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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:41 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:29 am
What that he says there isn't obviously true? Why is Biden importing so many people, and paying them a whole lot more free money than anybody ever pays Americans? Have you got a different theory?
It's happening anywhere that people consider to be a better option than staying in their own crappy countries. That's just humans. Unfortunately these days it's not exactly the cream of the crop who are emigrating in very large numbers.
Well, it's a mixed lot, for sure. As you say, so are humans.

But why would a government drop a national border, cease to require even basic procedures of immigration, -- or even a health check -- and pay for people of all kinds to flood the borders? It seems quite evident that the only advantage to having no criteria at all is to get as many Democrat-supporting people into the country as fast as they can...and when you couple that with the Democrat demand that voters should not even have to show I.D., you've got a pretty clear pattern to show that the effect is likely to be the undermining of the vote.
Interesting that it's only 'certain' countries where the people are ordered to 'embrace diversity' (which is another meaningless buzzphrase, designed to shut people up). How 'diverse' are Japan or China? Why aren't they being told this?
Heh. Right. Because they wouldn't listen. They don't have to.
Here it's for cheap labour.
True story: I went to visit California, to stay with one of my friends, and ardent Democrat voter. His peers all live in mansions. Not one of them, though, doesn't have nannies, service workers and gardeners that have "informally immigrated." I wonder why....

Every morning, you can see the crowds of men standing outside the Home Depot store, waiting for various construction-type or fruit-picking operations to pick them up in trucks and take them to be cheap, uncontracted, ununionized labour for the day. And every one of the rich Hollywood types keeps his money in offshore accounts to avoid the California tax rates.

These are the rich Lefties of California. This is how they roll. And anybody who lives there can tell you the same facts. And they sure do love to vote Democrat.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:00 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:29 am
What that he says there isn't obviously true? Why is Biden importing so many people, and paying them a whole lot more free money than anybody ever pays Americans? Have you got a different theory?
What is your evidence about this "whole lot more free money"?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-admi ... 1635447591
https://news.yahoo.com/reported-biden-p ... 02205.html
https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/joe-biden ... n-payouts/
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:12 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:00 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:29 am
What that he says there isn't obviously true? Why is Biden importing so many people, and paying them a whole lot more free money than anybody ever pays Americans? Have you got a different theory?
What is your evidence about this "whole lot more free money"?
https://news.yahoo.com/reported-biden-p ... 02205.html
That's a legal settlement to avoid going to court and losing, thus paying a much larger amount. I mean, these people had their children stolen, you should expect to lose any civil rights case if you have done that.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:10 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:41 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:29 am
What that he says there isn't obviously true? Why is Biden importing so many people, and paying them a whole lot more free money than anybody ever pays Americans? Have you got a different theory?
It's happening anywhere that people consider to be a better option than staying in their own crappy countries. That's just humans. Unfortunately these days it's not exactly the cream of the crop who are emigrating in very large numbers.
Well, it's a mixed lot, for sure. As you say, so are humans.

But why would a government drop a national border, cease to require even basic procedures of immigration, -- or even a health check -- and pay for people of all kinds to flood the borders? It seems quite evident that the only advantage to having no criteria at all is to get as many Democrat-supporting people into the country as fast as they can...and when you couple that with the Democrat demand that voters should not even have to show I.D., you've got a pretty clear pattern to show that the effect is likely to be the undermining of the vote.
Interesting that it's only 'certain' countries where the people are ordered to 'embrace diversity' (which is another meaningless buzzphrase, designed to shut people up). How 'diverse' are Japan or China? Why aren't they being told this?
Heh. Right. Because they wouldn't listen. They don't have to.
Here it's for cheap labour.
True story: I went to visit California, to stay with one of my friends, and ardent Democrat voter. His peers all live in mansions. Not one of them, though, doesn't have nannies, service workers and gardeners that have "informally immigrated." I wonder why....

