Puberty blockers - no parental consent.

[Sculptor]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58598186

I fully support this decision of the court and reject the rather hysterical and shrill spin that you put on it, which utterly mis represents the article.

It shows that smarter heads prevail in the UK than in the US on this matter.
I can' think of anything more important that allowing the RECIPIENT of the treatment to have a say in what is going on.

I have a question. If the person who is receiving the treatment wants to revert back to their original gender in the future, can they do so without detrimental effects?

This question simply does not arise.
In the case of puberty blockers - they just delay the onset of secondary sexual characteristics. They stop little boys and girls becoming little men and women. These work to delay, not change, whilst the individual can make decisions about their final chosen gender, at a greater age.
So they do NOT produce a differnt gender than the biological one they were born with.
As far as I know gender reassignment is NOT reversible, that is why puberty blockers were invented.

[mickthinks]

I have a question. If the person who is receiving the treatment wants to revert back to their original gender in the future, can they do so without detrimental effects?

This question simply does not arise.
In the case of puberty blockers - they just delay the onset of secondary sexual characteristics. They stop little boys and girls becoming little men and women. These work to delay, not change, whilst the individual can make decisions about their final chosen gender, at a greater age.
So they do NOT produce a differnt gender than the biological one they were born with.
As far as I know gender reassignment is NOT reversible, that is why puberty blockers were invented.

And don't forget, the alternative to supportive interventions for children with GD is often suicide. Can a child who has killed themself revert back to their original life without detrimental effects? No, they can't.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I have a question. If the person who is receiving the treatment wants to revert back to their original gender in the future, can they do so without detrimental effects?

This question simply does not arise.
In the case of puberty blockers - they just delay the onset of secondary sexual characteristics. They stop little boys and girls becoming little men and women. These work to delay, not change, whilst the individual can make decisions about their final chosen gender, at a greater age.
So they do NOT produce a differnt gender than the biological one they were born with.
As far as I know gender reassignment is NOT reversible, that is why puberty blockers were invented.

And don't forget, the alternative to supportive interventions for children with GD is often suicide. Can a child who has killed themself revert back to their original life without detrimental effects? No, they can't.

Nice blackmail attempt. This comment is a PC bucket of woke excrement. 'Themself'. Oh how cute

[Sculptor]

I have a question. If the person who is receiving the treatment wants to revert back to their original gender in the future, can they do so without detrimental effects?

This question simply does not arise.
In the case of puberty blockers - they just delay the onset of secondary sexual characteristics. They stop little boys and girls becoming little men and women. These work to delay, not change, whilst the individual can make decisions about their final chosen gender, at a greater age.
So they do NOT produce a differnt gender than the biological one they were born with.
As far as I know gender reassignment is NOT reversible, that is why puberty blockers were invented.

And don't forget, the alternative to supportive interventions for children with GD is often suicide. Can a child who has killed themselves revert back to their original life without detrimental effects? No, they can't.

The bigots will disagree, but they are not the one's suffering from gender dysphoria; they are ignorant and respond with ignorance and oppression.
I cannot say what makes them so interested in the lives of others. I prefer to live and let live. If people want to change their bodies, or delay their adolescence then I am happy that they get the chance to do that in the face of hatred of others who are too dull witted to understand.
What's their problem?? Probably personal. We are often brought up in a series of oppressions of the body and spirit, some chose to reject the past and make their own decisions about the world and how they want to live it, whilst others choose to revisit that oppression onto others in the hope that it will make them feel better.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

'Live and let live'. That's hilarious. That's exactly what wokies DON'T do. It's THEIR way or the highway.

Funny that the two nastiest arseholes on here are the wokiest of the woke. It just proves my point that wokie virtue-signallers don't actually care about anyone. I've never been able to work out what really motivates them, but it sure ain't compassion for their fellow humans.

The most unbearable and self-righteous virtue-signallers in the 'real world' are often the most vicious of internet trolls. Perhaps their brain just can't cope with all the phoniness and needs a pressure vent like those contraptions that granny used to make soup in.

