Death Penalty

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You get the likes of Henry and RC Saunders who have rigidly locked themselves into their own little ideology without a thought for the logistics or how it could be implemented in a practical way. There are only endless vague references to 'freedom'.

[Sculptor]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-58671588


This has to stop.

Killing people will not make this stop.
She would not have wanted it, as her surviving family do not want that either.
Why would you want to cover her dead hands in the blood of YOUR vengeance?

[RCSaunders]

You get the likes of Henry and RC Saunders who have rigidly locked themselves into their own little ideology ...

Which ideology would that be? What I don't believe.

... without a thought for the logistics or how it could be implemented in a practical way. There are only endless vague references to 'freedom'.

I certainly do not promote freedom since almost no one wants to be free and in fact would be terrified of actually having to be free and totally responsible for their own lives.

You are right about me, but I think you are wrong about Henry. He does have a kind of, "limited government," view (or did when he was still around).

I do not have a, "strategy," and certianly no "ideology" (except for those principles by which I live my own life and deal with others) because I'm not a meddler and have no interest in making a society or others fit some ideology of my own. You and others who are bent on making a society one you would like it to be, which necessarily requires meddling and interfering in others lives, need a, "strategy," or, "agenda."

I'm not interested in changing anyone else or making society or others different. I'm not at war with anyone, or even anyone else's ideology. What logistics does one need for living successfully in this world without harming anyone else?

[Vitruvius]

Killing people will not make this stop.
She would not have wanted it, as her surviving family do not want that either.
Why would you want to cover her dead hands in the blood of YOUR vengeance?

She did want things at one time. She doesn't want anything anymore. She's dead, and there's another, and another, and another - when do we say this is unacceptable? It's not about what the family wants. It's about what's good for society. It's about deterrent. It's also about the £50,000 per year to keep trash locked up - and the danger they pose to society when released, and forever after. It's about the money not spent on housing, schools, roads, hospitals - spent instead on feeding, clothing, housing, heating, entertaining - people who have committed crimes that are inhuman in character. Crimes the disregard and grossly violate the human rights of others. Why should they have a right to life? When they could be swinging in Parliament Square as a statement: We look after our people. Instead, we look after child molesters, rapists and killers. It's wrong.

[Walker]

I'm 'leIft' and I'm certainly not a relativist. I detest PC and relativism, which tend to go hand in hand. Would you like me to refer to you as 'nazi', since nazism is right wing, therefore all 'conservatives' must be nazis?

After reading this I googled Leftism and relativism, along with Leftism and Nazis.

Got a number of hits for each pair supporting the assertions that Nazis were Leftists, and Leftists are moral relativists.

Looks like both are debatable topics, and not settled science ... so your assertions have existing falsifications on record, which means your case has to be made.

I’ve noticed that Leftists often call anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi, at least they did before they started calling everyone who disagrees with them, a Racist. So, perhaps that's one of those wishes come true through repetition, since they disagree with the Right so often.

[Walker]

When you write something I can understand I'll reply to it. It's like you are that post modernism jargon generator.

Wiki says about post-modernism:

“It questions or criticizes viewpoints associated with Enlightenment rationality dating back to the 17th century, and is characterized by irony, eclecticism, and its rejection of the "universal validity" of binary oppositions, stable identity, hierarchy, and categorization. Postmodernism is associated with relativism and a focus on ideology in the maintenance of economic and political power.”

This does not apply at all to what I write. The US Constitution, which I advocate, is a product of The Age of Enlightenment. Also, I do not advocate relativism.

I think this is rather apparent in what I write, and in fact it's Leftists (which I'm not) who are relativists, and btw, motivated by the failed ideology of Marxism.

Either Wiki is wrong about post-modernism, or you are.

Perhaps it's just a phrase you heard and don't really understand, much as you don't understand what I write. There are also many texts on various topics, including philosophy, that you may wish to avoid, as they can also be densely worded and difficult to understand.

I may be wrong about you Walker - I'm quite happy to admit that; but you could write more clearly - as you have done here. You surely must admit that was a horribly tortured sentence - one could easily, if mistakenly - attribute to post modern, politically correct neo marxism. For me, philosophy is not about obscurantist jargon, but about saying complicated things simply. That's the real skill a philosopher should seek to develop. IMO. Post modernism is the exact opposite - they seek to say simple things in complicated ways, because when you say it simply, it's obviously tosh! Anyhow, I'm sorry if you're offended and/or that I offended you, but please spare me the linguistic gymnastics.

Your sorriness for offending is offensive.

Still waiting for some relevant response to the many topics I dangled, 'cause I long ago lost interest in your repeated focus of interest, which is all about how I write.

Come join in Sixland and make a pair. It is beneath so many, perhaps not you. How confusing can six words be?

Come join in e-prime, you will be surprised what the discipline reveals in the doing, rather than the analysis.

[Vitruvius]

Your sorriness for offending is offensive.

Still waiting for some relevant response to the many topics I dangled, 'cause I long ago lost interest in your repeated focus of interest, which is all about how I write.

Come join in Sixland and make a pair. It is beneath so many, perhaps not you. How confusing can six words be?

Come join in e-prime, you will be surprised what the discipline reveals in the doing, rather than the analysis.

Fuck off you nutter!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I'm 'leIft' and I'm certainly not a relativist. I detest PC and relativism, which tend to go hand in hand. Would you like me to refer to you as 'nazi', since nazism is right wing, therefore all 'conservatives' must be nazis?

After reading this I googled Leftism and relativism, along with Leftism and Nazis.