Every morning, you can see the crowds of men standing outside the Home Depot store, waiting for various construction-type or fruit-picking operations to pick them up in trucks and take them to be cheap, uncontracted, ununionized labour for the day. And every one of the rich Hollywood types keeps his money in offshore accounts to avoid the California tax rates.

These are the rich Lefties of California. This is how they roll. And anybody who lives there can tell you the same facts. And they sure do love to vote Democrat.
It's more complicated than that. Here, it was the neo-liberal govt. (in power for a decade) that threw the doors wide open and gave all the public housing to cheap-labour immigrants. None of the homeless here a are immigrants.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:19 am I mean, these people had their children stolen, you should expect to lose any civil rights case if you have done that.
No, they did not. Their children were not "stolen." That's nonsense.

The adults came in illegally, breaking the law by so doing. And when people do that, the very first thing a responsible law officer does is separate the children from the adults who have instructed them to identify them as their "parents," and find out if they really are "parents," or unrelated migrants, or coyotes and pimps trafficking in children. If you don't do that, you are handing children over to the pretenders, exploiters, pimps and pedophiles.

Do you really advocate putting children in "general population" in incarceration? :shock:
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:21 am None of the homeless here a are immigrants.
Oh, the story I told you happened long before the recent influx of homeless folks.

It's much worse now. My friends down there tell me stories of needles and faeces in the streets, homeless camps under every overpass, and drug users overdosing in the parks. That's a whole new ballgame...and you're right: the recent homeless there are not immigrants, but addicted, shiftless or mentally-ill people drawn to Cali by the promise of lax laws, weak law-enforcement, and of course, the survivable climate.

But the rich, Leftist Cali set wants us to think they're humane, moral and immigrant-friendly. But the borders they want open are the borders to other states; and the taxes they want paid are yours, not theirs. And as for the current homeless, they're not happy about that, but they can't figure out how to fix it.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:25 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:19 am I mean, these people had their children stolen, you should expect to lose any civil rights case if you have done that.
No, they did not. Their children were not "stolen." That's nonsense.

The adults came in illegally, breaking the law by so doing. And when people do that, the very first thing a responsible law officer does is separate the children from the adults who have instructed them to identify them as their "parents," and find out if they really are "parents," or unrelated migrants, or coyotes and pimps trafficking in children. If you don't do that, you are handing children over to the pretenders, exploiters, pimps and pedophiles.

Do you really advocate putting children in "general population" in incarceration? :shock:
So in order for this to back up tucker Carlson in the way you suggest it does, Biden should have retained the family seperation policy so that he can keep giving all this free money to incentivise illegal immigration. But he stopped that policy. So there must be some new pot of "free money" he's handing out that replaces it?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:34 am Biden should have retained the family seperation policy...
Your question is "Should unidentified children be separated from lawbreaking, adult "handlers'?

And the answer is, "Of course."

And there is no grounds for any lawsuit...at least, not in any just system. The "handlers" were breaking the law. And lawbreakers should not be allowed to do anything they plan to do with vulnerable minors.

Or are you in favour of child trafficking?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:24 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:39 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:50 pm It's fascinating that there are only two constituencies keeping the idea of "race" viable at all. One would be the extreme Right, which is absurdly small and has practically zero influence on the public anyway; the other, and the one that has influence, is the CRT crowd, the extreme Left, which is large, political, media-backed and powerful in key areas like education and governance.

If it would seem that if it were not for the Wokies, the whole idea of "race" would soon be dead...as it should be.
What about the Great Replacement Theory?
Nobody believes it today. You're talking about something so old, dead and minority-plausible that it's not even worth mentioning, except as a historical oddity. If that theory had any currency today, maybe it would be worth debunking, too.

But CRT is the current empowerer of racism. So we should probably focus on the one that's currently viable, not on historical oddities that no longer are.
This is what my question is about.

You wrote that GRT isn't relevant because nobody believes it. But you believe it, you are defending it as something you consider an obvious truth. So you knew when you wrote the above that you believe in the great replacement theory.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:51 am You wrote that GRT isn't relevant because nobody believes it.
No, I said that the "right wing" isn't a threat because nobody believes in it. GRT isn't even a thing. As VT pointed out, and you ignored, there's no "theory" there, except the label the Left has invented. It's a way of excusing the strategy the Dems are obviously using to try to undermine American democracy.