I can imagine our own dear PM having a vicious internet alter-ego. All that preaching to 'be kind' and babbling in a language that no one speaks just to be Politically Correct and forcing all children to learn regardless of their own cultural background, while supporting the killing of people in their own countries who have never done her any harm, (apparently there's a difference between dying in your own country and dying in someone else's country, hence the crocodile tears, agonised face, and head scarf) and being so contemptuous of Julian Assange (a genuinely kind person who exposed extremely 'unkind' military atrocities) that she refused to even 'lower' herself to mention his name. Not a lot of genuine 'kindness' there.

Again, for the umpteenth time, if gender is merely a social construct and apparently doesn't exist, then what are surgery and 'puberty blocking' going to achieve exactly? Fuck, if this whole chaotic mess comes across as confusing and deeply unscientific to me, then what do people think it's doing to children's developing brains?

[Vitruvius]

What you are saying is because racism and sexism exist, you can be racist and sexist too.

No, I am saying that "I accept that racism and sexism exist" does not address the question; In what sense do you feel that a pyramid which has white men at the bottom is "inverted"? That was your choice of words; care to explain it?

This is England! In Saudi Arabia - it's brown people. In China - yellow people. In Africa - black people. This is England - white people. Why men? The biological fate of women; to bear children, is severely disadvantageous to careers that require the 100 hour week kind of dedication, to get to the very top! So white men are naturally "over-represented" - and yet post modernist political correctness attributes that to racism and sexism - and then inverts that imagined identity politics pyramid, to justify discrimination against white men.

Fancy being singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when you've nothing to say

Yeah, that didn't happen. You made it up. You keep doing that. It's not a good look, Vitro.

The incident - at the Labour Party conference, where Neal Ferguson complained that "too many white men are speaking" was reported in the Evening Standard - if I recall correctly. I don't think it's fake news, but if it is - it's believable because it's typical.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

What you are saying is because racism and sexism exist, you can be racist and sexist too.

No, I am saying that "I accept that racism and sexism exist" does not address the question; In what sense do you feel that a pyramid which has white men at the bottom is "inverted"? That was your choice of words; care to explain it?

This is England! In Saudi Arabia - it's brown people. In China - yellow people. In Africa - black people. This is England - white people. Why men? The biological fate of women; to bear children, is severely disadvantageous to careers that require the 100 hour week kind of dedication, to get to the very top! So - white men; and yet post modernist political correctness attributes that to racism and sexism - and then inverts that imagined identity politics pyramid, to justify discrimination against white men.

Fancy being singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when you've nothing to say

Yeah, that didn't happen. You made it up. You keep doing that. It's not a good look, Vitro.

The incident - at the Labour Party conference, where Neal Ferguson complained that "too many white men are speaking" was reported in the Evening Standard - if I recall correctly. I don't think it's fake news, but if it is - it's believable because it's typical.

Exactly. Not too many 'white men' in Japan's parliament.

It has become very fashionable to insult so-called 'white people', especially white men. How about 'inverting the pyramid' and making the same insulting remarks about black people. Imagine the uproar from patronising pea-brained wokie fuckwits.

Apparently this mythical 'typical every-white-male' was born rich and never had to make any effort in his 'privileged little life'. Right. 'White' people are ALL born with silver spoons in their mouths
I heard some woke nonentity the other day making a smarmy comment about 'wealthy western countries'.
Hmm. Don't equate 'well run' with 'rich' you PC turd. India is one of the wealthiest countries. It has loose change to spend on nuclear weapons for fuck sake. Just beause it 'looks poor' doesn't mean it 'is poor'.

[Vitruvius]

What you are saying is because racism and sexism exist, you can be racist and sexist too.

No, I am saying that "I accept that racism and sexism exist" does not address the question; In what sense do you feel that a pyramid which has white men at the bottom is "inverted"? That was your choice of words; care to explain it?

