The Left Destroys EVERYTHING It Touches

[henry quirk]

But how come you can not counter what I am saying and POINTING OUT?

I have. Your head is just too alien to get it.

Let me demonstrate...

You ask: So, what is permissible to do to those who do NOT follow YOUR view of 'morality'?

Let's see what you would do.

Remember, this...

A man belongs to himself.

A man's life, liberty, and property are his.

A man's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property.

...is my morality.

Let's make it yours.

Age belongs to himself.

Age's life, liberty, and property are his.

Age's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property.

With all that in mind, answer, if you will, the following clarifying questions...

If someone kills you for no good reason (you haven't threatened them in any way) what should happen to the killer?

If you killed someone for no good reason (they hadn't threatened you in any way) what should happen to the you?

If someone takes you, confines you, forces you to be a servant, what should happen to the slaver?

If you take someone, confine then, force them to be a servant, what should happen to you?

If someone steals your computer, what should happen to the thief?

If you steal someone's computer, what should happen to you?

I'll check your answers in the morning.

I believe in you, buddy! You can do this!

Also: if there are any clarifying questions you feel I haven't addressed, put 'em all in one post, one after the other, and I'll address 'em as best I can.

[henry quirk]

the so-called "united states of america" is one of the biggest slave places on earth.

Nope. China is.

[henry quirk]

So, what would you believe you have the 'right' to do, and what would you do, if someone comes into your home and touches what you call "your own"?

What I'll do depends on circumstances.

For example...

I have you over for coffee. We share a cup, make with small talk, then you say your goodbyes and head for the door. You carry with you the mug, my mug, that I served you coffee in. I'm gonna, politely, ask for my mug before you leave. What happens next depends on what you do. If you hand over my mug, nuthin' happens. If you refuse, well, I'm gettin' my mug back, one way or another, unless you can give me a good reason why I ought to let you keep it.

But...

If, at 3am, for example, you enter my home, without permission, I will assume you're up to no good. I'll tell you, from a distance, I have a gun, it's loaded, I will shoot you if come near me or my kid, and if you think you're leavin' my house with any if our property, think again...leave now, as you came, if you know what's good for you. What happens next depends on what you do. If you leave, empty-handed, then you live, I call the cops, and -- the next day -- plug the hole in my home's security. If you advance on my kid or myself, or try to leave with our property: I'll shoot you, then call the cops.

Please, try hard to understand what I've written. Show me you have some human in you.

[Age]

But how come you can not counter what I am saying and POINTING OUT?

I have.

WHERE have you, SUPPOSEDLY, done this?

Your refusal to respond and provide WHERE provides PROOF of what thee ACTUAL Truth IS.

Your head is just too alien to get it.

LOL

Let me demonstrate...

You ask: So, what is permissible to do to those who do NOT follow YOUR view of 'morality'?

Let's see what you would do.

WHY would you say such an OBVIOUSLY ABSURD and RIDICULOUS thing as, "Let's see what you would do".

What I would ACTUALLY do only I KNOW. So, you can NOT tell NOR show what I would do. Can you comprehend and understand this Fact?

Remember, this...

A man belongs to himself.

A man's life, liberty, and property are his.

A man's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property.

...is my morality.

ANOTHER ATTEMPT at DETRACTION and DEFLECTION.

Let's make it yours.

Age belongs to himself.

Age's life, liberty, and property are his.

Age's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property.

With all that in mind, answer, if you will, the following clarifying questions...

If someone kills you for no good reason (you haven't threatened them in any way) what should happen to the killer?

They be QUESTIONED OPENLY and Honestly, with ABSOLUTELY NO fear of punishment NOR judgement applied AT ALL, towards GAINING FULL UNDERSTANDING of WHY they did that.

And then the information GAINED used to PREVENT "others" from doing the same thing, while supporting that one to better "them self" while living among and in a loving community.

If you killed someone for no good reason (they hadn't threatened you in any way) what should happen to the you?

But I would NOT kill someone for no good reason.

If someone takes you, confines you, forces you to be a servant, what should happen to the slaver?

The EXACT SAME as above.

If you take someone, confine then, force them to be a servant, what should happen to you?

But I would NOT do this.

If someone steals your computer, what should happen to the thief?

The EXACT SAME as the last two.

If you steal someone's computer, what should happen to you?

But WHY did I steal someone's computer?

I'll check your answers in the morning.

Okay.

But you STILL have NOT YET countered what I have been saying and POINTING OUT.

You are, ONCE AGAIN, just 'trying to' DEFLECT AWAY from what I have been saying and POINTING OUT.

I believe in you, buddy! You can do this!

You could not 'try' to be MORE CONDESCENDING even if you wanted to be.

Also, noted is that, unlike you, I actually ANSWER your QUESTIONS.

Also: if there are any clarifying questions you feel I haven't addressed, put 'em all in one post, one after the other, and I'll address 'em as best I can.

Okay. But how will you KNOW which post I put them ALL in?

Also, what happens if I have clarifying questions AFTER that post? Will you address them as well?

