothing is just plain ABSURD, and ILLOGICAL.

However, it is True that Everything is made of NO things, AND EVERY thing.

Which ALL is ALREADY PROVED True. That is for ANY one who is Truly INTERESTED.

And that's quite a relief to some people, but to others, namely, the religious creeps, it's shocking and totally unacceptable.

Judging "others" as "creeps" is ALSO shocking and TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE to some. But this does NOT stop some people thinking the way they do, correct?

Attachment to the illusions of life, causes pain and suffering.

Is this the reason WHY you wish you were NEVER born, wish you NEVER had ANY children, and suggest that NO one EVER has children EVER again is because you are in pain and suffering?

Also, the MAIN reason ANY one of 'you', human beings, is in pain and suffering will be found to be the result of what 'you', adult human beings, do and CAUSE.

And, ALL of these caused pains and sufferings ONLY children are inflicted with. A Truly matured adult does NOT so-call "suffer".

Like EVERY thing I CLAIM I am also OPEN here to be QUESTIONED and/or CHALLENGED over.

Love, on the other hand is allowing everything that is ultimately made of nothing, to be exactly as it is, without resistence.

So, when one CLAIMS they KNOW some 'thing', which you BELIEVE can NOT be known, then WHY do you NOT ALLOW this 'thing' to be EXACTLY as it IS?

WHY do you KEEP RESISTING what IS, EXACTLY as It IS?

Is the pain and suffering you live with due to your attachment to illusion?

You, after all, would prefer to be DEAD, and thus do NOT want to live. One who live WITH LOVE, and was NOT in pain and suffering, OBVIOUSLY would want to be HERE, in Life, and living for as long as they could.

Where there is resistence, there is incarceration.

Is this WHY 'you' are incarcerated AND in pain and suffering?

WHY do you RESIST the Fact that the question 'Who am 'I'?' can be answered, properly AND correctly, or, in other words, IRREFUTABLY?

Life is a death sentence.

Life is ONLY a 'death sentence' to those who do NOT YET KNOW who, and what, they REALLY ARE.

It's an absolute horror show from start to finish, and the only reason it is endured is because there is no other choice than to endure it.

You are ABSOLUTELY FREE to end your OWN "horror show", absolutely ANY time you wish to. You do NOT have to so-called "endure" Life ANYMORE. Also, one only 'endures' something if they are in pain, and ARE suffering.

So, WHY AGAIN, are 'you', "dontaskme" in pain, and ARE suffering?

Could it be BECAUSE of your attachments to illusions of life? Or, 'you', somehow, do NOT fall to this conclusion of YOURS and it is ONLY "others" who fall to this condition?

Since nothing is making it all happen.

But the physical things in Life, combined with the 'empty space' (or the Nothing) between those physical things, is what ACTUALLY making 'It', or ALL-OF-THIS, happen.

If you consider, or SEE, 'ii' (ALL of this, or ANY part of this) to be a so-called "horror show", then that is SOLELY due to your OWN 'past experiences'.

OBVIOUSLY if you had a DIFFERENT 'upbringing', hitherto, then you would NOT be SEEING what you do now.

Beauty is also part of the horror, beauty is a distraction away from the horror.

Can 'horror' be a distraction away from the 'beauty' also. Or, does it/this only work ONE WAY?

Life is pretty much a dumb, pointless, meaningless, brainless event.

While, to some, Life is pretty much THEE EXACT OPPOSITE. So, which one is LOOKING AT and SEEING thee One and ONLY ACTUAL Truth of things here?

And, WHY such DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES of 'things'? Work that out, then KNOWING thee answer, which you CLAIM is UNKNOWABLE becomes MUCH EASIER and SIMPLER to UNCOVER, and thus become AWARE of and KNOW.

Animals are the lucky ones, they do not seem to cling to some imagined ''I story'' of my life.

'you', humans, are animals. So, are 'you' lucky also?

If no, then WHY NOT?

And, WHY, EXACTLY, do 'you' cling to some imagined "I story" of your life? What would make you do such an ABSURD and STUPID thing?

Humans have evolved to attach themselves to an 'I story' which is a pretty sick trick of nature. IMHO

So, to you, Nature, Itself, decided to 'trick' you into BELIEVING some made up story. WHY do you think or BELIEVE Nature, Itself, decided to do such a thing? And, HOW, EXACTLY, could Nature, Itself, decide or do such a thing.

Also, WHY are you NOT able to RECOGNIZE and SEE this so-called "trick" being played out on 'YOU', "dontaskme", and WHY do 'YOU' attach "your" own 'self' to this supposed and alleged "trick"?

Also, you cannot share your philosophical opinions about what it feels like to be a live sentient feeling and thinking creature, and be totally honest about those feelings without being labeled SICK, so there you have it.

OBVIOUSLY NO one can stop 'you', "dontaskme", labeling "others" SICK, but the EXACT OPPOSITE is ALSO IRREFUTABLY True. So, there you NOW have 'it'.

So I guess I'll just have to keep pretending that I am not sick. I'll just keep wearing that fake smile.

WHY would 'you' be SO PRETENTIOUS, and keep FAKING things.

Maybe this is partly the reason WHY 'you' have NOT found thee True answers of 'things', YET.

Have 'you' considered THAT?

[Age]

just because some 'thing' is NOT visible to the human eyes, this does NOT then mean that that 'thing' is or has to be 'non-material', as CLAIMED in your writings.

find for me, in this...

If all the particles in the universe, including those that make up the brain and body, possess no consciousness, no understanding, no comprehension of meaning, no freedom, then how can those particles give birth to understanding and freedom? There must be another factor, and it would have to be non-material.

