An Answer to the problem of "Choice or Determinism"

[bahman]

Well that could NEVER happen. At the subatomic level there is ALWAYS a force being exerted. Just like there is ALWAYS a force being exerted at the above atomic (or classical) level, ALSO.


Sorry I meant 'had'.


Yes.


Again, you are NOT looking from ALL perspectives.

The cup of tea can NOT stay on the table, without moving in ANY regime.

By the way, when did you mention " classical 'regime' "?



I know what it is, from my perspective.

What is 'classical regime', from your perspective?


Okay.


Is the 'your' word a possessive noun, to you?

If no, then what is it, to you?

But if yes, then ONCE AGAIN, how could one be 'what they own/possess'?

I am talking about the macroscopic level when the total force exerted on an object is zero. Example of your body or cup of tea on your table.

LOL

Does the earth move, or is it still, to you?

If it is the former, to you, then ALL human bodies and ALL cups of tea are ALSO moving. So, there is a force being exerted on ALL of those objects.

However, if it is the latter, to you, then I suggest OPENING UP your view of things.

When I say that the cup does not move, I mean relative to the table/earth.

[Age]

I am talking about the macroscopic level when the total force exerted on an object is zero. Example of your body or cup of tea on your table.

LOL

Does the earth move, or is it still, to you?

If it is the former, to you, then ALL human bodies and ALL cups of tea are ALSO moving. So, there is a force being exerted on ALL of those objects.

However, if it is the latter, to you, then I suggest OPENING UP your view of things.

When I say that the cup does not move, I mean relative to the table/earth.

OF COURSE that is what you have been meaning. This has been OBVIOUS, to me, all along.

And, because absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, when you have these very small and narrowed views of things this is WHY you are NOT seeing thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

All you are seeing is 'that', which fits in with your ALREADY obtained and held onto views or BELIEFS.

There is NO moment when the TOTAL force exerted on an object is zero. You only thought or BELIEVED this to be true because you were only looking from a very narrowed and small field of view.

Now, back to your CLAIM that when there are 'options' is when there is no motion, and the Fact there is ALWAYS motion would mean, to you, there are NEVER 'options', correct?

[bahman]

LOL

Does the earth move, or is it still, to you?

If it is the former, to you, then ALL human bodies and ALL cups of tea are ALSO moving. So, there is a force being exerted on ALL of those objects.

However, if it is the latter, to you, then I suggest OPENING UP your view of things.

When I say that the cup does not move, I mean relative to the table/earth.

OF COURSE that is what you have been meaning. This has been OBVIOUS, to me, all along.

And, because absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, when you have these very small and narrowed views of things this is WHY you are NOT seeing thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

All you are seeing is 'that', which fits in with your ALREADY obtained and held onto views or BELIEFS.

There is NO moment when the TOTAL force exerted on an object is zero. You only thought or BELIEVED this to be true because you were only looking from a very narrowed and small field of view.

Now, back to your CLAIM that when there are 'options' is when there is no motion, and the Fact there is ALWAYS motion would mean, to you, there are NEVER 'options', correct?

You are not making any sense anymore. Have you ever had options in your life?

[Age]

When I say that the cup does not move, I mean relative to the table/earth.

OF COURSE that is what you have been meaning. This has been OBVIOUS, to me, all along.

And, because absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, when you have these very small and narrowed views of things this is WHY you are NOT seeing thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

All you are seeing is 'that', which fits in with your ALREADY obtained and held onto views or BELIEFS.

There is NO moment when the TOTAL force exerted on an object is zero. You only thought or BELIEVED this to be true because you were only looking from a very narrowed and small field of view.

Now, back to your CLAIM that when there are 'options' is when there is no motion, and the Fact there is ALWAYS motion would mean, to you, there are NEVER 'options', correct?

You are not making any sense anymore.

I have made and am making sense. I have just PROVEN that what you CLAIMED was true was NOT true AT ALL. So, to you, this does not make any sense because it goes completely against what you BELIEVE is true.

Have you ever had options in your life?

The EXACT SAME answer applies here now as it did last time I answered you.

[bahman]

OF COURSE that is what you have been meaning. This has been OBVIOUS, to me, all along.

And, because absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, when you have these very small and narrowed views of things this is WHY you are NOT seeing thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

All you are seeing is 'that', which fits in with your ALREADY obtained and held onto views or BELIEFS.

There is NO moment when the TOTAL force exerted on an object is zero. You only thought or BELIEVED this to be true because you were only looking from a very narrowed and small field of view.

Now, back to your CLAIM that when there are 'options' is when there is no motion, and the Fact there is ALWAYS motion would mean, to you, there are NEVER 'options', correct?

You are not making any sense anymore.

I have made and am making sense. I have just PROVEN that what you CLAIMED was true was NOT true AT ALL. So, to you, this does not make any sense because it goes completely against what you BELIEVE is true.

Have you ever had options in your life?

The EXACT SAME answer applies here now as it did last time I answered you.

Have you ever had options in your life? Yes or no? What is the option in your opinion?

[Age]

You are not making any sense anymore.

I have made and am making sense. I have just PROVEN that what you CLAIMED was true was NOT true AT ALL. So, to you, this does not make any sense because it goes completely against what you BELIEVE is true.

Have you ever had options in your life?

The EXACT SAME answer applies here now as it did last time I answered you.

Have you ever had options in your life? Yes or no?

Yes, AGAIN.

What is the option in your opinion?

Without reference, 'What is 'the' option?', is not correctly answerable.