Furthermore, there are way to many clarifying questions that I KNOW you have NOT addressed to put in just one post.

[Age]

the so-called "united states of america" is one of the biggest slave places on earth.

Nope. China is.

Did you REALLY MISS the 'one' word above?

Or, maybe you are just NOT YET able to comprehend the way I write.

[uwot]

In a FIAT system, creating inflation only benefits those who have initial access to the money...

Ah, so capitalism is a bad idea?

[Age]

So, what would you believe you have the 'right' to do, and what would you do, if someone comes into your home and touches what you call "your own"?

What I'll do depends on circumstances.

For example...

I have you over for coffee. We share a cup, make with small talk, then you say your goodbyes and head for the door. You carry with you the mug, my mug, that I served you coffee in. I'm gonna, politely, ask for my mug before you leave. What happens next depends on what you do. If you hand over my mug, nuthin' happens. If you refuse, well, I'm gettin' my mug back, one way or another, unless you can give me a good reason why I ought to let you keep it.

So, you WOULD deprive my life, liberty, or property over a coffee mug, correct?

But...

If, at 3am, for example, you enter my home, without permission, I will assume you're up to no good.

WHY would you ASSUME such a thing?

Do you NOT have the ability to GAIN CLARIFICATION, BEFORE you MAKE AN ASSUMPTION?

I'll tell you, from a distance, I have a gun, it's loaded, I will shoot you if come near me or my kid, and if you think you're leavin' my house with any if our property, think again...leave now, as you came, if you know what's good for you.

What happens next depends on what you do. If you leave, empty-handed, then you live, I call the cops, and -- the next day -- plug the hole in my home's security. If you advance on my kid or myself, or try to leave with our property: I'll shoot you, then call the cops.

Okay. So, exactly as I said previously, this is EXACTLY what you would do, Which, by the way, you were CLAIMING, you did not.

Please, try hard to understand what I've written. Show me you have some human in you.

How would you like me to respond to this?

For your information, I just wanted you to REPEAT what you have previously said. You have done that now. So, thank you.

You BELIEVE that you have some sort of "right" to forfeit the life, liberty, or property of "others" when you see fit, JUST LIKE EVERY other human being BELIEVES they have the 'right' to do what they see is fit.

The 'problem', or CONTRADICTION, here however is that you do NOT have 'right' to forfeit "another's" life, liberty, nor property just because you have made up your OWN (rule of) morality.

If a human's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property, then, in the days when this is being written, EVERY adult human beings life could be forfeited, in whole. That is; according to this so-called "logic" of yours here.

Also, you have been and are continually depriving "others" of their life, liberty, and property, without just cause, so WHY do you NOT stop this "yourself".

Furthermore, if you shoot me or ANY one "else" dead, just because we took a mug or just because we were standing in a building is NOT a just cause. So, according to your "logic" ANY one "else" could forfeit your life, in whole, and they would have "just cause", correct?

If yes, then okay.

But if no, then WHY NOT?

[henry quirk]

So, you WOULD deprive my life, liberty, or property over a coffee mug, correct?

You? Nah. I'd just slap you around a little.

If, at 3am, for example, you enter my home, without permission, I will assume you're up to no good.

WHY would you ASSUME such a thing?

Why else would wanna enter my home at 3am, without permission? Mebbe you're comin' for my mug: I already told ya no, age.


Do you NOT have the ability to GAIN CLARIFICATION, BEFORE you MAKE AN ASSUMPTION?

Yeah, you've never had a break in, right?


Okay. So, exactly as I said previously, this is EXACTLY what you would do, Which, by the way, you were CLAIMING, you did not.

It's not the same at all. In one, you have me shootin' folks, willy-nilly; in the other, I give you time to self-correct before I cut loose with buckshot.


You BELIEVE that you have some sort of "right" to forfeit the life, liberty, or property of "others" when you see fit, JUST LIKE EVERY other human being BELIEVES they have the 'right' to do what they see is fit.

Nope. And you're usin' forfeit wrong.


The 'problem', or CONTRADICTION, here however is that you do NOT have 'right' to forfeit "another's" life, liberty, nor property just because you have made up your OWN (rule of) morality.

The problem here, your problem, is you think, or mebbe just feel, I'm supposed to value you more than I value my coffee mug. I don't.


If a human's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property, then, in the days when this is being written, EVERY adult human beings life could be forfeited, in whole. That is; according to this so-called "logic" of yours here.

Nope. As aside, what does in part or whole mean to you?


Also, you have been and are continually depriving "others" of their life, liberty, and property, without just cause, so WHY do you NOT stop this "yourself".

The rumors of my moral violations are exaggerated...I wasn't there...I don't know nuthin' about no Maltese Falcon.


Furthermore, if you shoot me or ANY one "else" dead, just because we took a mug or just because we were standing in a building is NOT a just cause. So, according to your "logic" ANY one "else" could forfeit your life, in whole, and they would have "just cause", correct?

If I'm invited in, offered the mug as a gift, then I ought not be shot. If I break in, take the mug, then I ought be shot.

