Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight Part 2

[Immanuel Can]

Stories about lying and truth are still within a story. A story about lying, or a story about telling the truth, it's still a story.

We're not talking about "stories about lying." We're talking about lying itself, and about truth itself.

[Dontaskme]

Stories about lying and truth are still within a story. A story about lying, or a story about telling the truth, it's still a story.

We're not talking about "stories about lying." We're talking about lying itself, and about truth itself.

Talking about any concept, is a knowledge known, which is a story.

[Immanuel Can]

Talking about any concept, is a knowledge known, which is a story.

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[Dontaskme]

Is the person who knows God therefore, knows the truth...allowed to explain what that truth is to another person?

Well, Jesus did. So I'd say so.

This is the truth that Jesus told another.

Jesus Comforts Martha and Mary
Martha replied, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?

But don't you see, that this is what nonduality means, it means there's just life living itself - and that life does not die because life is not born. And that any apparent birth or death, is just belief within the mind..the mind is the story of I ..it's an imposter upon the unknowable, it's a knowledge pointing to the illusory nature of reality. Without my story, where the heck do I happen?

The Jesus quote is saying....that which lives never dies, and that which dies never lives.

[Dontaskme]

Talking about any concept, is a knowledge known, which is a story.

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A concept is known by the only knowing there is...the knowing is never seen, only known.

IC...Have you ever SEEN with your bare eyeballs ''knowing'' ?

[Immanuel Can]

"...everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

The Jesus quote is saying....that which lives never dies, and that which dies never lives.

No, actually. It's saying exactly what it says: that "everyone who believes" in Christ will "never die." But this implies another category: those that "do not believe."

What happens to them? It must be the opposite.

[Immanuel Can]

Talking about any concept, is a knowledge known, which is a story.

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A concept is known by the only knowing there is...the knowing is never seen, only known.

IC...Have you ever SEEN with your bare eyeballs ''knowing'' ?

Again,

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[Dontaskme]

"...everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

The Jesus quote is saying....that which lives never dies, and that which dies never lives.

No, actually. It's saying exactly what it says: that "everyone who believes" in Christ will "never die." But this implies another category: those that "do not believe."

What happens to them? It must be the opposite.

Jesus Christ was a man. He told a story...His-story.

I am a woman, I can tell stories too. I can say to you, everyone who believes in me will ''never die''

Who's going to believe me?

[Dontaskme]

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A concept is known by the only knowing there is...the knowing is never seen, only known.

IC...Have you ever SEEN with your bare eyeballs ''knowing'' ?

Again,

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The questioner has never been seen, it's only known.

Seeing cannot see itself. There is only seeing. Knowing cannot know itself. There is only knowing.

Seeing is only seen in the knowing. And the knowing is only seen in the known.

And that which is KNOWN ...know nothing, simply because all knowledge points to the illusory nature of reality. The illusion is real only when there is a believer, which is another concept known...but has never been seen.

[Dontaskme]

If God is a good and just God. Then God is also the opposite.

God is just another word for nature. Nature is vicious and cruel. Any reverence for nature as being just a Just Good Loving Godly creation is not telling the whole truth because nature is HORRIBLE and has the ethics of a serial killer.

Just observing nature is self-evident that it loves agony, torture, and never ending, useless bloodshed. It's parasitical in a symbiotic way, an endless cycle of life feeding upon itself in the most horrific and undignified way. I wouldn't subject my worse enemy to this blood thirsty gladiator war. Where the only heaven seems to be a visit to grandma's house. God has rigged the game against most of it's own creation. It's not just human life that suffers, animal life has it even worse. Life is indeed a game of survival, no rules, no referees. All pain and suffering and then you die. All accumulated knowledge gone. Just gone.

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[Immanuel Can]

Jesus Christ was a man.

Well, in a sense, yeah. But if that's all He is to you, then you don't know Him.

I can say to you, everyone who believes in me will ''never die''

Let's see if you can deliver on that.

First question: are you God? Second: what have you done to validate your claim? Third: who gave you that ability and right?

[Immanuel Can]

If God is a good and just God. Then God is also the opposite.

Nope. Not logical.

God is just another word for nature.

Nope. Not true.

[Dontaskme]

Jesus Christ was a man.

Well, in a sense, yeah. But if that's all He is to you, then you don't know Him.

I can say to you, everyone who believes in me will ''never die''

Let's see if you can deliver on that.

First question: are you God? Second: what have you done to validate your claim? Third: who gave you that ability and right?

During his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God, and ... none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God.

IC...you are not saying anything new or different that the nondualists haven't already figured out around about the same time the Bible was written.

No one to claim God's existence, because there is only God.

[Dontaskme]

If God is a good and just God. Then God is also the opposite.

Nope. Not logical.

Well it is logical because what besides logic should make a decision or a definition about something.

Good couldn 't be known without it's opposite. Knowledge only pertains to the realm of duality where opposites compliment each other.

[Immanuel Can]

During his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God...

John 14:9, John 8:58, John 5:18, Matthew 16:6, Matthew 26: 63-66...I can give you a ton more. Yes, He did.