Reality is Inaccessible

[simplicity]

And you know the ultimate answer to "why" things happen?

Of course, everybody does. Don't you?

No I don't, please tell what the answer is.

Believe me, when somebody figures it out, we'll all know about it soon after.

The problem is that even the simplest of things is infinitely complex and the human mind simply cannot process such.

Think about it...even the most elementary events is caused by an infinite number of events preceding [which were caused by an infinite number of event preceding those, so on and so forth]. Therefore, it's just not possible to understand anything [very well]. You can perhaps get an inkling, but not much more.

What people do seem to understand is just the currently accepted bullshit which will soon be replaced by the new and improved version. It is only through this type of faulty understanding could people actually think that [for instance] that the government is on their side, or that a corporation actually cares about them, or the million other lies fabricated out of nothing [just like our currency].

Understanding [accepting] the limitations of our intellect is the key to dealing with life.

[Atla]

No ultimate answer, and there I was getting my hopes up.

Believe me, when somebody figures it out, we'll all know about it soon after.

Doubt it, I think it's more likely that only one or a few people will figure it out and will be able to understand it. And then they'll use it, if it can be used.

The problem is that even the simplest of things is infinitely complex and the human mind simply cannot process such.

Think about it...even the most elementary events is caused by an infinite number of events preceding [which were caused by an infinite number of event preceding those, so on and so forth]. Therefore, it's just not possible to understand anything [very well]. You can perhaps get an inkling, but not much more.

What people do seem to understand is just the currently accepted bullshit which will soon be replaced by the new and improved version. It is only through this type of faulty understanding could people actually think that [for instance] that the government is on their side, or that a corporation actually cares about them, or the million other lies fabricated out of nothing [just like our currency].

Understanding [accepting] the limitations of our intellect is the key to dealing with life.

Everyone who knows a little about science, knows that it's a constant work in progress, and that it's instrumentalist.

[DPMartin]

This is where some savants thousands of years ago were enlightened to understand there is no such humanly really real projected reality out there in the first place. Therefrom they dig deep philosophically to cultivate 'detachment' to such an ultimate inaccessible reality to avoid the terrible sufferings in clinging to something that is illusory.

the statement humanly really real projected reality, is a problem, it don't make sense. so you're probably right there is no such thing.

but if one thinks to make a thing or do a thing then does it then that thought is fulfilled, hence becomes reality. but thought requires action that fulfills the thought or the thought isn't reality other then it was thought. or in the case of perception do you see what you think or believe, or do you believe what you see and that's what you think.

There is no absolute reality independent of the human conditions.

"Reality" at the most refined level do not require thought [conscious thinking] at all.
Rather what is most critical to such a reality at its most raw state is immediate direct experience without any thinking about it.

Such a raw state of reality is conditioned by what is inherently preconditioned [DNA, instincts, etc.] within us as human beings. Animals with different preconditions will have a different experienced-reality.
Another point is humans just cannot claimed what they experienced is THE REALITY in the absolute sense.

However, there is another sense of reality whereby the experienced-reality is influenced by what one believes which will modified the preconditions in some way for the better [good] or worst [evil].


There is no absolute reality independent of the human conditions.

lets see, science and religion would disagree with you on that. both agree the universe was before there was mankind, so reality most certainly is with or without humans therefore without human conditions.

so actually your whole premise, if that's what it is, is invalid.

[roydop]

Reality is inaccessible.

By luck and flaw, nature has provided us with a range of sense, that give us impressions or the "real world".

And in a similar way that a painting is an approximation of the scene it attempts to depict, it cannot be the thing in itself.

If we reflect more deeply into the statement, "Reality is inaccessible",
it is actually an impossibility and eternally that we will NEVER ever access that really real reality 'out there'.

As such, what we have is only a humanly-projected-thought-reality where whatever is corresponded to it is questionable.

Just as Russell had asserted 'Perhaps there is no real table at all"
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32814
it is likely there is no such humanly-projected-thought-reality

The philosophical point is humans by default are "programmed" and compelled to think and reasoned out that there must be an ultimate reality [which upon reflection is impossible to be accessed].

Such a default 'program' to reason out an inaccessible and impossible ultimate has its pros and cons.
One of the pros is that thinking of the ultimate do facilitate survival [esp. the earlier primal days] and evolution of the self in driving and striving for further knowledge. It is also therapeutic.

But the cons is that such an empty projected thought of reality leaves room for most to be compelled to reify [making reality out of nothing] it as a Being with consciousness, i.e. God.
Since according to you "Reality is inaccessible" you have no grounds to argue against the claim that God exists as real. So certain theists has a free hand to kill non-believers because their "really-real" God command them to do so while you and your likes remain helpless to counter their claims.

While clinging to an illusory God is therapeutic for the majority it has also brought forth VERY terrible sufferings to humanity and the individuals.

This is where some savants thousands of years ago were enlightened to understand there is no such humanly really real projected reality out there in the first place. Therefrom they dig deep philosophically to cultivate 'detachment' to such an ultimate inaccessible reality to avoid the terrible sufferings in clinging to something that is illusory.

