What does the word 'time' mean or refer to, to you?seeds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:49 amWhat's to stop it from continuously moving forward (again, in the "ideal" sense) from the point (or frame of reference) where (as mentioned above) the universe ceases to exist?bahman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:39 pmDoes time change? Moreover, what is your justification for time being continuous?seeds wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:26 pm
You haven't illustrated (or demonstrated) anything that my argument about time doesn't refute.
Sure, matter (at the quantum level) may indeed move in discrete increments.
However, if you could somehow remove all matter from the universe to the point where the universe no longer existed, time (in the "ideal" sense) would still be moving forward (continuously) from the point where the universe ceased to exist.
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Since BEFORE that bang ALL things are ACTUALLY in continuous motion, besides Facts, which are ALWAYS 'constantly' True, Right, Accurate, and/or Correct.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:25 amNotebahman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:40 pm To move, it must not be at now at the current location and then be at the next instance at another point. But something cannot be and not be at the same instance, now (it exists at now and must not exist in order to move). Therefore, continuous motion is impossible.As with the above, something can still be and not be at the same instance [time] and it is not a contradiction.Wiki wrote:In logic, the law of non-contradiction (LNC) (also known as the law of contradiction, principle of non-contradiction (PNC), or the principle of contradiction) states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e. g. the two propositions "p is the case" and "p is not the case" are mutually exclusive.
To be a contradiction, it must not be at the same time.
For example a cluster of H20 can be both hard and soft at the same time but cannot be both in the same sense as a liquid, steam, ice, snow, vapors, shot at high speed, etc.
Continuous motion is possible when something is pushed in a vacuum like in space where there is nothing to stop it.
Since the Big Bang, all things are supposedly in continuous motion.
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Time changes. Change cannot be continuous (OP). Therefore, time changes discretely.seeds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:49 amWhat's to stop it from continuously moving forward (again, in the "ideal" sense) from the point (or frame of reference) where (as mentioned above) the universe ceases to exist?bahman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:39 pmDoes time change? Moreover, what is your justification for time being continuous?seeds wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:26 pm
You haven't illustrated (or demonstrated) anything that my argument about time doesn't refute.
Sure, matter (at the quantum level) may indeed move in discrete increments.
However, if you could somehow remove all matter from the universe to the point where the universe no longer existed, time (in the "ideal" sense) would still be moving forward (continuously) from the point where the universe ceased to exist.
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By the same instant, I mean the same time.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:25 amNotebahman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:40 pm To move, it must not be at now at the current location and then be at the next instance at another point. But something cannot be and not be at the same instance, now (it exists at now and must not exist in order to move). Therefore, continuous motion is impossible.As with the above, something can still be and not be at the same instance [time] and it is not a contradiction.Wiki wrote:In logic, the law of non-contradiction (LNC) (also known as the law of contradiction, principle of non-contradiction (PNC), or the principle of contradiction) states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e. g. the two propositions "p is the case" and "p is not the case" are mutually exclusive.
To be a contradiction, it must not be at the same time.
For example a cluster of H20 can be both hard and soft at the same time but cannot be both in the same sense as a liquid, steam, ice, snow, vapors, shot at high speed, etc.
Continuous motion is possible when something is pushed in a vacuum like in space where there is nothing to stop it.
Since the Big Bang, all things are supposedly in continuous motion.
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Why?Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:55 pmNo, you are wrong.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:40 pm To move, it must not be at now at the current location and then be at the next instance at another point. But something cannot be and not be at the same instance, now (it exists at now and must not exist in order to move). Therefore, continuous motion is impossible.
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That something cannot exist and exist not at the same instant which this required for continuous motion.Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:57 pmYou are talking about 'what', supposed, 'contradiction' at 'now'?bahman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:48 pmTrue, but I am talking about a contradiction at now.Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:44 pm at the next point in time, what was is no longer the object of reference
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The open-minded bahman would notice that he is being countered by a number of truth-speakers and adjust his thinking accordingly.
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Where did I adjust myself?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:10 pm The open-minded bahman would notice that he is being countered by a number of truth-speakers and adjust his thinking accordingly.
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You would if you were open to others’ way of thinking.bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:17 pmWhere did I adjust myself?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:10 pm The open-minded bahman would notice that he is being countered by a number of truth-speakers and adjust his thinking accordingly.
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I am open. The problem is that some of the others are close.commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:22 pmYou would if you were open to others’ way of thinking.bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:17 pmWhere did I adjust myself?commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:10 pm The open-minded bahman would notice that he is being countered by a number of truth-speakers and adjust his thinking accordingly.
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Imagine time as being a train moving smoothly along the tracks.bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:19 pmTime changes. Change cannot be continuous (OP). Therefore, time changes discretely.
Now just because a stationary observer can say "now" it is in position (a), and the next "now" instance it has changed and is in position (b), doesn't negate the fact that it was smoothly and continuously moving along the tracks as it transitioned from point (a) to point (b).
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Do you understand OP? If yes what? Since what you said has no relation with OP.seeds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:54 pmImagine time as being a train moving smoothly along the tracks.
Now just because a stationary observer can say "now" it is in position (a), and the next "now" instance it has changed and is in position (b), doesn't negate the fact that it was smoothly and continuously moving along the tracks as it transitioned from point (a) to point (b).
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What do you mean it has no relation with the OP?bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:07 pmDo you understand OP? If yes what? Since what you said has no relation with OP.seeds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:54 pmImagine time as being a train moving smoothly along the tracks.
Now just because a stationary observer can say "now" it is in position (a), and the next "now" instance it has changed and is in position (b), doesn't negate the fact that it was smoothly and continuously moving along the tracks as it transitioned from point (a) to point (b).
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You stated in the OP that "...continuous motion is impossible...", to which I am using the example of time itself to counter that assertion.
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What I am trying to say in OP is not what you are saying. That is true that the position of an object changes when it is in motion. But that is not the whole point. The point is that the object should not exist at now in order to exist at a later time at another point. The object in another hand exists at now which this leads to a contradiction.seeds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:21 pmWhat do you mean it has no relation with the OP?bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:07 pmDo you understand OP? If yes what? Since what you said has no relation with OP.seeds wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:54 pm
Imagine time as being a train moving smoothly along the tracks.
Now just because a stationary observer can say "now" it is in position (a), and the next "now" instance it has changed and is in position (b), doesn't negate the fact that it was smoothly and continuously moving along the tracks as it transitioned from point (a) to point (b).
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You stated in the OP that "...continuous motion is impossible...", to which I am using the example of time itself to counter that assertion.
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If you are open, you should be able to restate the argument(s) that they are trying to use to discredit what you are saying. Try to do that, in order to find out how open you are.