A World Without Men?

[Age]

Do you have ANY other evidence for the HYPOTHESIS that the Universe IS expanding?

Yes I do, but one thing at a time Age:

And first things first.

You claim that you have OTHER evidence for the HYPOTHESIS that the Universe is expanding, So, will you now provide the number of pieces of evidences and list the other evidence you have?

If no, then WHY NOT?

But if yes, then great we await for you.

Do you have ANY other HYPOTHESIS for the evidence that the Universe IS expanding?

But, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO actual evidence that thee Universe is expanding, because if there was, then that means that it would ALREADY be a PROVED FACT that the Universe is expanding.

Let us NOT forget that you ONLY have evidence for the
HYPOTHESIS that the Universe is expanding.

Therefore, the question you asked here is nonsensical in its current construct.

[uwot]

But, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO actual evidence that thee Universe is expanding, because if there was, then that means that it would ALREADY be a PROVED FACT that the Universe is expanding.

Let us NOT forget that you ONLY have evidence for the
HYPOTHESIS that the Universe is expanding.

You still don't understand the difference between evidence and hypothesis. The evidence, to use your term, is the "PROVED FACT". In this case, the galactic red shift is the PROVED FACT. It is a PROVED FACT because you can see it. So, now that red shift is a PROVED FACT, there is the question of what causes it. Anyone who claims to know how the universe works has to have an answer to that question.

Whatever your theory is Age, it has to account for red shift, because if it can't explain a PROVED FACT, it can't explain anything.

[Age]

I do NOT do BELIEF.

Your only evidence in support of that belief is that you believe that you don't do belief.

Are you purposely just being immature, or do you REALLY BELIEVE that I can NOT exist with BELIEVING things?

[FlashDangerpants]

I do NOT do BELIEF.

Your only evidence in support of that belief is that you believe that you don't do belief.

Are you purposely just being immature, or do you REALLY BELIEVE that I can NOT exist with BELIEVING things?

I'm telling you that all your talk of not having any beliefs is nonsense, and what you are expressing there is itself just a belief.

You have been doing that thing about as-it-was-written-at-this-time or whatever because of a belief you hold about the future, where you believe your ideas will be very important. You are mistaken in your belief that you do not do belief.

[Age]

But, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO actual evidence that thee Universe is expanding, because if there was, then that means that it would ALREADY be a PROVED FACT that the Universe is expanding.

Let us NOT forget that you ONLY have evidence for the
HYPOTHESIS that the Universe is expanding.

You still don't understand the difference between evidence and hypothesis. The evidence, to use your term, is the "PROVED FACT". In this case, the galactic red shift is the PROVED FACT. It is a PROVED FACT because you can see it. So, now that red shift is a PROVED FACT, there is the question of what causes it.

When have I ever asked the question, "What causes it?"

And, I ALREADY UNDERSTOOD the difference between 'evidence' and 'hypothesis'.

This is a PROVED FACT, by the DIFFERENCE I SHOWED in the two DIFFERENT definitions, which I have ALREADY PROVIDED.

You STILL appear to NOT YET FULLY UNDERSTAND the DIFFERENCE between 'evidence', for the HYPOTHESIS of some 'thing', and, the 'evidence', for that 'thing' itself.

Using the "expanding Universe" assumption, as an example. The data known as galactic red shift is the evidence for just the HYPOTHESIS that the Universe is expanding. Galactic red shift, however, is NOT evidence that the Universe is, ACTUALLY, expanding.

Do you, now, understand this?

Not until theASSUMPTION and CLAIM that "the Universe is expanding" has ALREADY been PROVED True, and thus has become a PROVED FACT, could then the ACTUAL 'evidence' for 'it' be PROVIDED.

You are absolutely FREE to ASSUME, and/or BELIEVE, that the Universe is expanding. And, you can say that the 'evidence' you have, and use, for this ASSUMPTION of yours is "galactic red shift", but are you AWARE that that 'evidence' is only for your ASSUMPTION, and that HYPOTHESIS, ONLY?

It is NOT YET a PROVED FACT that galactic red shift is an ACTUAL evidence that the Universe is expanding and this is because it is NOT YET a PROVED FACT that the Universe is expanding.

Galactic red shift is ONLY ASSUMED to be 'evidence' for the "expanding Universe" ASSUMPTION and GUESS.

WHY the evidence for the HYPOTHESIS for the "expanding Universe" idea CAN BE, and ALREADY has BEEN, PROVIDED is because the HYPOTHESIS ACTUALLY ALREADY EXISTS.

The "expanding Universe" idea, or BELIEF, by some, is STILL ONLY just a HYPOTHESIS, and as such it can BE FALSIFIED.

So, if that HYPOTHESIS IS FALSIFIED, then there OBVIOUSLY NEVER was ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE for the CLAIM.