This is England! In Saudi Arabia - it's brown people. In China - yellow people. In Africa - black people. This is England - white people. Why men? The biological fate of women; to bear children, is severely disadvantageous to careers that require the 100 hour week kind of dedication, to get to the very top! So - white men; and yet post modernist political correctness attributes that to racism and sexism - and then inverts that imagined identity politics pyramid, to justify discrimination against white men.

Fancy being singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when you've nothing to say

Yeah, that didn't happen. You made it up. You keep doing that. It's not a good look, Vitro.

The incident - at the Labour Party conference, where Neal Ferguson complained that "too many white men are speaking" was reported in the Evening Standard - if I recall correctly. I don't think it's fake news, but if it is - it's believable because it's typical.

Exactly. Not too many 'white men' in Japan's parliament.

ALOL (actually laughed out loud!)

I love Japan. Interestingly; everyone is Japanese. They do have native ethnic groups; but they do not speak of it. Citizens of Japan are Japanese - end of discussion. And now, they are getting immigration - there are white, brown, black people - who are Japanese. End of.

It has become very fashionable to insult so-called 'white people', especially white men. How about 'inverting the pyramid' and making the same insulting remarks about black people. Imagine the uproar from patronising pea-brained wokie fuckwits.

That would imply the golden rule; and pea brained patronising wokie fuckwits reject that on a philosophical level.

"Common targets of postmodern criticism include universalist ideas of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress."

They believe morality - among other things, is socially constructed to maintain unequal power relations between identity interest groups; everything for them is about pitching one identity interest group against another as a route to political power. That's why they fall in so easily with Neo Marxists.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

What you are saying is because racism and sexism exist, you can be racist and sexist too.

No, I am saying that "I accept that racism and sexism exist" does not address the question; In what sense do you feel that a pyramid which has white men at the bottom is "inverted"? That was your choice of words; care to explain it?

This is England! In Saudi Arabia - it's brown people. In China - yellow people. In Africa - black people. This is England - white people. Why men? The biological fate of women; to bear children, is severely disadvantageous to careers that require the 100 hour week kind of dedication, to get to the very top! So - white men; and yet post modernist political correctness attributes that to racism and sexism - and then inverts that imagined identity politics pyramid, to justify discrimination against white men.

Fancy being singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when you've nothing to say

Yeah, that didn't happen. You made it up. You keep doing that. It's not a good look, Vitro.

The incident - at the Labour Party conference, where Neal Ferguson complained that "too many white men are speaking" was reported in the Evening Standard - if I recall correctly. I don't think it's fake news, but if it is - it's believable because it's typical.

Exactly. Not too many 'white men' in Japan's parliament.

ALOL (actually laughed out loud!)

I love Japan. Interestingly; everyone is Japanese. They do have native ethnic groups; but they do not speak of it. Citizens of Japan are Japanese - end of discussion. And now, they are getting immigration - there are white, brown, black people - who are Japanese. End of.

It has become very fashionable to insult so-called 'white people', especially white men. How about 'inverting the pyramid' and making the same insulting remarks about black people. Imagine the uproar from patronising pea-brained wokie fuckwits.

That would imply the golden rule; and pea brained patronising wokie fuckwits reject that on a philosophical level.

"Common targets of postmodern criticism include universalist ideas of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress."

They believe morality - among other things, is socially constructed to maintain unequal power relations between identity interest groups; everything for them is about pitching one identity interest group against another as a route to political power. That's why they fall in so easily with Neo Marxists.

My father went to Japan in the early 70s and said that people there wouldn't get into a lift with him. They called white people 'red devils' back then lol. I suppose it's closer to the actual colour than 'white' Astonishingly refined culture though.

White wokies feel SO superior to every other colour of human that they are riddled with guilt and self-loathing and have to make atonement by constantly insulting themselves, like those self flagellators in mediaeval times. It's pathetic really.

[Belinda]

What you are saying is because racism and sexism exist, you can be racist and sexist too.