LOOK, ALL physical matter is determined by past events. Due to past events physical matter has evolved and formed into the shape known as 'human'. Humans evolved with the function of 'choice'. Human beings have options, from which to choose from, and really this is just this simple.

[bahman]

I have made and am making sense. I have just PROVEN that what you CLAIMED was true was NOT true AT ALL. So, to you, this does not make any sense because it goes completely against what you BELIEVE is true.



The EXACT SAME answer applies here now as it did last time I answered you.

Have you ever had options in your life? Yes or no?

Yes, AGAIN.

What is the option in your opinion?

Without reference, 'What is 'the' option?', is not correctly answerable.

LOOK, ALL physical matter is determined by past events. Due to past events physical matter has evolved and formed into the shape known as 'human'. Humans evolved with the function of 'choice'. Human beings have options, from which to choose from, and really this is just this simple.

The question is how you could have options in a deterministic system when the future is determined uniquely from the past.

[Belinda]

Have you ever had options in your life? Yes or no?

Yes, AGAIN.

What is the option in your opinion?

Without reference, 'What is 'the' option?', is not correctly answerable.

LOOK, ALL physical matter is determined by past events. Due to past events physical matter has evolved and formed into the shape known as 'human'. Humans evolved with the function of 'choice'. Human beings have options, from which to choose from, and really this is just this simple.

The question is how you could have options in a deterministic system when the future is determined uniquely from the past.

You have options, choices, because you don't know everything that has happened, and in addition you don't know all the laws of nature. In other words, determinism doesn't imply prediction.

[bahman]

Yes, AGAIN.


Without reference, 'What is 'the' option?', is not correctly answerable.

LOOK, ALL physical matter is determined by past events. Due to past events physical matter has evolved and formed into the shape known as 'human'. Humans evolved with the function of 'choice'. Human beings have options, from which to choose from, and really this is just this simple.

The question is how you could have options in a deterministic system when the future is determined uniquely from the past.

You have options, choices, because you don't know everything that has happened, and in addition you don't know all the laws of nature. In other words, determinism doesn't imply prediction.

My point is that if the universe behaves deterministically then one state of affair defines another state of affair and only one. Therefore, it seems that you don't have options since to have options you need two available reachable states of affair.

[Belinda]

The question is how you could have options in a deterministic system when the future is determined uniquely from the past.

You have options, choices, because you don't know everything that has happened, and in addition you don't know all the laws of nature. In other words, determinism doesn't imply prediction.

My point is that if the universe behaves deterministically then one state of affair defines another state of affair and only one. Therefore, it seems that you don't have options since to have options you need two available reachable states of affair.

But we poor men do not know entire states of affairs, so we can't accurately predict.

Options involve guesswork. Intelligent guesswork yes, but still guesswork.

[Age]

Have you ever had options in your life? Yes or no?

Yes, AGAIN.

What is the option in your opinion?

Without reference, 'What is 'the' option?', is not correctly answerable.

LOOK, ALL physical matter is determined by past events. Due to past events physical matter has evolved and formed into the shape known as 'human'. Humans evolved with the function of 'choice'. Human beings have options, from which to choose from, and really this is just this simple.

The question is how you could have options in a deterministic system when the future is determined uniquely from the past.

When you find out what 'the future holds', as they say, and HOW it comes about, then you will UNDERSTAND FULLY HOW and WHY 'you' have options.

[Age]

The question is how you could have options in a deterministic system when the future is determined uniquely from the past.

You have options, choices, because you don't know everything that has happened, and in addition you don't know all the laws of nature. In other words, determinism doesn't imply prediction.

My point is that if the universe behaves deterministically then one state of affair defines another state of affair and only one. Therefore, it seems that you don't have options since to have options you need two available reachable states of affair.

What you are 'trying to' say/question is not about 'options' but rather about the 'choice/s' that get made.

[bahman]

You have options, choices, because you don't know everything that has happened, and in addition you don't know all the laws of nature. In other words, determinism doesn't imply prediction.

My point is that if the universe behaves deterministically then one state of affair defines another state of affair and only one. Therefore, it seems that you don't have options since to have options you need two available reachable states of affair.

But we poor men do not know entire states of affairs, so we can't accurately predict.

Options involve guesswork. Intelligent guesswork yes, but still guesswork.

The point is that there is a state of affairs at any given time and this state of affairs only changes to another state of affairs and only one. To have options you obviously need to have two reachable states of affairs which are against determinism which tells you that the past define the future or in other words, one state of affairs only changes to one state of affair.

[bahman]

Yes, AGAIN.


Without reference, 'What is 'the' option?', is not correctly answerable.

LOOK, ALL physical matter is determined by past events. Due to past events physical matter has evolved and formed into the shape known as 'human'. Humans evolved with the function of 'choice'. Human beings have options, from which to choose from, and really this is just this simple.

The question is how you could have options in a deterministic system when the future is determined uniquely from the past.

When you find out what 'the future holds', as they say, and HOW it comes about, then you will UNDERSTAND FULLY HOW and WHY 'you' have options.

Do you mind explaining how you could have options when the future is uniquely determined by the past?

[bahman]

You have options, choices, because you don't know everything that has happened, and in addition you don't know all the laws of nature. In other words, determinism doesn't imply prediction.

My point is that if the universe behaves deterministically then one state of affair defines another state of affair and only one. Therefore, it seems that you don't have options since to have options you need two available reachable states of affair.

What you are 'trying to' say/question is not about 'options' but rather about the 'choice/s' that get made.

No, I am talking about options.