...any mention of visibility, age

There is NONE. But what has that got to do with ANY thing that I was POINTING OUT and SHOWING here?

Free will or freedom, like understanding, and like thoughts, are INVISIBLE things, but this in itself does NOT mean that freedom NOR understanding are 'non-material', which is what you are 'trying' SO VERY HARD to CLAIM here.

I am just STATING that because freedom and understanding can NOT be experienced, NOR seen, as 'particles in the Universe' this in itself does NOT mean that freedom and understanding HAVE TO BE non-material. How could this MOST SIMPLEST of concepts NOT YET be UNDERSTOOD, by you?

I ONLY mentioned the 'visible' word to make it KNOWN that I was conferring with you that freedom and understanding can NOT be seen, by the human eyes, as physical particles of matter. And that was all, for now anyway.

[Age]

And, who and/or what is 'me', EXACTLY?

Henry Quirk: the guy who is pokin' out the response you're readin' this very second.

Here we have a GREAT EXAMPLE of HOW and WHY these human beings had STILL NOT YET worked out and understood who NOR what they ARE, EXACTLY. They would ONLY LOOK AT 'things' from a VERY SHALLOW or short-sighted perspective so there responses, like evidenced here, were EXTREMELY superficial, to say the least.

[Age]

How would you KNOW if you are, supposedly, ignoring them AND NOT going to read them snyway?

I've read them...too many of them...that's how I know they give me a headache...and that's why I won't read 'em any more

keep 'em short: I'll read and respond

write long: I'll ignore 'em

PERFECT, I now have ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of what NOT to do, and HOW and WHY the human beings, in the days when this was being written, were SO SLOW to LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and SEE thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.

[Age]

ANY one reading what you wrote can CLEARLY SEE that ACTUALLY you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA AT ALL.

Well, there you go. Why waste your time commenting on, "no idea at all?"

To POINT OUT to the readers what is Wrong, and what NOT to do.

[Age]

It is not possible.

Here is ANOTHER one who EXPLAINS EXACTLY the reason WHY they are BLIND and can NOT YET SEE what thee ACTUAL Truth IS here.

Oh bother!

This one was SO 'self-centered' a human being it ACTUALLY BELIEVED that it was NOT possible for them to be wrong or incorrect.

Which, OBVIOUSLY, speaks VOLUMES for itself, and about "its" own 'self'.

[Age]

The two are VERY FIFFERENT 'things ...

If you say so. Out of curiosity is, "very fifferent," different from just plain old vanilla, "fifferent?"

You are a bother, but at least you are entertaining.

I use One INCORRECT letter, and this is the ONLY thing you choose to POINT OUT that is WRONG in what I write and say here.

Maybe this is because you can NOT POINT OUT ANY other ACTUAL thing Wrong in what I say, state, and CLAIM here. But if they is ALL you have got, then so be it.

Also, I am only a 'bother', to you, because I PROVE, IRREFUTABLY, WHERE and WHY you are Wrong in what you write, say, and CLAIM here.

[henry quirk]

Free will or freedom, like understanding, and like thoughts, are INVISIBLE things, but this in itself does NOT mean that freedom NOR understanding are 'non-material'

sure, invisibility doesn't mean immateriality, but that's not the assertion made by Rappoport

this is the assertion...

If all the particles in the universe, including those that make up the brain and body, possess no consciousness, no understanding, no comprehension of meaning, no freedom, then how can those particles give birth to understanding and freedom? There must be another factor, and it would have to be non-material.

[Dontaskme]

..............

Age just so you know, I answered all your responses with my own responses, but I think I must have taken too long because when I submitted all of my replies to you, nothing showed up, it seems I was timed out, so all that I had so carefully written to you was lost. It was annoying to say the least, I'm disappointed,because I cannot be bothered to rewrite everything again, that's when life for me, can get very tedious.

Anyway, in a simple short answer to all your responses to me, yes, I would rather have not been born ever.

In other words, if I already knew what being alive would be like before I was born, I would not choose to be alive, ever.
It would be a thanks, but no thanks for me.

That's why I talk about there being nothing that is alive or dead, the idea that there is a something that is born and can die is the illusion I talk about. The illusion is real enough, and that to me is the problem, real for who? I have absolutely no idea, because if I knew, I wouldn't wish this illusion on my worst enemy.

Anyway, so as not to derail this free will thread any further, we can discuss my wish to have not been born on your own thread the one you created ...

Here ... viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34118

Is that ok with you Age?

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[RCSaunders]

Also, I am only a 'bother', to you, because I PROVE, IRREFUTABLY, WHERE and WHY you are Wrong in what you write, say, and CLAIM here.

No, you are like a mosquito who's meaningless buzzing irritates and needs an occasional swatting. Otherwise, you don't really matter.

Have nice new year!

[Dontaskme]

Free will or freedom, like understanding, and like thoughts, are INVISIBLE things, but this in itself does NOT mean that freedom NOR understanding are 'non-material'

sure, invisibility doesn't mean immateriality, but that's not the assertion made by Rappoport

this is the assertion...

If all the particles in the universe, including those that make up the brain and body, possess no consciousness, no understanding, no comprehension of meaning, no freedom, then how can those particles give birth to understanding and freedom? There must be another factor, and it would have to be non-material.

Good assertion, but the answer to the how question is unknowable, else the question would be known once and for all, but the question of how is still being asked, and that by my logic means no one knows how...and so the main question is, will the how question ever be known? and how will it be known?...see the dilemma Henry? Can knowing how we are alive ever be taken to our our grave... we cannot know that even...there comes a time when we just have to admit to ourselves we really do not know nothing at all...except what we imagine metaphorically speaking.

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