This is where Eastern Philosophy came in since >10,000 or >5000 years ago and that is brought forth to the present while it had also influenced Western Philosophy.
This detachment is from the supposedly-ultimate-reality and not detaching from the real empirical world.

The current resistance to the above besides the theists are the Philosophical Realists and other realists who are still clinging to that inaccessible-reality-in-thought dogmatically and aggressively defending it like there is no tomorrow.

Views?

You are not the sensations and senses you experience, but that on which the thoughts and sensations are experienced.

To find that which does not change one must turn attention away from thoughts and sensations.

This is not an intellectual exercise, it is a practice of focusing on the space between thoughts rather than the thoughts. YOU ARE REALITY. To realize such, still the internal monologue.

[roydop]

No ultimate answer, and there I was getting my hopes up.

Believe me, when somebody figures it out, we'll all know about it soon after.

Doubt it, I think it's more likely that only one or a few people will figure it out and will be able to understand it. And then they'll use it, if it can be used.

The problem is that even the simplest of things is infinitely complex and the human mind simply cannot process such.

Think about it...even the most elementary events is caused by an infinite number of events preceding [which were caused by an infinite number of event preceding those, so on and so forth]. Therefore, it's just not possible to understand anything [very well]. You can perhaps get an inkling, but not much more.

What people do seem to understand is just the currently accepted bullshit which will soon be replaced by the new and improved version. It is only through this type of faulty understanding could people actually think that [for instance] that the government is on their side, or that a corporation actually cares about them, or the million other lies fabricated out of nothing [just like our currency].

Understanding [accepting] the limitations of our intellect is the key to dealing with life.

Everyone who knows a little about science, knows that it's a constant work in progress, and that it's instrumentalist.

www.onesteppath.com under the "Nonconceptuality" tab. Also check out my post under the philosophy of mathematics. I have figured it all out, but it's so contradictory to EVERYTHING humans hold to be true that acceptance/understanding is very rare

[Atla]

www.onesteppath.com under the "Nonconceptuality" tab. Also check out my post under the philosophy of mathematics. I have figured it all out, but it's so contradictory to EVERYTHING humans hold to be true that acceptance/understanding is very rare

​Nonconceptuality is based upon the premise that the primary tenets of religion and science are expressions of a single fundamental model/message. This model/message is a clue/information to help free consciousness from the cycle of suffering.
...

There is no cycle of suffering consciousness could escape from. Suffering is irrelevant. Sorry, but to figure out this world, one has to be way smarter than fall for the message of the Dharmic religions.

[simplicity]

No ultimate answer, and there I was getting my hopes up.

Actually, you can find the "answer" in the realm of the non-intellectual, but you won't like what you find unless you are willing to give up your attachment to certainty.

Believe me, when somebody figures it out, we'll all know about it soon after.

Doubt it, I think it's more likely that only one or a few people will figure it out and will be able to understand it. And then they'll use it, if it can be used.

The chances of somebody figuring it out is probably similar to them finding a particular grain of sand in the Sahara.

The problem is that even the simplest of things is infinitely complex and the human mind simply cannot process such.

Think about it...even the most elementary events is caused by an infinite number of events preceding [which were caused by an infinite number of event preceding those, so on and so forth]. Therefore, it's just not possible to understand anything [very well]. You can perhaps get an inkling, but not much more.

What people do seem to understand is just the currently accepted bullshit which will soon be replaced by the new and improved version. It is only through this type of faulty understanding could people actually think that [for instance] that the government is on their side, or that a corporation actually cares about them, or the million other lies fabricated out of nothing [just like our currency].

Understanding [accepting] the limitations of our intellect is the key to dealing with life.

Everyone who knows a little about science, knows that it's a constant work in progress, and that it's instrumentalist.

Why is it a constant work in progress? Understand this and you will understand the issue.

[Atla]

No ultimate answer, and there I was getting my hopes up.

Actually, you can find the "answer" in the realm of the non-intellectual, but you won't like what you find unless you are willing to give up your attachment to certainty.

Believe me, when somebody figures it out, we'll all know about it soon after.

Doubt it, I think it's more likely that only one or a few people will figure it out and will be able to understand it. And then they'll use it, if it can be used.

The chances of somebody figuring it out is probably similar to them finding a particular grain of sand in the Sahara.

The problem is that even the simplest of things is infinitely complex and the human mind simply cannot process such.

Think about it...even the most elementary events is caused by an infinite number of events preceding [which were caused by an infinite number of event preceding those, so on and so forth]. Therefore, it's just not possible to understand anything [very well]. You can perhaps get an inkling, but not much more.

What people do seem to understand is just the currently accepted bullshit which will soon be replaced by the new and improved version. It is only through this type of faulty understanding could people actually think that [for instance] that the government is on their side, or that a corporation actually cares about them, or the million other lies fabricated out of nothing [just like our currency].

Understanding [accepting] the limitations of our intellect is the key to dealing with life.

Everyone who knows a little about science, knows that it's a constant work in progress, and that it's instrumentalist.

