Religion is Man- Made

[Immanuel Can]

what is exactly is it you eat, by the way?

Obviously, along with her veggies, she eats meat.

If she didn't, she'd have said so immediately.

Her reticence shows you caught her napping.

I bet she eats bacon.

Who doesn't?

Who hates joy so much they'd turn down bacon-wrapped scallops?

[henry quirk]

Obviously, along with her veggies, she eats meat.

If she didn't, she'd have said so immediately.

Her reticence shows you caught her napping.

I bet she eats bacon.

Who doesn't?

Who hates joy so much they'd turn down bacon-wrapped scallops?

Indeed...bacon-wrapped anything...

[Dontaskme]

Better to be angry than apathetic.

That I agree with.

Yes I guess I am angry.

I'm glad you brought up the word, because that's how I feel, but didn't bother to use that word. But yes, it's the perfect word to use in my case.

I'm not apathetic though, for I have deep deep feelings. I'm over sensitive, I'm also concerned. I know I cannot help others, only they can do that, I know they can do it, because I did it. I hate to see people emotionally upset, especially animals.

I look forward to dying, and have absolutely no fear of dying.. just the thought of not having to live anymore gives me goosebumps and there is a sense of calm and peace that passes all understand when I think about being dead. I have no problem waiting for when my turn comes, because what does it matter whether I die tomorrow or in 20 / 30 years time, when the time comes it will be as though I NEVER existed EVER. There is no time, or anyone living life, or dying.

[henry quirk]

I look forward to dying,

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

[RCSaunders]

I look forward to dying, ...

What are you waiting for?

[Dontaskme]

I look forward to dying, ...

What are you waiting for?

I'm waiting to die.


It's not up to me to die, unless I kill myself, and why would I want to do what I hate? ( cause more pain and suffering)

Why do you make ridiculous random comment like that?

If you'd been following the conversation, by reading all my latest posts, you will somewhere find the answer to your question.

But you have to pay attention to what's actually being discussed here, and not just randomly interject with stupid comments.

I'm sorry but most people are just totally ignorance and stupid, their responses are typically conditioned. Only the rare few of us ever rise above the bug planet mentality.

Hope you get the gist, if not, then work it out for yourself...shit for brains.

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[Lacewing]

Have you ditched your non-duality philosophy?

Not really, I use it intermittently when the mood takes.

Just recently I've been more about the problem of suffering sentience.

Ah. So questions like "who is it that is suffering?" are of no value or interest to you right now. Either it does not relieve your hatred, and/or you don't want it to, correct? You want to see and feel what you see and feel -- regardless of whether you could see and feel something else. Yes?

I wouldn't have guessed that you would ever set aside your non-duality philosophy as much as you seem to have currently done. That's why I asked you about it. Perhaps this is similar to a theist who turns away from a god because that belief seems to have failed them, or it is not serving them. Often it seems that something happens to shake people loose from their beliefs. Was there something suddenly jarring that caused you to shift as much as you have right now?

If I was feeling such a hatred for pain and suffering, and I didn't want to be alive (as you have expressed), I would try to seek out some natural medication... if I still had the mental capacity to love and want to help myself. Admittedly, sometimes when I don't feel well, I can't think straight enough to help myself -- and I forget the things I would otherwise remember to do to help.

At the same time, if that's the state I was in, I can't imagine that I would be on this forum raving about it. So it doesn't make sense to me how you reconcile or ignore the inconsistencies between the states/mind-sets you so passionately embody from one phase to the next? Don't those mind-sets communicate with each other and seek balance?

The reason I suggested meds was to help you find balance during a troubled phase. If you hate suffering, why not alleviate your own?

I tend to think that what we hold and show as our intention, is magnified and reflected back to us. Our intention is like an invisible message (or request) we send out across the cosmic network... and that's very powerful. Similar to the idea that energetic quality can have a magnetic effect. Like attracts like. At times when I haven't felt strong or clear, I do things to build/seek strength and clarity... even if I'm feeling weakness or despair. I focus on what I want to feel more of, and where I want to go... and then, in short order, I am there. I am not content to feel like crap. I know that the options/potentials are limitless for me to choose from and attune with. I'm creating my experience in every moment. I'm usually aware of what I'm creating. It's not always easy. But practice strengthens ability... and expands conscious potential.

I hate that we have to suffer, therefore, I hate life, because life is suffering.

Can you see that life is more than suffering?

Can you love the parts that are not suffering?

Or must you focus on the suffering, which -- in this magnetic Universe (if you can see proof of that) -- will attract more and magnify your experience of suffering? Why would this be what you choose to create your experience with, when there is so much more than that to create with?