I asked you what else you thought they were doing? They're fighting for all three of a) open borders, b) benefits for illegals, and c) no voter ID laws. What's your answer? What are they doing, if not trying to pad their vote count?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:00 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:51 am You wrote that GRT isn't relevant because nobody believes it.
No, I said that the "right wing" isn't a threat because nobody believes in it. GRT isn't even a thing. As VT pointed out, and you ignored, there's no "theory" there, except the label the Left has invented. It's a way of excusing the strategy the Dems are obviously using to try to undermine American democracy.

I asked you what else you thought they were doing? They're fighting for all three of a) open borders, b) benefits for illegals, and c) no voter ID laws. What's your answer? What are they doing, if not trying to pad their vote count?
So you do believe in the theory that THE LEFT wants to import brown people to replace white people.

You just don't like it being a theory with a name.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:00 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:51 am You wrote that GRT isn't relevant because nobody believes it.
No, I said that the "right wing" isn't a threat because nobody believes in it. GRT isn't even a thing. As VT pointed out, and you ignored, there's no "theory" there, except the label the Left has invented. It's a way of excusing the strategy the Dems are obviously using to try to undermine American democracy.

I asked you what else you thought they were doing? They're fighting for all three of a) open borders, b) benefits for illegals, and c) no voter ID laws. What's your answer? What are they doing, if not trying to pad their vote count?
Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if this so-called 'GRT' is something concocted by the woke to (again) silence anyone who disagrees with them.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:12 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:00 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:51 am You wrote that GRT isn't relevant because nobody believes it.
No, I said that the "right wing" isn't a threat because nobody believes in it. GRT isn't even a thing. As VT pointed out, and you ignored, there's no "theory" there, except the label the Left has invented. It's a way of excusing the strategy the Dems are obviously using to try to undermine American democracy.

I asked you what else you thought they were doing? They're fighting for all three of a) open borders, b) benefits for illegals, and c) no voter ID laws. What's your answer? What are they doing, if not trying to pad their vote count?
So you do believe in the theory that THE LEFT wants to import brown people to replace white people.

You just don't like it being a theory with a name.
You are such a racist prik. I don't know how you can stand being in the same room as yourself.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:12 am So you do believe in the theory that THE LEFT wants to import brown people to replace white people.
Brown and white has nothing to do with it at all. Citizen and non-citizen is the issue.

The most obvious explanation for no idenity cards, no citizenship, and benefits given to these folks seems to be that Biden appears to want new illegals to pad his vote count.

We both know he's doing that. So if it's not to pad the vote count, what's your theory for why he's doing it? I've asked you three times: you can't seem to think of any other reasonable explanation...

So it appears you believe it too.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:18 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:12 am So you do believe in the theory that THE LEFT wants to import brown people to replace white people.
Brown and white has nothing to do with it at all. Citizen and non-citizen is the issue.

The most obvious explanation for no idenity cards, no citizenship, and benefits given to these folks seems to be that Biden appears to want new illegals to pad his vote count.

We both know he's doing that. So if it's not to pad the vote count, what's your theory for why he's doing it? I've asked you three times: you can't seem to think of any other reasonable explanation...

So it appears you believe it too.
We don't know he's doing any such thing. You are welcome to provide evidence if you have any. I'm not entirely sure what you are claiming though. Illegals have never been issued identity cards in the USA that I know of irrespective of who the president happens to be at the time. Without such cards, I don't know what benefits they are able to claim. So it makes sense at most for you to complain about one of those two things, but to complain about both seems contradictory.

So far you are selling great replacement theory while politely avoiding mention of the browness of the people who you feel are there to replace you. But otherwise it's the same conspiracy theory that David Duke has been peddling for decades. This leaves significant doubt that your claim GRT has no influence today is accurate.
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