Got a number of hits for each pair supporting the assertions that Nazis were Leftists, and Leftists are moral relativists.

Looks like both are debatable topics, and not settled science ... so your assertions have existing falsifications on record, which means your case has to be made.

I’ve noticed that Leftists often call anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi, at least they did before they started calling everyone who disagrees with them, a Racist. So, perhaps that's one of those wishes come true through repetition, since they disagree with the Right so often.

FFS. Do you know anything about Nazism? They classified themselves as NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, with the word 'socialist' only being used to attract the working-man's vote. Hitler loathed communism. The Nazis were the very epitome of extreme 'right wing'. Stay out of politics then, because it's really beyond your capabilities. You really are a stupid and uneducated little creep who manages to pull the wool over gullible eyes.

[Walker]

Your sorriness for offending is offensive.

Still waiting for some relevant response to the many topics I dangled, 'cause I long ago lost interest in your repeated focus of interest, which is all about how I write.

Come join in Sixland and make a pair. It is beneath so many, perhaps not you. How confusing can six words be?

Come join in e-prime, you will be surprised what the discipline reveals in the doing, rather than the analysis.

Fuck off you nutter!

Sigh.

I didn't intend to insult, although I suspect you did.

I was being open and honest with you, in my way.

That's okay. You had to say that, based on what you know of the world.

I'm not insulted, and hold nothing against you for it.

My wish is that you return to the words you don't understand, or mistake in tone, no matter the source, since contemplation in the spirit of temple can span not only minutes, but decades.

I think a dialogue, saying what you mean in six words, would be a lot of fun and also serve to distill essence.

You may add to your advices concerning philosophy that the purpose of philosophy is not a knee-jerk trying to pass as thought.

[Walker]

I'm 'leIft' and I'm certainly not a relativist. I detest PC and relativism, which tend to go hand in hand. Would you like me to refer to you as 'nazi', since nazism is right wing, therefore all 'conservatives' must be nazis?

After reading this I googled Leftism and relativism, along with Leftism and Nazis.

Got a number of hits for each pair supporting the assertions that Nazis were Leftists, and Leftists are moral relativists.

Looks like both are debatable topics, and not settled science ... so your assertions have existing falsifications on record, which means your case has to be made.

I’ve noticed that Leftists often call anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi, at least they did before they started calling everyone who disagrees with them, a Racist. So, perhaps that's one of those wishes come true through repetition, since they disagree with the Right so often.

FFS. Do you know anything about Nazism? They classified themselves as NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, with the word 'socialist' only being used to attract the working-man's vote. Hitler loathed communism. The Nazis were the very epitome of 'right wing'. Stay out of politics then, because it's really beyond your capabilities. You really are a stupid and uneducated little creep who manages to pull the wool over gullible eyes.

Well, that's a good start for making your case ... 'cepting for the ending, which rather detracts.

Not here to debate it, that's for sure, although I do know that Nazism is a death cult. Death wish for discussion, hmmm, see the relevance to Leftism?

Just advising you that better minds than yours have asserted other than what you assert, regarding your initial taxonomization and heirarchical ordering of definitions.

Of that you certain* can agree, eh?


Bad grammar, death wish to discussion, mean and nasty thoughts ... detractors but, in this situation and in your case, quite funny! I know because my first response was to burst out laughing.

[Vitruvius]

Your sorriness for offending is offensive.

Still waiting for some relevant response to the many topics I dangled, 'cause I long ago lost interest in your repeated focus of interest, which is all about how I write.

Come join in Sixland and make a pair. It is beneath so many, perhaps not you. How confusing can six words be?

Come join in e-prime, you will be surprised what the discipline reveals in the doing, rather than the analysis.

Fuck off you nutter!

Sigh.

I didn't intend to insult, although I suspect you did.

I was being open and honest with you, in my way.

That's okay. You had to say that, based on what you know of the world.

I'm not insulted, and hold nothing against you for it.

My wish is that you return to the words you don't understand, or mistake in tone, no matter the source, since contemplation in the spirit of temple can span not only minutes, but decades.

I think a dialogue, saying what you mean in six words, would be a lot of fun and also serve to distill essence.

You may add to your advices concerning philosophy that the purpose of philosophy is not a knee-jerk trying to pass as thought.

Please leave me alone - we are not intellectually compatible. I'm not here to have fun, and I resent those using this as a chat forum. Have you not heard of twitter? Go have fun there.

[Walker]

You've obviously not heard of Fun Philosophy, and have no wish to know of it, cause the knowing requires doing.

Nor do know of e-prime writing.

I've never participated in the Twitter, although I've heard of it, and I know that President Trump put it on the map ... unintended consequences.

So, you're left to manage without me.

[Vitruvius]

You've obviously not heard of Fun Philosophy, and have no wish to know of it, cause the knowing requires doing.

This thread is about the death penalty. That's what I'm doing. It's not what you're doing. Go away!

[Walker]

I know. I've offered much about the penalty of death, to which you haven't responded other than, death to my participation.

I can repost, if you're lazy to go back and read.

[Vitruvius]

I know. I've offered much about the penalty of death, to which you haven't responded other than, death to my participation.
I can repost, if you're lazy to go back and read.

I couldn't understand what you said because it was written in horribly tortured sentences. I told you that, apologized if I'd upset you, and you spat that back in my face. Suggested I address the issues you dangled in your horribly tortured post I told you, I can't read can read and make sense of. Then you said you want to have fun instead. You're mental - go away!