Lacewing, Can you see in the [answer to Belinda] how I've used nonduality?

Not really. I can hear what you would be saying to yourself from the non-dualistic platform. Not that I think non-dualism is the answer for everything. I honestly think it's a bit extreme, but then so is the space you seem to be in now. Neither seems healthy... which is why I think you could benefit from some balancing therapy.

When you get confused... listen to the music play.
When you're immersed in hate... seek out experiences of love.
Let your words and actions demonstrate the intention of what you want to create more of.
No matter what the world appears to be doing.

(I hope you find value in this post)

[RCSaunders]

I look forward to dying, ...

What are you waiting for?

I'm waiting to die.

It's not up to me to die, unless I kill myself, and why would I want to do what I hate? ( cause more pain and suffering)

Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought, "I look forward to dying," meant it's something you like, but now you say you hate it. That's very confusing. You look forward to what you hate?

As for suffering, there are many ways to die painlessly. There's no need to suffer, and if you really look forward to dying, there's no need to wait.

Personally, I think you ought to wait. No matter how much you dislike life, if you quit living now, you just might miss something that might make life worth living. There are no guarantees in life, but death is pretty final.

[Dontaskme]

Have you ditched your non-duality philosophy?

Not really, I use it intermittently when the mood takes.

Just recently I've been more about the problem of suffering sentience.

Ah. So questions like "who is it that is suffering?" are of no value or interest to you right now. Either it does not relieve your hatred, and/or you don't want it to, correct? You want to see and feel what you see and feel -- regardless of whether you could see and feel something else. Yes?

I wouldn't have guessed that you would ever set aside your non-duality philosophy as much as you seem to have currently done. That's why I asked you about it. Perhaps this is similar to a theist who turns away from a god because that belief seems to have failed them, or it is not serving them. Often it seems that something happens to shake people loose from their beliefs. Was there something suddenly jarring that caused you to shift as much as you have right now?

If I was feeling such a hatred for pain and suffering, and I didn't want to be alive (as you have expressed), I would try to seek out some natural medication... if I still had the mental capacity to love and want to help myself. Admittedly, sometimes when I don't feel well, I can't think straight enough to help myself -- and I forget the things I would otherwise remember to do to help.

At the same time, if that's the state I was in, I can't imagine that I would be on this forum raving about it. So it doesn't make sense to me how you reconcile or ignore the inconsistencies between the states/mind-sets you so passionately embody from one phase to the next? Don't those mind-sets communicate with each other and seek balance?

The reason I suggested meds was to help you find balance during a troubled phase. If you hate suffering, why not alleviate your own?

I tend to think that what we hold and show as our intention, is magnified and reflected back to us. Our intention is like an invisible message (or request) we send out across the cosmic network... and that's very powerful. Similar to the idea that energetic quality can have a magnetic effect. Like attracts like. At times when I haven't felt strong or clear, I do things to build/seek strength and clarity... even if I'm feeling weakness or despair. I focus on what I want to feel more of, and where I want to go... and then, in short order, I am there. I am not content to feel like crap. I know that the options/potentials are limitless for me to choose from and attune with. I'm creating my experience in every moment. I'm usually aware of what I'm creating. It's not always easy. But practice strengthens ability... and expands conscious potential.

I hate that we have to suffer, therefore, I hate life, because life is suffering.

Can you see that life is more than suffering?

Can you love the parts that are not suffering?

Or must you focus on the suffering, which -- in this magnetic Universe (if you can see proof of that) -- will attract more and magnify your experience of suffering? Why would this be what you choose to create your experience with, when there is so much more than that to create with?

Lacewing, Can you see in the [answer to Belinda] how I've used nonduality?

Not really. I can hear what you would be saying to yourself from the non-dualistic platform. Not that I think non-dualism is the answer for everything. I honestly think it's a bit extreme, but then so is the space you seem to be in now. Neither seems healthy... which is why I think you could benefit from some balancing therapy.

When you get confused... listen to the music play.
When you're immersed in hate... seek out experiences of love.
Let your words and actions demonstrate the intention of what you want to create more of.
No matter what the world appears to be doing.

(I hope you find value in this post)

You say ''I hope you find value in this post''

Thanks for the post, good effort lacy, but no, I find absolutely no value in your preachy sentimental mush. There's only value in the concept value when there is the absence of pain and suffering, insofar as the concept value is meaningless until there is reason for something to be of value.