No, I am saying that "I accept that racism and sexism exist" does not address the question; In what sense do you feel that a pyramid which has white men at the bottom is "inverted"? That was your choice of words; care to explain it?

This is England! In Saudi Arabia - it's brown people. In China - yellow people. In Africa - black people. This is England - white people. Why men? The biological fate of women; to bear children, is severely disadvantageous to careers that require the 100 hour week kind of dedication, to get to the very top! So - white men; and yet post modernist political correctness attributes that to racism and sexism - and then inverts that imagined identity politics pyramid, to justify discrimination against white men.

Fancy being singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when you've nothing to say

Yeah, that didn't happen. You made it up. You keep doing that. It's not a good look, Vitro.

The incident - at the Labour Party conference, where Neal Ferguson complained that "too many white men are speaking" was reported in the Evening Standard - if I recall correctly. I don't think it's fake news, but if it is - it's believable because it's typical.

Exactly. Not too many 'white men' in Japan's parliament.

ALOL (actually laughed out loud!)

I love Japan. Interestingly; everyone is Japanese. They do have native ethnic groups; but they do not speak of it. Citizens of Japan are Japanese - end of discussion. And now, they are getting immigration - there are white, brown, black people - who are Japanese. End of.

It has become very fashionable to insult so-called 'white people', especially white men. How about 'inverting the pyramid' and making the same insulting remarks about black people. Imagine the uproar from patronising pea-brained wokie fuckwits.

That would imply the golden rule; and pea brained patronising wokie fuckwits reject that on a philosophical level.

"Common targets of postmodern criticism include universalist ideas of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress."

They believe morality - among other things, is socially constructed to maintain unequal power relations between identity interest groups; everything for them is about pitching one identity interest group against another as a route to political power. That's why they fall in so easily with Neo Marxists.

My father went to Japan in the early 70s and said that people there wouldn't get into a lift with him. They called white people 'red devils' back then lol. I suppose it's closer to the actual colour than 'white' Astonishingly refined culture though.

White wokies feel SO superior to every other colour of human that they are riddled with guilt and self-loathing and have to make atonement by constantly insulting themselves, like those self flagellators in mediaeval times. It's pathetic really.

"Woke" makes your arguments ad hominem.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

ALOL (actually laughed out loud!)

I love Japan. Interestingly; everyone is Japanese. They do have native ethnic groups; but they do not speak of it. Citizens of Japan are Japanese - end of discussion. And now, they are getting immigration - there are white, brown, black people - who are Japanese. End of.




That would imply the golden rule; and pea brained patronising wokie fuckwits reject that on a philosophical level.

"Common targets of postmodern criticism include universalist ideas of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress."

They believe morality - among other things, is socially constructed to maintain unequal power relations between identity interest groups; everything for them is about pitching one identity interest group against another as a route to political power. That's why they fall in so easily with Neo Marxists.

My father went to Japan in the early 70s and said that people there wouldn't get into a lift with him. They called white people 'red devils' back then lol. I suppose it's closer to the actual colour than 'white' Astonishingly refined culture though.

White wokies feel SO superior to every other colour of human that they are riddled with guilt and self-loathing and have to make atonement by constantly insulting themselves, like those self flagellators in mediaeval times. It's pathetic really.

"Woke" makes your arguments ad hominem.

Why? They might take it as a compliment.

[Vitruvius]

What you are saying is because racism and sexism exist, you can be racist and sexist too.

No, I am saying that "I accept that racism and sexism exist" does not address the question; In what sense do you feel that a pyramid which has white men at the bottom is "inverted"? That was your choice of words; care to explain it?

This is England! In Saudi Arabia - it's brown people. In China - yellow people. In Africa - black people. This is England - white people. Why men? The biological fate of women; to bear children, is severely disadvantageous to careers that require the 100 hour week kind of dedication, to get to the very top! So - white men; and yet post modernist political correctness attributes that to racism and sexism - and then inverts that imagined identity politics pyramid, to justify discrimination against white men.