Anyone who claims to know how the universe works has to have an answer to that question.

I agree that if ANY one CLAIMS to KNOW how the Universe works, then it would best for them to be able to answer not just that question, but ALL questions, regarding that claim.

In fact if ANY one makes ANY claim, then I suggest that they have the ACTUAL PROOF, which backs up and supports their CLAIM, BEFORE they make the CLAIM in the FIRST PLACE.

Whatever your theory is Age, it has to account for red shift, because if it can't explain a PROVED FACT, it can't explain anything.

ALREADY DONE. My CLAIM, unlike yours, accounts for BOTH red AND blue shift

As I have ALREADY SAID I have a MUCH BETTER EXPLANATION. You, however, just BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that I do NOT. So, you have NOT YET been prepared, for my CLAIM.

[Age]

Your only evidence in support of that belief is that you believe that you don't do belief.

Are you purposely just being immature, or do you REALLY BELIEVE that I can NOT exist with BELIEVING things?

I'm telling you that all your talk of not having any beliefs is nonsense, and what you are expressing there is itself just a belief.

Okay. So, "flashdangerpants" BELIEVES WHOLEHEARTEDLY that what it is saying here is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

You have been doing that thing about as-it-was-written-at-this-time or whatever because of a belief you hold about the future, where you believe your ideas will be very important. You are mistaken in your belief that you do not do belief.

And, there could NOT be ABSOLUTELY ANY POSSIBILITY, in the WHOLE Universe, AT ALL, that you could POSSIBLY be WRONG in ANY way AT ALL, either, correct?

[Age]

Your only evidence in support of that belief is that you believe that you don't do belief.

Are you purposely just being immature, or do you REALLY BELIEVE that I can NOT exist with BELIEVING things?

I'm telling you that all your talk of not having any beliefs is nonsense, and what you are expressing there is itself just a belief.

You have been doing that thing about as-it-was-written-at-this-time or whatever because of a belief you hold about the future, where you believe your ideas will be very important. You are mistaken in your belief that you do not do belief.

Also, how do 'you' KNOW, EXACTLY, what is happening in other heads?

When did 'you' start BELIEVING that 'you' KNOW, 100% without ANY doubt at all, what "others" are BELIEVING, and NOT BELIEVING?

And, what does it feel like to ACTUALLY BELIEVE that 'you' HAVE THIS ABILITY, OVER "others".

[FlashDangerpants]

Are you purposely just being immature, or do you REALLY BELIEVE that I can NOT exist with BELIEVING things?

I'm telling you that all your talk of not having any beliefs is nonsense, and what you are expressing there is itself just a belief.

Okay. So, "flashdangerpants" BELIEVES WHOLEHEARTEDLY that what it is saying here is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

You have been doing that thing about as-it-was-written-at-this-time or whatever because of a belief you hold about the future, where you believe your ideas will be very important. You are mistaken in your belief that you do not do belief.

And, there could NOT be ABSOLUTELY ANY POSSIBILITY, in the WHOLE Universe, AT ALL, that you could POSSIBLY be WRONG in ANY way AT ALL, either, correct?

You have aready told us that you expect future generations to want to read this web site in order to find out about some journey of yours to wisdom. That is a belief that you hold about the future and your role in it. You can fool yourself that it is something else if you like, a prophecy or whatever, but that only adds an extra belief, in prophesy or whatever, to your burden.

These are simple facts of language and whatever explanation you have for your extravagant delusion will of course amount to nothing but inept sophistry.

[uwot]

The "expanding Universe" idea, or BELIEF, by some, is STILL ONLY just a HYPOTHESIS, and as such it can BE FALSIFIED.

Well done Age, after several years, it's beginning to sink in.

So, if that HYPOTHESIS IS FALSIFIED, then there OBVIOUSLY NEVER was ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE for the CLAIM.

No Age. The red shift observations have been made - the red shift is the PROVED FACT. As you have finally realised, the expanding universe is the hypothesis; as such it has always been subject to falsification and always will be. The explanation might change, but the red shift measurements that have been made will remain.

Whatever your theory is Age, it has to account for red shift, because if it can't explain a PROVED FACT, it can't explain anything.

ALREADY DONE. My CLAIM, unlike yours, accounts for BOTH red AND blue shift

As I have ALREADY SAID I have a MUCH BETTER EXPLANATION. You, however, just BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that I do NOT. So, you have NOT YET been prepared, for my CLAIM.

Again no. I am open to the possibility that you have a much better explanation, but if you won't tell me what it is, I have no reason to believe you.

[Age]

I'm telling you that all your talk of not having any beliefs is nonsense, and what you are expressing there is itself just a belief.