Pain and suffering is woven into the very fabric of life itself, otherwise the concept value is meaningless. In reality, the universe does not care one iota or give a fuck about YOUR values, it's a human concept created by the 'misery self' called a human being. I must feel good because feeling bad sucks, while feeling good is the result of not feeling bad. Value comes into play as part of the human game to desire pleasure and not pain. It's like if you are willing to have a rusty nail drilled into your eyeball once in awhile, then why not, your reward will be a life time supply of kit-kats. I mean, wow, you'd have to be an idiot not to take up that offer.

I've heard it all before hun... be grateful they say, enjoy your suffering they say, it builds character they say... it's really really worth it they say, life is just one big ball of joy they say...I mean a life time supply of kit-kats, who'd not want that, oh ok, well in that case count me in.


I'm absolutely fine here, as I've already mentioned this umpteen times already. Yep, I'm perfectly healthy and balanced here, in spite of how I'm perceived by others due to their human conditioning. But will other's believe me, that's the real issue here, I guess how I actually AM, is for me to know, and for them to find out. Truth is, they will never know me, they will only judge me according to their own fears and bias and phobias...All I do is tell the truth, so whether or not I am believed or not, I do I care, all I know is that I do not lie, I only say the truth.

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[Dontaskme]

I thought, "I look forward to dying," meant it's something you like, but now you say you hate it. That's very confusing. You look forward to what you hate?

As for suffering, there are many ways to die painlessly. There's no need to suffer, and if you really look forward to dying, there's no need to wait.

I look forward to being dead. I do not fear being dead. I will wait until it's my turn to be dead. It's not up to me to make that happen, that would violate natural law.

We shouldn't have to kill ourselves just because we hate pain and suffering, that's more pain and suffering for the one who has to go through the process of it, and the ones left behind.

This has nothing to do with intentional suicide..is that clear?

Does this clarify for you?

Sorry but I cannot make you understand what I am saying. This is the problem when dicussing your own personal ideas with other people, people are not other people, and using words to make a point is crap, words are useless. They always create confusion in others. But for me here, there is no confusion whatsoever as to what I am saying.


My words have no copyright. You are free to interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, believe what you like about them.

[Lacewing]

I'm absolutely fine here, as I've already mentioned this umpteen times already. Yep, I'm perfectly healthy and balanced here

Just full of hate, anger, contradictions, and wide mood swings.

[Dontaskme]

Ah. So questions like "who is it that is suffering?" are of no value or interest to you right now.

The question has never been of any value to me.

Why would it, pain and suffering is real. It's really happening.

If there is a 'someone' or a 'thing' that owns this pain and suffering, if pain and suffering has a creator, who created it, then my point is, why would they do that, why would someone or something want to create pain and suffering?

This is the point I am trying to get across. If it's our pain and suffering, if we have created it, then all I'm trying to understand is why would we want that to be a part of the living experience?

I personally wouldn't want it. I'd rather be dead forever...does this clarify for you?

[Dontaskme]

I'm absolutely fine here, as I've already mentioned this umpteen times already. Yep, I'm perfectly healthy and balanced here

Just full of hate, anger, contradictions, and wide mood swings.

So what's wrong with that?

Is there anything wrong or bad about what arises in sentient beings?

Have you ever felt anger, hate, the feeling of being contradictive, have you ever felt mood swings?

Do these feelings sensations mean the person is unwell, unstable, unbalanced, do these feelings make a person a bad person? do these feelings make a person a liar?

What about if the person feeling these sensations, emotions and feelings is ok with them, but at the same time will be glad when they do not arise anymore, like when you are dead? For me, there is nothing I can do about what it means to be human, but I'd rather just stay unborn if I had the choice, knowing what I know while being alive. Knowing what experiences are while being alive...I wouldn't intentionally choose it personally.

Do you see where I am going with this?

[Belinda]

I look forward to dying, ...

What are you waiting for?

I'm waiting to die.


It's not up to me to die, unless I kill myself, and why would I want to do what I hate? ( cause more pain and suffering)

Why do you make ridiculous random comment like that?

If you'd been following the conversation, by reading all my latest posts, you will somewhere find the answer to your question.

But you have to pay attention to what's actually being discussed here, and not just randomly interject with stupid comments.

I'm sorry but most people are just totally ignorance and stupid, their responses are typically conditioned. Only the rare few of us ever rise above the bug planet mentality.

Hope you get the gist, if not, then work it out for yourself...shit for brains.

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re RKSaunders's reply, people joke about serious life events because they are afraid of them.

[Lacewing]

Ah. So questions like "who is it that is suffering?" are of no value or interest to you right now.

The question has never been of any value to me.

If there's no value, then why have you repeatedly asked it of other people from your non-dualism platform, when they are relating their thoughts and experiences? Why don't you address all of the things you're claiming now, with the non-dualism responses you've been giving to everyone else for years?