Fancy being singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when you've nothing to say

Yeah, that didn't happen. You made it up. You keep doing that. It's not a good look, Vitro.

The incident - at the Labour Party conference, where Neal Ferguson complained that "too many white men are speaking" was reported in the Evening Standard - if I recall correctly. I don't think it's fake news, but if it is - it's believable because it's typical.

Exactly. Not too many 'white men' in Japan's parliament.

ALOL (actually laughed out loud!)

I love Japan. Interestingly; everyone is Japanese. They do have native ethnic groups; but they do not speak of it. Citizens of Japan are Japanese - end of discussion. And now, they are getting immigration - there are white, brown, black people - who are Japanese. End of.

It has become very fashionable to insult so-called 'white people', especially white men. How about 'inverting the pyramid' and making the same insulting remarks about black people. Imagine the uproar from patronising pea-brained wokie fuckwits.

That would imply the golden rule; and pea brained patronising wokie fuckwits reject that on a philosophical level.

"Common targets of postmodern criticism include universalist ideas of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress."

They believe morality - among other things, is socially constructed to maintain unequal power relations between identity interest groups; everything for them is about pitching one identity interest group against another as a route to political power. That's why they fall in so easily with Neo Marxists.

White wokies feel SO superior to every other colour of human that they are riddled with guilt and self-loathing and have to make atonement by constantly insulting themselves, like those self flagellators in mediaeval times. It's pathetic really.

I think you hit the nail on the head with fashion; because most of them don't understand their own philosophy - they just go along with it; a profoundly dishonest philosophy. For example; slavery was the way of the world since the dawn of time. Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, Ottoman's - all around the world since the dawn of time. Western civilisation developed capitalist economics, that, via Adam Smith - supported individual economic and political freedom - allowing the west, England followed by the US, to end the slave trade.

In their zeal to pitch one identity interest group against another, these post modernist politically correct wokie fuckwits make out like slavery was something white people invented to oppress black people. It's not true. The Muslim slave trade from Africa was 700 years old before the West got involved. And it was black people selling other black people into slavery. The West didn't go out capturing black people. They bought slaves in a world where slavery was, and always had been the way of things - until we changed it.

That's how far from reality these PMPCWF's are; and it's pathetic we don't have the balls to set the record straight, but instead, abase our good selves. It's gone beyond all reason - and to try get back to the subject of the thread, now - for reasons of political correctness would tell children there are 99 genders, and when - as a natural consequence, they develop gender dysphoria, feed them puberty blockers. Without parental consent!

[mickthinks]

So white men are naturally "over-represented" - and yet post modernist political correctness inverts that imagined identity politics pyramid ...

I think you are saying the pyramid isn't real, but if it were real, white men would be at the top and that's okay.

Have I got that right?

The incident - at the Labour Party conference, where Neal Ferguson complained that "too many white men are speaking"...

It was Mark Ferguson, and his complaint was "too many white men putting their hands up", but otherwise your grasp of the details of this story is astounding in its precision.

But you seem to be inferring from Ferguson telling delegates there were too many white men putting their hands up, that one or more people were singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when they had nothing to say. That is not a reasonable inference. I would go so far as to say it is a flagrantly dishonest misreresentation of the incident to which you've referred.

It's not a good look, man.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

And the more woke and 'virtue-signalling' the person, the more horrible they are. It's all very strange...

[Vitruvius]

It was Mark Ferguson, and his complaint was "too many white men putting their hands up", but otherwise your grasp of the details of this story is astounding in its precision.

But you seem to be inferring from Ferguson telling delegates there were too many white men putting their hands up, that one or more people were singled out on the basis of skin colour, forced into the spotlight of a debate when they had nothing to say. That is not a reasonable inference. I would go so far as to say it is a flagrantly dishonest misreresentation of the incident to which you've referred.

It's not a good look, man.

Just to be clear - are you now acknowledging that it did happen? Because until now, you have denied it with scattershot accusations of fake news, and intellectual deficit on my part. And to quote yourself:

That's not good look, man!