Reality is Inaccessible

[Sculptor]

First, re "If there were no gap between reality and perception we'd all be able to agree about everything," we'd be saying that reality can't be relative because?

Because.... that would be an abuse of langauge. and if you want to claim that we all have our own reality then fine - go ahead and make my case for me.
You have your reality; I have mine. All happy except that we can all agree (to a relativistic degree) that none of us can access another's reality in full.
QED there is a reality gap.
Case closed

[simplicity]

Hydrogen is amazing, produced from electricity and water, contains a lot of energy, and burns clean, but it's the storage medium for energy produced from magma. I don't believe there are other sources of energy better suited to producing hydrogen fuel - that are adequate to meet (and exceed) global energy demand.

Thanks for the reading recommendation. I tend to cite this to show what's possible...

If you believe what AE contributed to your cause, E =mc x c, then you would see that all matter is energy, so energy really isn't a problem.

People simply need to live in balance with all things. And that's the great thing about Nature, it ALWAYS has a solution for those who believe they can deviate with impunity.

[Vitruvius]

It's not that science doesn't help, it's just that it doesn't get to the heart of the matter...similar to how our ancestors did innumerable things that accomplished little more than engender a placebo effect [which is often all you need].

Huh?

Not only is it impossible to understand, but it is [obviously] unnecessary. Look at all the other species out there doing their thing [and quite successfully, I might add]. I would seriously doubt that any of these lifeforms have a wonderful understanding of what they do.

It may be impossible for you to understand - that I will grant you, but that's not true of everyone. I totally accept that left to your own devices, you'd be sleeping in a shallow hole, and eating grass like any other mindless beast, but that's not what other human beings would call success.

And as far as science establishing, "factual valid knowledge of reality," I would suggest that other than knowing your time here on the surface of this planet is finite, everything else is up for grabs.

Then, it shows what you know! Fuck all and plenty of it!

I know enough to know what I am incapable of knowing.

Yes, everything, you already said it's impossible to understand - and I believe that of you!

You need to relax...life's too short to get stressed-out over something like this.

Thanks for the sage advice. I'm quite sure that pearl of wisdom will echo through the ages. "You need to relax - life's too short." Brilliant. How do you come up with these things?

[DPMartin]

This is where some savants thousands of years ago were enlightened to understand there is no such humanly really real projected reality out there in the first place. Therefrom they dig deep philosophically to cultivate 'detachment' to such an ultimate inaccessible reality to avoid the terrible sufferings in clinging to something that is illusory.

the statement humanly really real projected reality, is a problem, it don't make sense. so you're probably right there is no such thing.

but if one thinks to make a thing or do a thing then does it then that thought is fulfilled, hence becomes reality. but thought requires action that fulfills the thought or the thought isn't reality other then it was thought. or in the case of perception do you see what you think or believe, or do you believe what you see and that's what you think.

[attofishpi]

ok, how are you going to power a jet plane around the globe....derived from magma (Earth thermal energy)?

Drill close to magma chambers and subduction zones, line the bore holes with pipes and pump water through, to create steam to produce electricity. Then, pass an electric current through sea water to produce hydrogen. Compress the hydrogen into a liquid gas, 2.5 times more energy than petroleum per kilo - so very efficient, and use that as fuel for a hydrogen jet engine.

Google says:

"Can a jet engine be powered by hydrogen?
Yes, you most certainly can. Concepts for jet aircraft powered by liquid hydrogen have been done before (one example being the Lockheed CL-400 Suntan, although it was never built). Hydrogen has the benefit of burning cleanly, but it has the disadvantage of needing to be refrigerated to keep it liquid."


Ding ding, ding - we have a winner!

..ding ding, I was hoping u were gonna come back to hydrogen. Still, although I admire your insistence on thermal energy, which again thus far I agree with some others in this thread that it is not feasible or in other words at least not financially required with current tech, RELATIVE to other ways of getting hydrogen from water...

There is a book freely available that talks about hydrogen powered cars, written over 10 years ago...grab a copy n share as per my copyright #: )

https://www.androcies.com/alphatwo.php

Hydrogen is amazing, produced from electricity and water, contains a lot of energy, and burns clean, but it's the storage medium for energy produced from magma. I don't believe there are other sources of energy better suited to producing hydrogen fuel - that are adequate to meet (and exceed) global energy demand. You claim there are, but how could you say that, and then not name them? I hate half finished thoughts - please don't do that. This isn't click bait.

Thanks for the reading recommendation. I tend to cite this to show what's possible:



The BMW Hydrogen 7 is a limited production hydrogen internal combustion engine vehicle built from 2005-2007 by German automobile manufacturer BMW. The car is based on BMW’s traditional gasoline-powered BMW 7 Series (E65) line of vehicles, and more specifically the 760Li. Unlike many other current hydrogen powered vehicles like those being produced by Hyundai, Honda, General Motors, and Daimler AG – which use fuel cell technology and hydrogen to produce electricity to power the vehicle – the BMW Hydrogen 7 burns the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine. 0-100 km/h 9.5 seconds - top speed 143 mph (230 km/h) (limited electronically.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

...nice, my Audi TT 1.8 ltr turbo I had doing 240km\hr on the way back from Uluru. Not necessarily to be big headed about it, but ya, I like my car going fast on high octane petroleum.

Nevertheless, you are missing my point - that FINANCIALLY it is still more viable to get hydrogen via means other than what you keep INSISTING on.