Why is it a constant work in progress? Understand this and you will understand the issue.

Pfft I have no attachment to certainty, and I understand why science and all human discovery is always a work in progress. These are very basic issues, still don't know what you're on about. Do you?

If you mean we should see through the illuson of the ego, go zen or nondual awareness etc. I did that long ago too.

[Vitruvius]

FUCK OFF TO THE OTHER THREAD YOU TWATS

This must be confusing to you, deepest apologies. I forgot there for a second that we need to tread more lightly around the mentally handicapped.

Oh good, its you!

[Vitruvius]

No. Not good. He's in the silly bastard, no content club!

[roydop]

www.onesteppath.com under the "Nonconceptuality" tab. Also check out my post under the philosophy of mathematics. I have figured it all out, but it's so contradictory to EVERYTHING humans hold to be true that acceptance/understanding is very rare

​Nonconceptuality is based upon the premise that the primary tenets of religion and science are expressions of a single fundamental model/message. This model/message is a clue/information to help free consciousness from the cycle of suffering.
...

There is no cycle of suffering consciousness could escape from. Suffering is irrelevant. Sorry, but to figure out this world, one has to be way smarter than fall for the message of the Dharmic religions.

"Suffering is irrelevant." LOL!!

Remind yourself of this next time you're in despair.

The message is to TRANSCEND THOUGHT, not to replace it with a new belief system

[roydop]

No ultimate answer, and there I was getting my hopes up.

Actually, you can find the "answer" in the realm of the non-intellectual, but you won't like what you find unless you are willing to give up your attachment to certainty.

Believe me, when somebody figures it out, we'll all know about it soon after.

Doubt it, I think it's more likely that only one or a few people will figure it out and will be able to understand it. And then they'll use it, if it can be used.

The chances of somebody figuring it out is probably similar to them finding a particular grain of sand in the Sahara.

The problem is that even the simplest of things is infinitely complex and the human mind simply cannot process such.

Think about it...even the most elementary events is caused by an infinite number of events preceding [which were caused by an infinite number of event preceding those, so on and so forth]. Therefore, it's just not possible to understand anything [very well]. You can perhaps get an inkling, but not much more.

What people do seem to understand is just the currently accepted bullshit which will soon be replaced by the new and improved version. It is only through this type of faulty understanding could people actually think that [for instance] that the government is on their side, or that a corporation actually cares about them, or the million other lies fabricated out of nothing [just like our currency].

Understanding [accepting] the limitations of our intellect is the key to dealing with life.

Everyone who knows a little about science, knows that it's a constant work in progress, and that it's instrumentalist.

Why is it a constant work in progress? Understand this and you will understand the issue.

Pfft I have no attachment to certainty, and I understand why science and all human discovery is always a work in progress. These are very basic issues, still don't know what you're on about. Do you?

If you mean we should see through the illuson of the ego, go zen or nondual awareness etc. I did that long ago too.

Science has not concluded because it projects the illusion. To find reality one must still the internal monologue

[Atla]

www.onesteppath.com under the "Nonconceptuality" tab. Also check out my post under the philosophy of mathematics. I have figured it all out, but it's so contradictory to EVERYTHING humans hold to be true that acceptance/understanding is very rare

​Nonconceptuality is based upon the premise that the primary tenets of religion and science are expressions of a single fundamental model/message. This model/message is a clue/information to help free consciousness from the cycle of suffering.
...

There is no cycle of suffering consciousness could escape from. Suffering is irrelevant. Sorry, but to figure out this world, one has to be way smarter than fall for the message of the Dharmic religions.

"Suffering is irrelevant." LOL!!

Remind yourself of this next time you're in despair.

The message is to TRANSCEND THOUGHT, not to replace it with a new belief system

This may shock you, but you're not the centre of the universe, and in the grand scheme of things your suffering is quite irrelevant. There is also no hidden cycle that deals with your suffering, disappointing I know.

Transcending thought is not much of a message. Okay you somewhat changed how your mind works, which in the grand scheme of things also amounts to exactly nothing.

[Atla]

Science has not concluded because it projects the illusion.

Western thinking in general does, science is perfectly compatible with "transcending thought".

To find reality one must still the internal monologue

That method was created for the less bright majority. The bright ones can go through instant realization, without having to still their internal monologue much.

[Vitruvius]

Climate change: IPCC report is 'code red for humanity'
By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent



Human activity is changing the climate in unprecedented and sometimes irreversible ways, a major UN scientific report has said. The landmark study warns of increasingly extreme heatwaves, droughts and flooding, and a key temperature limit being broken in just over a decade. The report "is a code red for humanity", says the UN chief. But scientists say a catastrophe can be avoided if the world acts fast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58130705

Fast is good, but the right approach is more important. Simply reducing GHG's by supressing demand is unjust, and won't work. The rich will hardly feel taxes and prices rises that will crush the poor. People will vote against it, and governments and industry will fiddle the figures. Sacrifice is not a viable strategy, and nor is it necessary. We need vast amounts of clean energy, fast - and magma energy is right there; massive, constant, base load clean energy!