Religion is Man- Made

[attofishpi]

I personally,would never ... take the life of an animal just for the joy that comes with eating it.

You don't have to kill an animal to eat it, but most taste better if you do, and then cook them as well. Oysters, however, are best eaten alive.

Odd that those who regard animals so highly that they would not kill them to enjoy eating them don't learn from those noble creatures how much pleasure they seem to get from eating each other.

Lets all be animals then, oh wait!

Who'd want to be born into this parasitic canabilistic jungle ...not me sorry if that offends you.

Do animals cook their food... oh wait, would that be because they do not know how to make fire.

Apologies in advance if you do actually enjoy eating raw bacon.


Absolutely clueless as usual...

Whilst masticating on a bacon and egg mc muffin in the office, a girl asked me "Do you enjoying eating a dead animal?"

- to which i replied, "Yes, they tend to squeal when biting into them if alive."

..ironically, the bimbo actually laughed.

[Dubious]

When it comes to suicide, euthanasia, call it what you will, each person is unconditionally in charge of their own life. Since one never asked to be born or sign a contract, ownership of that life is complete and so is any decision regarding its fate making any moralistic, religious or legal debate on it null and void. If one wants to rejoin the oblivion from whence all came, that choice is final if one wishes it to be.

[attofishpi]

When it comes to suicide, euthanasia, call it what you will, each person is unconditionally in charge of their own life. Since one never asked to be born or sign a contract, ownership of that life is complete and so is any decision regarding its fate making any moralistic, religious or legal debate on it null and void. If one wants to rejoin the oblivion from whence they came that too is their choice.

As sum one that did it, i totally agree.

[henry quirk]

When it comes to suicide, euthanasia, call it what you will, each person is unconditionally in charge of their own life. Since one never asked to be born or sign a contract, ownership of that life is complete and so is any decision regarding its fate making any moralistic, religious or legal debate on it null and void. If one wants to rejoin the oblivion from whence all came, that choice is final if one wishes it to be.

I am mine and I'll do with myself as a choose.

We agree on sumthin'...

[Age]

I personally,would never ... take the life of an animal just for the joy that comes with eating it.

You don't have to kill an animal to eat it, but most taste better if you do, and then cook them as well. Oysters, however, are best eaten alive.

What about the animal 'human', does that taste better eaten alive or eaten dead and cooked as well?

And, if you do not YET know, why not?

If you want to claim that most animals taste better dead, and cooked as well, then 'what', EXACTLY, makes which animals to eat an all right behavior and which animals to eat a NOT all right behavior?

Work that out, and then you WILL BE much closer to KNOWING what is ACTUALLY Right and ACTUALLY Wrong in Life.

Odd that those who regard animals so highly that they would not kill them to enjoy eating them don't learn from those noble creatures how much pleasure they seem to get from eating each other.

Do you regard the human animal so highly that you would not kill them to enjoy eating them?

If yes, then did you NOT learn from those * 'noble' creatures how much pleasure 'you' ACTUALLY do get from eating "each other"?


* I use that word VERY LOOSELY here for the adult of the species, but use that word with 100% accuracy for the young of that species.

[Age]

means of suicide is not within the purview of the Op. It is a one off but I did ask RCSaunders for clarification and he kindly responded with a very interesting post.

I thought that information was interesting too. Makes me wonder why people would shoot themselves... or jump off bridges... or drive off cliffs... and risk surviving in an even worse condition?

If you are STILL wondering WHY, then they do this because they HATE 'Life', AND they can NOT see ANY, and thus have absolutely NO, 'hope' AT ALL.

I agree completely that the most definitive way to avoid misery is not to have children on whom more, it seems, is consequently imposed. I figured that out a long time ago and decided not to have any.

Although I think I would have enjoyed having children, it simply wasn't a driving force in me, and I was usually focused on preventing it. I didn't think about possibly subjecting other beings to a horrible world (since I don't think that way, myself). I am grateful for the life I have been able to create and have without children. My close friends and neighbors (6 couples) don't have children either.

