the limits of fascism

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Advocate wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:55 pm I've had and/or seen all the same experiences under capitalism.
Because there's no fucking difference! It's all just narratives exploited for political gain and social favour.

The USA would call itself communist tomorrow if it was profitable.
They'd call Cuba and Venezuela Capitalist if it suited the political agenda.

All grand, over-arching narratives are a scam.
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Like I can watch Netflix and YouTube or any online streaming service instead of the BBC?

Accordin' to Till, if you own a tv, you must pay the BBC. Doesn't matter what you watch on it. Just ownin' a tv means you pay.


Then don't buy a TV? Buy a big screen without a tuner. Buy a projector. Disconnect yourself from the BBC.

Sounds nice, but as I understand it, ownin' any device used for viewin' live tv (broadcast, cable or streaming) means you gotta pay the BBC.


How is this monopoly any different to the contractual obligations you enforce upon your customers once they benefit from your product?

They won't benefit without contractin' with me...if they agree to terms, they sensibly can't protest after the fact.

Also, as I say, I'm not the only researcher in town...I have no monopoly on research.


Yeah. Theft. You promised me X. You took my money. Then you delivered Y.

I had no fucking say in the matter. Thief.


The contract is as binding on me as you. If either of us fails to meet our specified obligations, we can go to court.
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The USA would call itself communist tomorrow if it was profitable.

The powers that be absolutely would. Right now they're content to call us a democracy, when, in fact, we're not.

If declarin' us commie would benefit them, they would.
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henry quirk wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:04 pm The USA would call itself communist tomorrow if it was profitable.

The powers that be absolutely would. Right now they're content to call us a democracy, when, in fact, we're not.

If declarin' us commie would benefit them, they would.
The point is that you don't actually know WHAT you are.

Because all labels/descriptions are over-simplifications of how the damn system actually works.
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[quote="henry quirk" post_id=502289 time=1615741493 user_id=472]
[b]The USA would call itself communist tomorrow if it was profitable.[/b]

The powers that be absolutely would. Right now they're content to call us a democracy, when, in fact, we're not.

If declarin' us commie would benefit them, they would.
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The point is that you don't actually know WHAT you are.

Because all labels/descriptions are over-simplifications of how the damn system actually works.
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"works"
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:37 pm
tillingborn wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:30 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:21 pmMaybe I picked it up from Andrew Cuomo. :lol:
Why did you wait until Cuomo was accused of being a sexual predator to agree with him?
I didn't. I was way more aware of it than he was willing to admit he was, long before he was.
I did a search and the first time you mention 'cancel culture' was four days ago on 10/3/21. You clearly became aware of it the same time most other people did, which was when Fox News decided it didn't want to report news anymore. Now, like the well trained poodle you are, you are obeying the latest orders. Your mind is so pliant that even I can tell you exactly what you are going to do and you are powerless to do otherwise:
tillingborn wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:30 amYou are completely immersed in a right wing echo chamber that cancels anything it doesn't like - you are doing it right now - that little brain of yours is putting the lid on the previous paragraph and intends to carry on as if it never happened.
You have to wake up and take control of your own thoughts.
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Advocate wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:20 pm "works"
I am using it descriptively. How it functions/operates. How all the pieces fit together/interact.

The default view for any systems engineer is that systems in general work poorly or not at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics#Background
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henry quirk wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:10 pmDoes your state pension work as well as our social security does?
I'm sure there are winners and losers in both systems, so which works better depends on who for? Nobody here goes bankrupt because of medical bills, which is a right you still enjoy in the States. The state pension is pretty basic, so if you want gold toilet seats in your dotage, you will have to put a bit extra aside.
henry quirk wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:10 pmYour options for avoiding paying are to earn less than the threshold, or so much that your bank is in the Cayman Islands.

That's your legal option, yeah.
Yeah, there's all sorts of ways that resourceful or unscrupulous people can buck the system, and the chances of being imprisoned here are way less than in America. We don't have private prisons, so there's no particular appetite for cheap labour in prison sweat shops. It's swings and roundabouts; I know as many Americans living in the UK as I know Brits in the US and everyone seems happy where they are.
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Skepdick wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:44 pm I was born and grew up in a Socialist country. Lost family members, property and much wealth to the regime. Understood the pathologies in the system. Stood in bread and petrol lines and collected my food stamps. Studied on candle light because there was no electricity at -20 temperatures.

So I guess I do know? :)
Which country?
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tillingborn wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:21 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:37 pm
tillingborn wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:30 am Why did you wait until Cuomo was accused of being a sexual predator to agree with him?
I didn't. I was way more aware of it than he was willing to admit he was, long before he was.
I did a search and the first time you mention 'cancel culture' was four days ago on 10/3/21.
You're so funny! :D You think that the first time I mentioned it is the first time I knew about it? How did I manage to mention it, if I didn't already know about it? That doesn't even add up.

Are you arguing that you don't think "cancel culture" is a thing?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:45 pm Which country?
Does it matter? You got caught with your pants down flinging poop.
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Skepdick wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:47 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:45 pm Which country?
Does it matter?
Yep. I want to see how credible your claim is. If it's credible, I'll take you at your word...
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:48 pm Yep. I want to see how credible your claim is. If it's credible, I'll take you at your word...
It's more credible than yours. That should be sufficient.
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Skepdick wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:49 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:48 pm Yep. I want to see how credible your claim is. If it's credible, I'll take you at your word...
It's more credible than yours. That should be sufficient.
Oh. No answer, then. Just evasion.

You lied. I might have expected that.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:52 pm Oh. No answer, then. Just evasion.

You lied. I might have expected that.
It's not a lie, but you are just a trash human being looking for an attack vector and you deserve no additional disclosure ;)
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