Okay. So, "flashdangerpants" BELIEVES WHOLEHEARTEDLY that what it is saying here is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

You have been doing that thing about as-it-was-written-at-this-time or whatever because of a belief you hold about the future, where you believe your ideas will be very important. You are mistaken in your belief that you do not do belief.

And, there could NOT be ABSOLUTELY ANY POSSIBILITY, in the WHOLE Universe, AT ALL, that you could POSSIBLY be WRONG in ANY way AT ALL, either, correct?

You have aready told us that you expect future generations to want to read this web site in order to find out about some journey of yours to wisdom.That is a belief that you hold about the future and your role in it.

If you BELIEVE that this is true, then this MUST BE ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

You can fool yourself that it is something else if you like, a prophecy or whatever, but that only adds an extra belief, in prophesy or whatever, to your burden.

So, if ANY thing is thought, to you, then it HAS TO BE BELIEVED, or BE A BELIEF, correct?

Also, can 'you' fool "yourself" as well as 'me'?

These are simple facts of language and whatever explanation you have for your extravagant delusion will of course amount to nothing but inept sophistry.

Again, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, then it MUST BE IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

And, could 'you' be fooling "yourself" here? Or, is this NOT even a possibility, in 'your world'?

[FlashDangerpants]

Okay. So, "flashdangerpants" BELIEVES WHOLEHEARTEDLY that what it is saying here is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?



And, there could NOT be ABSOLUTELY ANY POSSIBILITY, in the WHOLE Universe, AT ALL, that you could POSSIBLY be WRONG in ANY way AT ALL, either, correct?

You have aready told us that you expect future generations to want to read this web site in order to find out about some journey of yours to wisdom.That is a belief that you hold about the future and your role in it.

If you BELIEVE that this is true, then this MUST BE ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

You can fool yourself that it is something else if you like, a prophecy or whatever, but that only adds an extra belief, in prophesy or whatever, to your burden.

So, if ANY thing is thought, to you, then it HAS TO BE BELIEVED, or BE A BELIEF, correct?

Also, can 'you' fool "yourself" as well as 'me'?

These are simple facts of language and whatever explanation you have for your extravagant delusion will of course amount to nothing but inept sophistry.

Again, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, then it MUST BE IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

And, could 'you' be fooling "yourself" here? Or, is this NOT even a possibility, in 'your world'?

It's sort of the point of beliefs that they aren't IrREfUTaBLY tRUe, so whatever argument you are trying to make there is guaranteed to fail.

It is true by virtue of simple logical necessity that if you expect future generations to want to read this web site in order to find out about some journey of yours to wisdom, then that is at least one belief that you hold about the desires of future persons. You have written of such an expectation. Therefore you hold the belief that it expresses.

[Age]

The "expanding Universe" idea, or BELIEF, by some, is STILL ONLY just a HYPOTHESIS, and as such it can BE FALSIFIED.

Well done Age, after several years, it's beginning to sink in.

So, if that HYPOTHESIS IS FALSIFIED, then there OBVIOUSLY NEVER was ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE for the CLAIM.

No Age. The red shift observations have been made - the red shift is the PROVED FACT. As you have finally realised, the expanding universe is the hypothesis; as such it has always been subject to falsification and always will be. The explanation might change, but the red shift measurements that have been made will remain.

Whatever your theory is Age, it has to account for red shift, because if it can't explain a PROVED FACT, it can't explain anything.

ALREADY DONE. My CLAIM, unlike yours, accounts for BOTH red AND blue shift

As I have ALREADY SAID I have a MUCH BETTER EXPLANATION. You, however, just BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that I do NOT. So, you have NOT YET been prepared, for my CLAIM.

Again no. I am open to the possibility that you have a much better explanation, but if you won't tell me what it is, I have no reason to believe you.

And I have ALREADY INFORMED you that if you are just going to CHANGE from one BELiEF to ANOTHER BELIEF, then you are NOT YET ready, and NOT one that I am looking for anyway.

Your continual False CLAIMS and attempts at ridicule also SHOW and PROVE that you have NOT YET been FULLY prepared and thus again NOT ready YET either?

I have also been telling you that the red shift data is ACTUALLY evidence for the HYPOTHESIS only, but that the CLAIM that it is evidence that the Universe is expanding is only one INTERPRETATION, which is False, Wrong, Incorrect, and that there is a much better explanation. Which is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct.

[Age]

You have aready told us that you expect future generations to want to read this web site in order to find out about some journey of yours to wisdom.That is a belief that you hold about the future and your role in it.

If you BELIEVE that this is true, then this MUST BE ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

You can fool yourself that it is something else if you like, a prophecy or whatever, but that only adds an extra belief, in prophesy or whatever, to your burden.

So, if ANY thing is thought, to you, then it HAS TO BE BELIEVED, or BE A BELIEF, correct?