So, you are grateful for this 'life' that you have been able to create, which is what is causing the abuse, the mess, and the illness, which is OBVIOUSLY in a very steep downhill spiral, in the days when this is being written. That is something not most people would like to be remembered for.

By the way, the MOST DEFINITIVE to avoid misery is NOT to not have children, because you can NOT 'prevent' what you can NOT 'avoid'. 'you', human beings, will keep breeding no matter what. But, the ACTUAL MOST DEFINITIVE way to avoid the MISERY, which 'you', adult human beings, put onto children, which you bring INTO this 'world', is to just CHANGE your Wrong ways which, in turn, OBVIOUSLY makes the 'world' a much BETTER PLACE for ALL 'children', "yourselves", Everyone. 'you' are, after all, ALL just 'children' in Life, continually LEARNING, anyway.

it not unlikely, though unthinkable now, that sometime in the future euthanasia clinics will become part of the establishment.

I think that would be a good idea. Two reasons: 1) It should be easier for people to check-out if they want to, and 2) Having the easy option could make people more appreciative, and take more responsibility, for embracing their lives. It's too easy to complain when one can claim that they're a victim, or trapped, and can't do anything about it. It's very likely that the world and humankind are dragged down (and stunted) by people who don't appreciate it and don't want to be here.

The 'world' and 'humankind' is also dragged down (and stunted) by people who only look at the 'good' or the 'right' and believe that they have done "their best", while NOT looking at the 'bad' nor the 'wrong' that they ACTUALLY do do, and so do NOT DO what they can, and which is necessary, to make 'life', itself, a MUCH BETTER PLACE for EVERY one.

Just as some in this forum are SHOWING that they only look at the 'negative' there are "others" here who SHOW that they only look at the 'positive'. Either way, neither of these are doing ANY thing productive to CHANGE their Wrong ways, for the BETTER.

[Age]

Nobody is recommending suicide. I specifically wrote:

Personally, I think you ought to wait. No matter how much you dislike life, if you quit living now, you just might miss something that might make life worth living. There are no guarantees in life, but death is pretty final.

It has nothing to do with you. It is only an answer to the question, "So, as a matter of interest, what are some of the ways to die painlessly committed as a thoroughly private event?" It's only information which, if you weren't so paranoid, you would know is just as useful for preserving life by avoiding the dangers of those described toxins.

The reality you hate just happens to be the reality I love. All the things you describe as evil are what I regard as realities greatest benefits. I just do not understand why those who hate reality and their own existence so much continue to suffer unnecessarily when they do not have to. I do not believe them.

I think everyone participating on this thread, are forgetting that all I've ever said is I hate pain and suffering, I've not once mentioned the idea of SUICIDE.

Maybe not. But you have talked about how 'life', itself, is just a 'misery' because it is FULL of pain and suffering, which is OBVIOUSLY NOT true, AT ALL.

What 'you' are essentially doing here is what "others" here do, that is; use their own past experiences to SEE 'that' in "others" as well.

As I have previously stated, and very lightly touched on and explaining, is making Assumptions based on Past Experiences is APE-like thinking. That is; that way of 'thinking', looking at, and seeing 'things', although "current" to the days when this was being written, is ACTUALLY a VERY OLD way, in evolutionary terms.

Such an idea never crossed my mind.

Besides the FACT that there is NO "my mind", have you REALLY NEVER heard of the idea 'suicide'?

...but it's as if everyone seems to want to roll with Oh, she hates life so much ..why doesn't she just kill herself.

Well if someone HATES some 'thing' so much, then WHY would they want to keep 'enduring' that 'thing'? Especially considering they keep saying that that 'thing' is FULL of pain AND suffering?

You asked me what I was waiting for remember? implying I should just kill myself. ..just because I said I look forward to death, and that I have no fear of death.

Well if that is what you are REALLY "looking forward to", then what is 'it', EXACTLY, that is 'holding you back'?

Your FULL and Truthful answer to this CLARIFYING QUESTION may help in PREVENTING "others" from suicide.

You've taken that statement out of context haven't you. Why, because your an ignorant idiot.

Is it NOT at all POSSIBLE that you could have written your statement in a way that could be taken in more than just ONE WAY?

