Religion is Man- Made

[Immanuel Can]

...the arguments one consistently makes which finally denotes the person. How can it not since it describes his way of thinking and method of argumentation.

No, there's no "point" at which an argument fails merely because of the person who spoke it. That actually never logically is entailed.

I never said that an argument fails because of the person who spoke it. That would be absurd. However it proves once again why any ad hominem used to describe you ceases to be that and becomes in fact a truth statement.

But let us suppose it is a "truth statement," as you say. If so, it's only a truth about the speaker, not a truth about his/her utterance on a given occasion. And often, it's not even really even that.

Nevertheless, if I claim, "Dubious is a liar" that does not inform anybody about whether or not Dubious's claims "Dragons are real," or "The number 2 is one more than 1" are true or false. It's just irrelevant for me to impugn his character -- at best, it's a distraction to throw of observers from the quality of whatever it is he said.

[Immanuel Can]

No joy without pain, listen, if you want the pain for the reward of joy, then fine, your willing to accept the price of joy. Personally, I'd rather have neither, and wouldn't be any worse or better off.

That's an option too, of course. But as you, yourself, observe, it's not possible while one is living.

Proof there is no intelligent creator God is right there, the universe doesn't have a mind to care about suffering,

Heh. It's not "proof," of course; it's interpretation and intuition, perhaps, but no more. It's certainly not self-evident. But supposing some "god" did exist: what would he/she/it have to do to convince you that he/she/it actually did have some concern for your suffering?

[Immanuel Can]

I think the view that says "Life is Hell" has two faults, really: one is that it badly underestimates the possible joys of life. The other is that it really doesn't take Hell seriously enough.

So in what way am i supposed to take Hell more seriously??

You can only make that statement if you think you know what Hell is. So tell us, oh great one!

I claim no arcane knowledge. The Biblical record is sufficient to convince one that Hell is no laughing matter...and that this life decidedly lacks its central characteristics.

For one thing, if you and I were in Hell, we would not be having this discussion.

[Dontaskme]

No joy without pain, listen, if you want the pain for the reward of joy, then fine, your willing to accept the price of joy. Personally, I'd rather have neither, and wouldn't be any worse or better off.

That's an option too, of course. But as you, yourself, observe, it's not possible while one is living.

Well I know that, you don't have to point out the bleeding obvious, there is nothing I can do about having this shit hole imposed upon me without my consent is there.

Heh. It's not "proof," of course; it's interpretation and intuition, perhaps, but no more. It's certainly not self-evident. But supposing some "god" did exist: what would he/she/it have to do to convince you that he/she/it actually did have some concern for your suffering?

Intelligent people know that nature has no concern for suffering of it's sentient creatures, I'm sorry but the mind is a man made myth as much as you would like to deny this.

[Immanuel Can]

The other is that it really doesn't take Hell seriously enough.

Are you for real?

Don't take my word for it. If you take anything, take the Biblical record.

[Dontaskme]

The other is that it really doesn't take Hell seriously enough.

Are you for real?

Don't take my word for it. If you take anything, take the Biblical record.

Still pushing the BS, you guys are relentlessly feeding off your delusions, so be it.

[Age]

It is NOT by chance that 'you' are human. It is BECAUSE of the human body that 'you' became to exist.

Oh really, wow, that's amazing news to me, fancy that, a human body making another human body, and not a cat body,

You CLEARLY MISSED and MISUNDERSTOOD the POINT that I was ALLUDING TO.

well who'd of thought that would happen. OMG, that you had to say the bleeding obvious is hilarious. Just think, I'm a human being because I'm not a cat.

But I NEVER said 'that'. That is just your OWN INTERPRETATION. And, that ASSUMPTION of YOURS was just plain Wrong, ONCE AGAIN.

It's by chance, that I am a human, since no one can choose to be a cat or a human..think about that.

You are MILES OFF TRACK.

Also, what people's lives are ANY thing but, so called, "comfortable"?

Also, if ANY one is NOT living a, so called, "comfortable" life, then this is ONLY because of 'you', adult human beings, and NOTHING ELSE.

No, basic comfort has got nothing to do with human beings dumbo..

WHY did you now bring the "basic" word into this for?

And, what do you REALLY get out of TRYING TO belittle, ridicule, and/or humiliate "others"?

Also, what can we call the one who ACTUALLY JUMPS to the WRONG ASSUMPTION and so ends up COMPLETELY and UTTERLY OFF TRACK and LOST, but is ACTUALLY calling the "other" one "dumbo"?

it's to do with crude external forces bearing down on all living things...crude external forces of nature that give and take away at random the comfort that all sentient life forms seek.

LOL "crude external forces".

And, nature does NOT give and take. Nature just does what it does, NATURALLY.

What an observer LOOKS FOR, SEES, and PERCEIVES is a WHOLE completely OTHER MATTER.

Stop lying and twisting points around to suit your own agenda, the agenda where you attempt to make others feel like they do not know what they are talking about. So you constantly info bomb them with your endless diatribe full of pointless bamboozle.
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[Dontaskme]

It is NOT by chance that 'you' are human. It is BECAUSE of the human body that 'you' became to exist.