Also, can 'you' fool "yourself" as well as 'me'?

These are simple facts of language and whatever explanation you have for your extravagant delusion will of course amount to nothing but inept sophistry.

Again, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, then it MUST BE IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

And, could 'you' be fooling "yourself" here? Or, is this NOT even a possibility, in 'your world'?

It's sort of the point of beliefs that they aren't IrREfUTaBLY tRUe, so whatever argument you are trying to make there is guaranteed to fail.

LOL So the point of the BELIEFS that 'you', human beings, have, HOLD ONTO, and MAINTAIN is, now, supposedly, that what is being BELIEVED is NOT irrefutably true, anyway.

Therefore, the OBVIOUS question now is, WHY BELIEVE some thing that is NOT irrefutably true anyway?

It is true by virtue of simple logical necessity that if you expect future generations to want to read this web site in order to find out about some journey of yours to wisdom, then that is at least one belief that you hold about the desires of future persons.

Is this one of these things that you BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY IS TRUE, but which can be just REFUTED anyway?

You have written of such an expectation. Therefore you hold the belief that it expresses.

If you say and BELiEVE SO, then it MUST BE SO, correct?

Also noticed, ONCE MORE, is your continual REFUSAL to answer ANY clarifying questions posed to you, but you do continue to coninually TELL us what you BELIEVE is the ACTUAL truth of things.

[FlashDangerpants]

If you BELIEVE that this is true, then this MUST BE ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?


So, if ANY thing is thought, to you, then it HAS TO BE BELIEVED, or BE A BELIEF, correct?

Also, can 'you' fool "yourself" as well as 'me'?



Again, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, then it MUST BE IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

And, could 'you' be fooling "yourself" here? Or, is this NOT even a possibility, in 'your world'?

It's sort of the point of beliefs that they aren't IrREfUTaBLY tRUe, so whatever argument you are trying to make there is guaranteed to fail.

LOL So the point of the BELIEFS that 'you', human beings, have, HOLD ONTO, and MAINTAIN is, now, supposedly, that what is being BELIEVED is NOT irrefutably true, anyway.

Therefore, the OBVIOUS question now is, WHY BELIEVE some thing that is NOT irrefutably true anyway?

It is true by virtue of simple logical necessity that if you expect future generations to want to read this web site in order to find out about some journey of yours to wisdom, then that is at least one belief that you hold about the desires of future persons.

Is this one of these things that you BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY IS TRUE, but which can be just REFUTED anyway?

You have written of such an expectation. Therefore you hold the belief that it expresses.

If you say and BELiEVE SO, then it MUST BE SO, correct?

Also noticed, ONCE MORE, is your continual REFUSAL to answer ANY clarifying questions posed to you, but you do continue to coninually TELL us what you BELIEVE is the ACTUAL truth of things.

Are you not a human being too?

Irrefutable truths aren't beliefs, they are knowledge. That's not a statement of belief, it's just a fact derived from the meaning of the words.

Are you denying that you believe that future generations will want to read this site to find out more about you and your ideas?

What do you think (and believe) it even means when you do that "If you say and BELiEVE SO, then it MUST BE SO" thing? Because it means fuck all to anyone else.

[uwot]

And I have ALREADY INFORMED you that if you are just going to CHANGE from one BELiEF to ANOTHER BELIEF, then you are NOT YET ready, and NOT one that I am looking for anyway.

I'm not crazy about the word 'belief' myself. For some people it means believing things for which there is no evidence; things like 'god exists' or 'the US 2020 election was stolen'. Since people who believe such things do so without evidence, they are impervious to evidence to the contrary and will not changed their beliefs without surgery. People who do not have shit for brains will believe things based on the best available evidence. The best available evidence strongly supports the hypothesis that the universe is expanding. I have not heard a better explanation, and until I do, I will tentatively believe that the universe is in fact expanding.

Your continual False CLAIMS and attempts at ridicule also SHOW and PROVE that you have NOT YET been FULLY prepared and thus again NOT ready YET either?

What false claims would that be Age? The ridicule is inevitable, you are perpetually ridiculous, for instance your complaint that I have not yet been fully prepared should be interpreted as your weakness as a preparer.

I have also been telling you that the red shift data is ACTUALLY evidence for the HYPOTHESIS only, but that the CLAIM that it is evidence that the Universe is expanding is only one INTERPRETATION, which is False, Wrong, Incorrect, and that there is a much better explanation. Which is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct.

Yes Age, I have been telling you in return that the red shift data is ACTUALLY evidence for the HYPOTHESIS only; that is not in dispute. I fully accept that my interpretation may be false, wrong and incorrect, and that there maybe a much better explanation which is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct, but I have only your word that you know what it is. You keep telling me not to believe things. Why should I believe you?