If, and when, the writings within this forum are LOOKED AT FULLY, or in MORE DEPTH, than what will be CLEARLY SEEN and NOTICED is that just about EVERY sentence, statement, and/or question can be TAKEN in MORE WAYS than just ONE. In other words, just about EVERY one of them can be VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY, what is referred to as; 'taken out context'.

I have found that when my sentences, statements, and questions are 'taken out of context', then this is because of 'me' and 'me' ALONE, and NOT because of ANY one "else". OBVIOUSLY, if, and WHEN, my writings are 'taken out of context', then this MEANS I STILL have MORE TO LEARN about how to communicate BETTER, or more efficiently, concisely, and/or sufficiently. In other words, the ONLY, so called, "idiot" here is 'me', as I STILL have so much more to learn.

People are just making ridiculous random comments and making bad interpretations of what I am saying. Even before they have read the whole story which is all here in this thread. But no, people haven't read the whole story, they've just picked up on a negative energy, that displeases them... and blown it all out of proportion.

Saying, and CLEARLY EXPRESSING, that life is FULL of pain AND suffering, could be a PRIME EXAMPLE of NOT reading/seeing the WHOLE Picture and Story, and just picking up, literally, on the 'negative' ONLY.

It's as though it is a criminal offense to say I hate pain and suffering.

NOT AT ALL, but some would say that it is 'wrong' to say that 'life', itself, is FULL of pain and suffering. Although NOT a 'criminal offense' to say that, but to say that it is STILL Wrong.

It's not up to you or anyone to suggest suicide. . or and things you can take to make it painless.

Yes, the subject ''suicide'' was yours, and probably henry's as well...remember.

I think the purpose of this thread is really starting to get out of hand now with this talk of suicide, an idea that I never would have mentioned at all.

And what IS the ACTUAL 'purpose' of this thread?

This is my thread and I will direct it the way I think it should go.

AND, OBVIOUSLY "others" HAVE and WILL continue to direct 'it' the way that they 'think' 'it' should, or want 'it' to, go.

It is not a dumping ground to inform people on how is the best way to kill them self. Please stop trying to take the moral highground on this matter. And make me look like a bad person for having the thoughts I do...Take your ideas else where, and leave my thread.

I hate suffering and pain, that's all, that doesn't give you and that weirdo henry a licence to start talking about suicide or the most painless way to do it. You should have PM'd Dubious full stop, not pollute my thread with talk of suicide...please stop trying to turn this around onto me, and say I'm paranoid, you fucking arrogant twat. Henry directs everything at me, so of course I'm going to feel paranoid, the twat has already said to me he thinks I am BAD PERSON.... so your now telling me I am paranoid? what a joke.

This topic thread is about religion / god and pain and suffering...not suicide, which I never mentioned.

I thought the topic of this thread is about 'religion being made up by 'you', human beings'. I can NOT see the words 'pain' nor 'suffering' in the topic of this thread.

Not everyone who dares to say they think being alive is a bad idea wants to kill themself. And yet that's the bug mentality of most human being, they are so clueless.

But 'you' are NOT, correct?

[Age]

Yes he did..but He should have PM'd you with that data. Or suggested looking for the data on google available to all of us. That's why the PM option is available.

You might find life more tolerable if you didn't spend yours deciding how other's should do things. Just because you dislike knowledge does not mean everyone else does. Since Dubious was interested in the information, I assumed others might also be interested. Nothing made you read it.

And, by the way, at least half of my explanation you could not find doing a WEB search.

I didn't read much of it...as soon as I realised what it was saying...I read the first line, and that's it. . I got the gist, after reading the first line, and went no further.

So you are dead wrong, fool. I did not read it because I think it has no place on this thread.

This thread is not about the knowledge of suicide, please stop the condecending attitute. Take such knowledge to the PM option if you enjoy that sort of knowledge. Don't dump it on my thread ok...this is my thread and I will say how it is meant to go.

How is this thread "meant" 'to go'?

[Dontaskme]

You don't have to kill an animal to eat it, but most taste better if you do, and then cook them as well. Oysters, however, are best eaten alive.

