Christianity

[Dontaskme]

You have ignored that I defined nature as all that is the case. "

Obviously I did not. Look above. I saw exactly what you said. It just made no sense.

It makes no sense because nature being all that is the case there is no supernature sitting up on high making plans.

IC doesn't get it Belinda..he's totally drawn in hook line and sinker, transfixed soley upon the dream world of distraction, and cannot see the transitory illusory nature of all conceptually known things.

You'll just go round and round in circles wasting your time with someone like IC

I used to be a member of a Nondual Forum, called ''Nobody Home'' and there was this girl on there who openly admitted that after years and years of mentally trying to process nonduality, through self inquiry and endless reading of thousands and thousands of books, that after all her striving and effort to understand nonduality, she still did not GET IT.

Some do, others won't, and that's all there is to it...IC is one of those who won't. That's perfectly clear.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, people will only believe what they want to believe, and all would be right, perfect and just the way is it. So nothing lost, nothing gained. Philosophy is a worn out record.

[Sculptor]

We can CLEARLY SEE and UNDERSTAND that you have CONCLUDED and BELIEVE that it is an IMPOSSIBILITY that God could exist and you have NOT managed to be at all OPEN to even just consider that this might be false, either.

I AM NOT SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I NEVER said you were. And, I am NOT shouting either, as I have explained MANY times previously.

I am just POINTING OUT that BOTH of you have NOT been considering that BOTH of your BELIEFS are False.

I DON'T HAVE ANY BELIEFS.

[Dontaskme]

I DON'T HAVE ANY BELIEFS.

[owl of Minerva]

Sculptor wrote:

“I DON’T HAVE ANY BELIEFS.’’

Good idea. You do not believe that you do not believe. That is is a good counterbalance to the fundamentalists and dogmatists.

[Immanuel Can]

The FACT that the universe has absolutely no purpose or meaning, other than to just simply be, for no reason at all, is terrifying to someone like you IC

Funny...I don't feel at all terrified. I think it's Nihilistic nonsense...perhaps that's why.

You also ignore my posts because you cannot compute that reality is absolutely nonsensical

No, I ignore them because so much of what you post is just drama.

Your purported "insights" to my thoughts are rather far afield, I must say. But perhaps all that's just more striking-of-a-pose and attempting to crank out a line or two, and somehow to provoke a response...more drama, in other words.

No, thank you.

[Dontaskme]

Funny...I don't feel at all terrified. I think it's Nihilistic nonsense...perhaps that's why.

Nihilism is just another human idea, and you are terrified of the idea.

No, I ignore them because so much of what you post is just drama.

Oh really, as though what you post about worshipping an invisible non-existent sky daddy is supposed to make MORE sense. Hmm, ok, yeah that makes perfect sense.

Your purported "insights" to my thoughts are rather far afield, I must say. But perhaps all that's just more striking-of-a-pose and attempting to crank out a line or two, and somehow to provoke a response...more drama, in other words.

No, thank you.

And Your purported "insights" to my thoughts are rather far afield, I must say as well.

But it never occurs to you that your own prose is also an attempt to provoke responses. Newsflash, when you worship and prey to yourself, that's all you will hear, your own echo back at you...who else do you think you are worshipping?

And the reason the human animal worships itself, is because it loves the sound of it's own voice inside it's imagination.

So yeah, let the drama begin. How's your part going for you? still acting the role of a real pro, are you...

Check-mate.

[Immanuel Can]

Funny...I don't feel at all terrified. I think it's Nihilistic nonsense...perhaps that's why.

...you are terrified of the idea.

Now, that's funny.

Carry on. You will anyway.

[Dontaskme]

Funny...I don't feel at all terrified. I think it's Nihilistic nonsense...perhaps that's why.

...you are terrified of the idea.

Now, that's funny.

Carry on. You will anyway.

Talking to yourself again. I know you love the sound of your own echo.

So yeah, hilarious.

Why be clueless, why not just get on board the driverless train, pretending you are the driver. You are not in control ok

.... fantasy tripper.

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[Dontaskme]

Sculptor wrote:

“I DON’T HAVE ANY BELIEFS.’’

Good idea. You do not believe that you do not believe. That is is a good counterbalance to the fundamentalists and dogmatists.

There is no ''BELIEVER'' ..you dumb crazy idiot.

[henry quirk]

DAM,

I must be one of those incapable of gettin' it. This...

The apparent appearance that there is an objective reality independent of you, is real insofar as an object doesn't have any agency to know it exists, so the object is always dependant upon it's creator to be known. ''The dependancy'' of the object to have autonomy is always controlled by you the subject, the object is always of the subject as a concept known. There has to be an interdependancy between subject and object for reality to make sense....a phenomena known as subject and object interfacing.