As aside: where do you hang your hat, age? I got Christmas shoppin' to do and, with your lax attitude about property, your place is soundin' pretty wal-mart right now.

[henry quirk]

In a FIAT system, creating inflation only benefits those who have initial access to the money...

Ah, so capitalism is a bad idea?

Inflation is only possible thru phony-baloney scrip. Scrip is not integral to capitalism.

[henry quirk]

the so-called "united states of america" is one of the biggest slave places on earth.

Nope. China is.

Did you REALLY MISS the 'one' word above?

Or, maybe you are just NOT YET able to comprehend the way I write.

No, I got it. To clarify: America is not one of the biggest slave places on Earth (cuz America isn't a slaver state). China is one of the biggest slave places on earth (cuz China is a slaver state).

[henry quirk]

WHERE have you, SUPPOSEDLY, done this?

I'm puttin' together a fully annotated directory of all relevant posts, just for you. Won't take long. You could hold your breath while waitin'.


WHY would you say such an OBVIOUSLY ABSURD and RIDICULOUS thing as, "Let's see what you would do".

That's what humans do. To work toward accord, or highlight difference. How do folks on your world do it?


ANOTHER ATTEMPT at DETRACTION and DEFLECTION.

Nah, just tryin' for acccord. Obviously, I get a big fat F on my Xeno-culture exam.


They be QUESTIONED OPENLY and Honestly, with ABSOLUTELY NO fear of punishment NOR judgement applied AT ALL, towards GAINING FULL UNDERSTANDING of WHY they did that.

Why did you kill that fine, upstandin' xeno?

Meh, it was sport.

Well, okay then you're free to go.


But I would NOT kill someone for no good reason.

Nether would I.


But WHY did I steal someone's computer?

I don't know, age: why would you steal someone's computer? What drove you to such depravity? Were you deprived as a child? Did mummy not treat you well? Tell me. I'm your friend. I want to help. What deep soul-void are you hopin' to fill thru thievery?


You could not 'try' to be MORE CONDESCENDING even if you wanted to be.

Wanna bet?


Also, noted is that, unlike you, I actually ANSWER your QUESTIONS.

You've done your best, I'm sure.


Okay. But how will you KNOW which post I put them ALL in?

One thread labeled, Questions for Quirk ought to do it.


Also, what happens if I have clarifying questions AFTER that post? Will you address them as well?

Oh, sure. Just add 'em to the Questions for Quirk thread,


Furthermore, there are way to many clarifying questions that I KNOW you have NOT addressed to put in just one post.

Then you best get to postin'. Sounds like a major project.

[RCSaunders]

If someone kills you for no good reason (you haven't threatened them in any way) what should happen to the killer?

How did you ever get into a situation where someone was able to, "kill you for no good reason?" Your failure to protect yourself is at least half the problem.

I have no idea what you think, "should happen," to the one who killed you, but I suspect it will some form of, "revenge," as though killing the killer would bring you back to life. Since when do two wrongs make a right?

And who decides it was, "for no good reason," just because you think you are not a threat to someone else? Most Christians who want to pass laws that will prevent others from living as they choose don't think they are a threat to others.

And when you decided, "what should be done," to someone who has killed you, who is going to do it?

How about, just don't ever let yourself be killed by someone else for, "no good reason?" If you can't do that, perhaps you don't deserve to live. There is no principle that says you should live, no matter what.

Why is it, people who claim to love freedom cannot imagine being free without using threats of force against others, and being too cowardly to do it themselves, embrace some government proxy to do the forcing of others for them?

[henry quirk]

How did you ever get into a situation where someone was able to, "kill you for no good reason?" Your failure to protect yourself is at least half the problem.

Shit happens. Ain't nuthin' full-proof.


I have no idea what you think, "should happen," to the one who killed you, but I suspect it will some form of, "revenge," as though killing the killer would bring you back to life. Since when do two wrongs make a right?

He ought to die. Revenge, justice: call it what you like. Just a murder, no biggie, right?


And who decides it was, "for no good reason," just because you think you are not a threat to someone else? Most Christians who want to pass laws that will prevent others from living as they choose don't think they are a threat to others.

I gave the framework up-thread: tell me where it fails. Take that up with the christians.


And when you decided, "what should be done," to someone who has killed you, who is going to do it?

My proxy.


How about, just don't ever let yourself be killed by someone else for, "no good reason?" If you can't do that, perhaps you don't deserve to live. There is no principle that says you shouldy live, no matter what.

I'm tryin'. My failure to self-defend means I deserve to die? Yeah, there is.


Why is it, people who claim to love freedom cannot imagine being free without using threats of force against others, and being too cowardly to do it themselves, embrace some government proxy to do the forcing of others for them?

Cuz not everyone loves my freedom and life as much as I do. Come at me with ill intent, bub: I'll show you cowardice. I didn't bring up gov as the first on the list, go-to, necessity.

Mebbe you wanna read my posts again.

[henry quirk]

RC,

After a mornin' of tradin' on the black & gray markets you come home to find your wife dead. Her throat is slashed open as is her belly. Your house is ransacked. It's obvious this ain't suicide.

What do you?

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