Odd that those who regard animals so highly that they would not kill them to enjoy eating them don't learn from those noble creatures how much pleasure they seem to get from eating each other.

Lets all be animals then, oh wait!

Who'd want to be born into this parasitic canabilistic jungle ...not me sorry if that offends you.

Do animals cook their food... oh wait, would that be because they do not know how to make fire.

Apologies in advance if you do actually enjoy eating raw bacon.


Absolutely clueless as usual...

Whilst masticating on a bacon and egg mc muffin in the office, a girl asked me "Do you enjoying eating a dead animal?"

- to which i replied, "Yes, they tend to squeal when biting into them if alive."

..ironically, the bimbo actually laughed.

Were you the one who when out there and clubbed the pig over the head yourself…how loud did it squeal…was it easy to do…


Did it struggle….? oh wait!

[Dontaskme]

You might find life more tolerable if you didn't spend yours deciding how other's should do things. Just because you dislike knowledge does not mean everyone else does. Since Dubious was interested in the information, I assumed others might also be interested. Nothing made you read it.

And, by the way, at least half of my explanation you could not find doing a WEB search.

I didn't read much of it...as soon as I realised what it was saying...I read the first line, and that's it. . I got the gist, after reading the first line, and went no further.

So you are dead wrong, fool. I did not read it because I think it has no place on this thread.

This thread is not about the knowledge of suicide, please stop the condecending attitute. Take such knowledge to the PM option if you enjoy that sort of knowledge. Don't dump it on my thread ok...this is my thread and I will say how it is meant to go.

How is this thread "meant" 'to go'?

Well if you have anything to do with this thread, then it’s probably 210% max ..going to go terribly terribly WRONG !!

That I can guarantee.

[attofishpi]

Lets all be animals then, oh wait!

Who'd want to be born into this parasitic canabilistic jungle ...not me sorry if that offends you.

Do animals cook their food... oh wait, would that be because they do not know how to make fire.

Apologies in advance if you do actually enjoy eating raw bacon.


Absolutely clueless as usual...

Whilst masticating on a bacon and egg mc muffin in the office, a girl asked me "Do you enjoying eating a dead animal?"

- to which i replied, "Yes, they tend to squeal when biting into them if alive."

..ironically, the bimbo actually laughed.

Were you the one who when out there and clubbed the pig over the head yourself…how loud did it squeal…was it easy to do…


Did it struggle….? oh wait!

I don't think this dude would have got clubbed over the head.
But sure, I would kill a pig, but I'd probably slit its jugular, let it bleed itself to sleep. After all, that'd be the way i'd go if i decided ultimately to switch off.
But suicide from my POV would be the dumbest thing i could do, after learning the hard way about God\'God' - and having to reincarnate to go through ALL that again, oh the irony.

[Belinda]

DontAskMe wrote:

The truth is ...human beings really do not like each other...they cannot stand each other, they only care for their own comfort and pleasure...which includes making other people without their consent. It's an addiction to cannibalism and molestation.

I know and have known a lot of people who like each other.

Sorry, but people are parasitic animals, they only have use for other people because they want something from them.

Just face fact, and stop pretending people actually like each other...people think they like each other, they pretend. But they play mind games in order to get what they want, and when they don't get what they want...it's bye bye goodnight. Except for those who suffer fools just because they fear being alone, so again, it's because they want something.

Apart from that, it is a universal fact that human beings believe we can communicate with each other and must do so.(You yourself communicate with others.)

Because we want the other person to give us something that will make our life more comfortable or pleasurable, that's all. You won't go near someone who gives you nothing. Otherwise what would you be doing with them? Relationships are unnatural, co-dependancy among humans is through fear of being alone. Humans are the most insecure species on the planet.

If you think people are nice and that they like each other, then next time you are in town, stop by one of the homeless people living in the shop doorway and offer him permanent residence in your spare bedroom, that's if you have one, then see how that works out for you both.

Most communication between people is rife with gossip anyway.