What that implies, is that every object which is just a concept known, is a direct appearance within the only knowing there is which is consciousness. Consciousness being just another word for God. This is a metaphysical answer. Reality is in fact metaphysical in nature, it is beyond, or for want of a better word, transcendent of all thought and experience, which are transient appearances of God.

On another note: referring back to what you mentioned about the novelist and it's story existing independent of one another....this is true only in the illusory sense of the meaning of the word ''separation''
The novelists 'work' committed to ''words'' have never left the creator to live an independent existence apart from the creator, simply because the totality of reality is seamlessly undivided. All that was, is and ever will be created will forever be appearances within the creator - appearances can never be anywhere else other than already couched within their creator. Creator and Creation are one reality, not two.

Reality cannot be cut in two, in the same context, *a knife cannot cut itself. Duality is all there is. Non-dual is identical to duality, just as a mirror reflection is identical to the mirror itself.

...is gobbledegook to me.

*The knife (an object) in the hand of the man (an agent) can cut the bread loaf (an object). There are three, not one. God (the agent) creates Reality (a big box), and all things (objects) and persons (agents) within Reality. There is many, not one.

[henry quirk]

I'm sorry Henry. I've read your post three times now and still have no idea what you are talking about. If you don't want to answer my question, that's fine. You don't have to explain yourself to me, or anyone else--I was truly curious. But don't have to make excuses, bringing up totally irrelevant hypothetical question (which seem very bizarre to me). Are these the kind of things you spend your time worrying about?

You don't have to answer that question either.

You poked in to that other thread, askin' questions, which I answered (and I asked one of mine). You never responded, to my answers or my question. Can't see much point in answering your questions here, when you'll just abandon the conversation ss you did there.

*How awful I am. **I'm chagrined. ***You could just ask the question again, or link to the original, or just forget it. It's up to you.

*nah, you're just a salesman

**doubtful

***I did ask again; the link is embedded and accessible thru the little ↑.

[henry quirk]

owl,

The novelist is not the novel, the photo is not the photographer and the sculpture is not the sculptor because the novelist, the photographer and the sculptor are not omnipresent, one of the attributes ascribed to divinity, along with omniscience and omnipotence.

Are you sayin' becuz God is omnipresent (not sumthin' I necessarily attribute to God, by the way [there's nuthin' in my deism that sez God is everywhere]) He has no choice but to be one with Creation? Being also all-knowing and all-powerful (two other attributes I don't necessarily ascribe to God), it seems to me God can choose to be where He likes.


People create from something.

Yes. We, being finite, must scrounge for our materials. God, being God, it seems to me, can call into being any material He likes.


De Sade’s bodily fluids is an interesting example of something someone has by proxy.

I'm not sure what you mean by proxy. As I reckon it: The film's De Sade was his own. but his will was blunted by his enemies. He was stripped of the materials he used to create. Ingeniously, he literally made use of his own substance to set his thoughts down, to give those thoughts an independence.

[owl of Minerva]

owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:56 pm
Sculptor wrote:

“I DON’T HAVE ANY BELIEFS.’’

Good idea. You do not believe that you do not believe. That is is a good counterbalance to the fundamentalists and dogmatists.
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Dontaskme wrote:


There is no ''BELIEVER'' ..you dumb crazy idiot.

owl of Minerva response:

Really? How interesting. Who would have thought that there are more knowers than believers. A novel idea for sure.

[Immanuel Can]

owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:56 pm
Sculptor wrote:

“I DON’T HAVE ANY BELIEFS.’’

Good idea. You do not believe that you do not believe. That is is a good counterbalance to the fundamentalists and dogmatists.
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Dontaskme wrote:


There is no ''BELIEVER'' ..you dumb crazy idiot.

owl of Minerva response:

Really? How interesting. Who would have thought that there are more knowers than believers. A novel idea for sure.

I believe I know they are both going to be very unhappy with you.

[Belinda]

Obviously I did not. Look above. I saw exactly what you said. It just made no sense.

It makes no sense because nature being all that is the case there is no supernature sitting up on high making plans.

Then what you said is merely anthropomorphic language or Nature-worship. For "nature" if we mean merely, "stuff" has no plans, no wishes, no intentions, no purposes, and no meanings, or anything else in the mind it doesn't have.

True, we can't worship all that is the case. Worship implies worship of something that is not everything else. Each man worship selected particular things. The trouble with the Christian myth is it's usually interpreted as if God is at the top of a power hierarchy. I mean a power hierarchy like the father of a tribal family. Mankind has become more individualistic now.