[Atla]

The knowledge was factual enough to build computers and the internet, so you could write this comment, wasn't it (even if all scientific knowledge can be reinterpreted). Some things can be addressed by science and some things can't be, but please tell what the "heart of the matter" is.

Just because you do something that "works" does not imply that you understand why.

And you know the ultimate answer to "why" things happen?

[Vitruvius]

Nevertheless, you are missing my point - that FINANCIALLY it is still more viable to get hydrogen via means other than what you keep INSISTING on.

Oh, really? Do tell!

[attofishpi]

Nevertheless, you are missing my point - that FINANCIALLY it is still more viable to get hydrogen via means other than what you keep INSISTING on.

Oh, really? Do tell!

It starts off at your idea. How much is it going to cost to provide steam, turbine energy from drilling down far enough to get the energy required to produce electricity for electrolysis for hydrogen? I guess you might at least attempt to see if it is feasible along the tectonic plate boundaries, such as New Zealand.

btw..I live in the driest state on the driest continent on Earth - so ya, there is plenty of sunshine. Even consider this, how much energy from the Sun is 'wasted' by shining out beyond our speck of a planet such that perhaps little green men within another solar system can look at our wasted energy dispersed aeons ago?

Get a Dyson Sphere up your ****!!

[Vitruvius]

Nevertheless, you are missing my point - that FINANCIALLY it is still more viable to get hydrogen via means other than what you keep INSISTING on.

Oh, really? Do tell!

It starts off at your idea. How much is it going to cost to provide steam, turbine energy from drilling down far enough to get the energy required to produce electricity for electrolysis for hydrogen? I guess you might at least attempt to see if it is feasible along the tectonic plate boundaries, such as New Zealand.

btw..I live in the driest state on the driest continent on Earth - so ya, there is plenty of sunshine. Even consider this, how much energy from the Sun is 'wasted' by shining out beyond our speck of a planet such that perhaps little green men within another solar system can look at our wasted energy dispersed aeons ago?

Get a Dyson Sphere up your ****!!

If you thought drilling for magma energy was an engineering challenge, try building a Dyson sphere! You can get plans from the machines building them in the Bootes Void - for owners long since extinct! Go here:



Seriously though, I've just watched the news about the UN report, and I'm so angry. Shouting at the telly angry! Alok Sharma wants four times more windmills, and Caroline Lucas wants communism. Wind powered communism - that's the plan! Make people cycle to work and eat grass - while they're still pumping oil, because wind can NEVER meet our energy needs. They're insane, and I'm furious. Give me the money, and if I cannot produce butt-loads of clean energy from magma in five years - I'll throw myself into a frigging volcano!

How is it that I've been writing about this, in prominent forums for years, and it doesn't even register? What am I supposed to do? I think it's that the right won't listen because they want to keep pumping oil - and take kickbacks from windmill manufacturers for fat government contracts, and the left won't listen because they use sustainability as an anti-capitalist battering ram! That's saying nothing about the nuclear power station being built, Hinkely Point C, with a government promise the foreign company building it, can charge the British people £92 kw/h - 30% over market price for energy. On the bright side, it won't add to the £3bn per year currently being spent on decommissioning nuclear power stations, because civilisation will have broken down entirely by then, having gone communist, collapsed, and become genocidal - again, as communism is apt to do!

[Terrapin Station]

First, re "If there were no gap between reality and perception we'd all be able to agree about everything," we'd be saying that reality can't be relative because?

Because.... that would be an abuse of langauge. and if you want to claim that we all have our own reality then fine - go ahead and make my case for me.
You have your reality; I have mine. All happy except that we can all agree (to a relativistic degree) that none of us can access another's reality in full.
QED there is a reality gap.
Case closed

It's not that people have "different realities." It's that the one reality that there is is different at different reference points--or in other words, it's relative.

[simplicity]

You need to relax...life's too short to get stressed-out over something like this.

Thanks for the sage advice. I'm quite sure that pearl of wisdom will echo through the ages. "You need to relax - life's too short." Brilliant. How do you come up with these things?

Well, then...live in constant fear of everything and continue being miserable.

Your choice.

[FlashDangerpants]

How is it that I've been writing about this, in prominent forums for years, and it doesn't even register?

That would probably be related to the overconfident but underprepared thing you have going on. If you've worked way all the way down from whatever a prominent forum is to this place, then it's a terminal case.

[simplicity]

The knowledge was factual enough to build computers and the internet, so you could write this comment, wasn't it (even if all scientific knowledge can be reinterpreted). Some things can be addressed by science and some things can't be, but please tell what the "heart of the matter" is.

Just because you do something that "works" does not imply that you understand why.

And you know the ultimate answer to "why" things happen?

Of course, everybody does. Don't you?

[Vitruvius]

How is it that I've been writing about this, in prominent forums for years, and it doesn't even register?

That would probably be related to the overconfident but underprepared thing you have going on. If you've worked way all the way down from whatever a prominent forum is to this place, then it's a terminal case.

Thanks so much for your post. It makes me feel great to get a notification, click on it, and read something like what you've written here. Thanks again!

[Vitruvius]

You need to relax...life's too short to get stressed-out over something like this.

Thanks for the sage advice. I'm quite sure that pearl of wisdom will echo through the ages. "You need to relax - life's too short." Brilliant. How do you come up with these things?

Well, then...live in constant fear of everything and continue being miserable. Your choice.

Thanks so much for your post. It makes me feel great to get a notification, click on it, and read something like what you've written here. Thanks again!