Your main idea does challenge me to introspect and be a little more genuine, and also to try to remember what great and famous philosophers have said on the matter of what it is that propels or motivates beings from birth to death. If indeed all conscious beings are motivated by will to power(Nietzsche) then there is nothing I can truly say that lets me wriggle free from your accusation.

But will to power can bring results that benefit others. The strong person uses their selfish will to power to produce stuff and ideas that benefit others.Think of an artist who works selfishly and passionately to produce his very own idea in paint on canvas. If you were such an artist you could maybe paint a picture of your passionately- held idea that would make others more conscious of wrongs. Think of someone who invents a new machine that selfishly earns him a lot of money then develops that machine until it is a world-renowned technology for producing useful goods. Think of a humble refuse collector who works selfishly to earn money to live and put food on his table for his kids and who incidentally keeps the city safe from infections.

[Dontaskme]

Whilst masticating on a bacon and egg mc muffin in the office, a girl asked me "Do you enjoying eating a dead animal?"

- to which i replied, "Yes, they tend to squeal when biting into them if alive."

..ironically, the bimbo actually laughed.

Were you the one who when out there and clubbed the pig over the head yourself…how loud did it squeal…was it easy to do…


Did it struggle….? oh wait!

I don't think this dude would have got clubbed over the head.
But sure, I would kill a pig, but I'd probably slit its jugular, let it bleed itself to sleep. After all, that'd be the way i'd go if i decided ultimately to switch off.
But suicide from my POV would be the dumbest thing i could do, after learning the hard way about God\'God' - and having to reincarnate to go through ALL that again, oh the irony.

As for you doing it all again, you can not know that....but as long as procreation continues, then it's business as usual. No game without a player..

For me,the good thing about living is that it ends.

[Dontaskme]

DontAskMe wrote:


I know and have known a lot of people who like each other.

Sorry, but people are parasitic animals, they only have use for other people because they want something from them.

Just face fact, and stop pretending people actually like each other...people think they like each other, they pretend. But they play mind games in order to get what they want, and when they don't get what they want...it's bye bye goodnight. Except for those who suffer fools just because they fear being alone, so again, it's because they want something.

Apart from that, it is a universal fact that human beings believe we can communicate with each other and must do so.(You yourself communicate with others.)

Because we want the other person to give us something that will make our life more comfortable or pleasurable, that's all. You won't go near someone who gives you nothing. Otherwise what would you be doing with them? Relationships are unnatural, co-dependancy among humans is through fear of being alone. Humans are the most insecure species on the planet.

If you think people are nice and that they like each other, then next time you are in town, stop by one of the homeless people living in the shop doorway and offer him permanent residence in your spare bedroom, that's if you have one, then see how that works out for you both.

Most communication between people is rife with gossip anyway.

Your main idea does challenge me to introspect and be a little more genuine, and also to try to remember what great and famous philosophers have said on the matter of what it is that propels or motivates beings from birth to death. If indeed all conscious beings are motivated by will to power(Nietzsche) then there is nothing I can truly say that lets me wriggle free from your accusation.

But will to power can bring results that benefit others. The strong person uses their selfish will to power to produce stuff and ideas that benefit others.Think of an artist who works selfishly and passionately to produce his very own idea in paint on canvas. If you were such an artist you could maybe paint a picture of your passionately- held idea that would make others more conscious of wrongs. Think of someone who invents a new machine that selfishly earns him a lot of money then develops that machine until it is a world-renowned technology for producing useful goods. Think of a humble refuse collector who works selfishly to earn money to live and put food on his table for his kids and who incidentally keeps the city safe from infections.

Life and thinking people I have no use for..I like cats and none talking animals, and I really love playing animal crossing new horizons video game ..that is my only real guilty pleasure.

The only benefit for me about being alive is knowing it ends.

Oh, and I nearly forget to mention...I also like posting my knowledge to nobodies on this forum, that's quite fun, it passes the time at least, which seems to make 'death day' feel a little bit closer.

[Belinda]

DAM wrote:

The only benefit for me about being alive is knowing it ends.

That is certainly one benefit of being human.

But you said you also enjoy cats, and playing some game !