Oh really, wow, that's amazing news to me, fancy that, a human body making another human body, and not a cat body,

You CLEARLY MISSED and MISUNDERSTOOD the POINT that I was ALLUDING TO.

well who'd of thought that would happen. OMG, that you had to say the bleeding obvious is hilarious. Just think, I'm a human being because I'm not a cat.

But I NEVER said 'that'. That is just your OWN INTERPRETATION. And, that ASSUMPTION of YOURS was just plain Wrong, ONCE AGAIN.

It's by chance, that I am a human, since no one can choose to be a cat or a human..think about that.

You are MILES OFF TRACK.

Also, what people's lives are ANY thing but, so called, "comfortable"?

Also, if ANY one is NOT living a, so called, "comfortable" life, then this is ONLY because of 'you', adult human beings, and NOTHING ELSE.

No, basic comfort has got nothing to do with human beings dumbo..

WHY did you now bring the "basic" word into this for?

And, what do you REALLY get out of TRYING TO belittle, ridicule, and/or humiliate "others"?

Also, what can we call the one who ACTUALLY JUMPS to the WRONG ASSUMPTION and so ends up COMPLETELY and UTTERLY OFF TRACK and LOST, but is ACTUALLY calling the "other" one "dumbo"?

it's to do with crude external forces bearing down on all living things...crude external forces of nature that give and take away at random the comfort that all sentient life forms seek.

LOL "crude external forces".

And, nature does NOT give and take. Nature just does what it does, NATURALLY.

What an observer LOOKS FOR, SEES, and PERCEIVES is a WHOLE completely OTHER MATTER.

Stop lying and twisting points around to suit your own agenda, the agenda where you attempt to make others feel like they do not know what they are talking about. So you constantly info bomb them with your endless diatribe full of pointless bamboozle.

Please just shut up, please, I'm begging you, if you can just do one decent thing in your sad,sorry, pathetic little life, please, just shut the fuck up.

[Immanuel Can]

Intelligent people know that nature has no concern for suffering of it's sentient creatures,

That's called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. And in this case, it's ad hominem as well. But we shall let that be: the only important point is that it's not really true.

In point of observation, many very intelligent people have expressed great joy in life. We would have no artists, musicians, writers, poets, lovers, inventors, athletes, scientists, entrepreneurs, innovators, educators and so on, if people never found joy in the same world you find so burdensome.

I'm sorry you're not feeling the same. And I'm just wondering why.

[Age]

I have ALREADY INFORMED of what is INVISIBLE and what is NOT INVISIBLE.

Explain the invisible again, I must have missed it the first time you informed us of it.

What is INVISIBLE to the physical eye/s are things like 'you', people, 'persons', 'personalities', 'thoughts' (within the body), 'emotions', 'Mind', 'Consciousness', and 'Awareness'.

[Dontaskme]

Intelligent people know that nature has no concern for suffering of it's sentient creatures,

That's called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. And in this case, it's ad hominem as well. But we shall let that be: the only important point is that it's not really true.

In point of observation, many very intelligent people have expressed great joy in life. We would have no artists, musicians, writers, poets, lovers, inventors, athletes, scientists, entrepreneurs, innovators, educators and so on, if people never found joy in the same world you find so burdensome.

I'm sorry you're not feeling the same. And I'm just wondering why.

ok you win.

You obviously support the idea of being alive, where you think it's ok for people to impose suffering on the unborn without their consent. Many people do, it's hopeless. we have the knowledge to end suffering for good, but no one want to do it, so be it.

There is no point in continuing to talk to you about it anymore.

[Dontaskme]

I have ALREADY INFORMED of what is INVISIBLE and what is NOT INVISIBLE.

Explain the invisible again, I must have missed it the first time you informed us of it.

What is INVISIBLE to the physical eye/s are things like 'you', people, 'persons', 'personalities', 'thoughts' (within the body), 'emotions', 'Mind', 'Consciousness', and 'Awareness'.

ok if you say so.

[Age]

Stop lying and twisting points around to suit your own agenda, the agenda where you attempt to make others feel like they do not know what they are talking about.

If ANY one feels this way, then I suggesting asking WHY?

Do I REALLY have that MUCH CONTROL over 'you' or "others"?

So you constantly info bomb them with your endless diatribe full of pointless bamboozle.

If that is what you OBSERVE and SEE, then there are things called CLARIFYING, and CLARITY, which completely and utterly OVERRIDE this.

[Dontaskme]

Stop lying and twisting points around to suit your own agenda, the agenda where you attempt to make others feel like they do not know what they are talking about.

If ANY one feels this way, then I suggesting asking WHY?

Do I REALLY have that MUCH CONTROL over 'you' or "others"?

So you constantly info bomb them with your endless diatribe full of pointless bamboozle.

If that is what you OBSERVE and SEE, then there are things called CLARIFYING, and CLARITY, which completely and utterly OVERRIDE this.

Yes that is what is seen.

[Immanuel Can]

You obviously support the idea of being alive, where you think it's ok for people to impose suffering on the unborn without their consent.

I have no idea what you're talking about there. I'm not imposing anything on anyone.

But whaddever.