Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:56 pm
Not at all. I point to Socialism's actual record...100% failure and disaster.
It's pretty easy to make up those stats when anything that fails is classified as "socialism" and anything that succeeds is classified as "not socialism".
The inherently bad version of socialism you're attacking is not mine nor accepted by any self-claimed socialist i've ever met. So i find no need for a defense against your contentions.
...and...
It's pretty easy to make up those stats when anything that fails is classified as "socialism" and anything that succeeds is classified as "not socialism".
All this is easy to check: define socialism then point to a successful implementation of it.
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[b]The inherently bad version of socialism you're attacking is not mine nor accepted by any self-claimed socialist i've ever met. So i find no need for a defense against your contentions.[/b]
...and...
[b]It's pretty easy to make up those stats when anything that fails is classified as "socialism" and anything that succeeds is classified as "not socialism".[/b]
All this is easy to check: define socialism then point to a successful implementation of it.
Skep, Advocate?
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Most successful household are socialist by my definition, simply meaning to prevent anyone's special interests from interfering with anyone else's basic needs. And i believe that to be compatible with the most common modern understandings.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:03 pmThe inherently bad version of socialism you're attacking is not mine nor accepted by any self-claimed socialist i've ever met. So i find no need for a defense against your contentions.
...and...
It's pretty easy to make up those stats when anything that fails is classified as "socialism" and anything that succeeds is classified as "not socialism".
All this is easy to check: define socialism then point to a successful implementation of it.
Skep, Advocate?
Most successful household are socialist by my definition, simply meaning *to prevent anyone's special interests from interfering with anyone else's basic needs. And i believe that to be compatible with the most common modern understandings.
*In other words: everybody eats, has a bed, etc.
Can't see how the lovin' family translates into an economic theory.
Also not seein' any large scale (national) examples of success of such a model.
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Not at all. I point to Socialism's[i] actual record[/i]...100% failure and disaster.
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It's pretty easy to make up those stats...
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If you think that, prove me wrong. Name the place where Socialism did anything else.
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Venezuela, prior to interference. Cuba, prior to interference. Get the picture?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:20 pm
It's pretty easy to make up those stats...
If you think that, prove me wrong. Name the place where Socialism did anything else.
Venezuela, prior to interference. Cuba, prior to interference. Get the picture?
Heh. Seriously?
The place where they're so starving they eat their zoo animals, the place where billions in oil reserves found their way not into the good of the people but into the bank accounts of a dictator, and the place where the government burns food relief trucks? That place?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:24 pm
If you think that, prove me wrong. Name the place where Socialism did anything else.
Translation: any valid counter-example will be summarily dismissed.
Valid? You know nothing! Have you been to either of those places, chum? Do you know the first thing about either?
Give me one example that has any data behind it at all. Just dropping the name of a wretched, corrupt Socialist country does not constitute any kind of proof.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:24 pm
If you think that, prove me wrong. Name the place where Socialism did anything else.
Venezuela, prior to interference. Cuba, prior to interference. Get the picture?
What interference?
He's going to tell you there's a capitalist conspiracy to keep all Socialist places from working...probably Trump did it...or Reagan...or the Tooth Fairy. And the reason the Socialists can't get anything right is because mean, conspiratorial capitalists are sabotaging their economic Disneyland. If they didn't, one of them would have worked.
Venezuela, prior to interference. Cuba, prior to interference. Get the picture?
What interference?
He's going to tell you there's a capitalist conspiracy to keep all Socialist places from working...probably Trump did it...or Reagan...or the Tooth Fairy. And the reason the Socialists can't get anything right is because mean, conspiratorial capitalists are sabotaging their economic Disneyland. If they didn't, one of them would have worked.
Watch for it. That's the next move.
He'll have to be more specific than that.
Names, events, numbers, sumthin' I verify for myself.
Seriously? 